NBA Scouts & SJU

Williams has really played as a SF in HS a lot v mediocre opposition. His limited contribution in year 1 would be on the defensive end. He is also working on his handle, so I suspect he won’t be put in position of bringing ball up much. In BE play, net of some guard injuries, he would only see a few minutes a game imo. He could get more time v lesser out of conference teams, but this should be a learning year for him, with some very good tutors in Simon, Ponds, Heron, Figgy, etc. Nothing wrong with that.

He strikes me as a mature kid who will understand the situation and work hard to prepare for more time next season.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=298362]
Show me a college team that sat its far and away best 3 players 15 minutes a game. If you guys insist on 10 guys playing, the "other" 7 guys not named Ponds, Heron & Simon can split up the 100 minutes leftover. Our big 3 will play a combined 100.[/quote]

You are right in that I think Ponds will end up playing over 30 but I don't think those 3 will average 100 combined. 80-85 would be ideal. For me though I think the issues we had playing SO MANY games close and then losing was a direct result of fatigue. Not just game fatigue but season fatigue. I'd love to turn that around and have those three guys totally fresh to close out each game.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=298364][quote="we are sju" post=298362]
Show me a college team that sat its far and away best 3 players 15 minutes a game. If you guys insist on 10 guys playing, the "other" 7 guys not named Ponds, Heron & Simon can split up the 100 minutes leftover. Our big 3 will play a combined 100.[/quote]

You are right in that I think Ponds will end up playing over 30 but I don't think those 3 will average 100 combined. 80-85 would be ideal. For me though I think the issues we had playing SO MANY games close and then losing was a direct result of fatigue. Not just game fatigue but season fatigue. I'd love to turn that around and have those three guys totally fresh to close out each game.[/quote]

I am a huge proponent of solid 8 man rotation with 9th man playing occasionally. I think subbing guys in and out takes guys out of rhythm. I also believe best players are going to play big minutes.
Like I said the other guys might play fluctuating minutes but I would bet once we reach BE games it will be closer to 100 for the 3 main guys and rotation gets cut to 8 or 9.
 
Coming up with a season average min per game is a misleading stat because this year SJU is playing an unbalanced schedule.
Ponds , Simon and Heron will probably play 32 min a game vs big east teams , Duke and a couple of other decent teams and drop to 28 or less vs many of the remaining schedule
 
[quote="Enright" post=298366]Coming up with a season average min per game is a misleading stat because this year SJU is playing an unbalanced schedule.
Ponds , Simon and Heron will probably play 32 min a game vs big east teams , Duke and a couple of other decent teams and drop to 28 or less vs many of the remaining schedule[/quote]

Oh you are assuming we are blowing out our OOC opponents. New to the program?;)
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=298364][quote="we are sju" post=298362]
Show me a college team that sat its far and away best 3 players 15 minutes a game. If you guys insist on 10 guys playing, the "other" 7 guys not named Ponds, Heron & Simon can split up the 100 minutes leftover. Our big 3 will play a combined 100.[/quote]

You are right in that I think Ponds will end up playing over 30 but I don't think those 3 will average 100 combined. 80-85 would be ideal. For me though I think the issues we had playing SO MANY games close and then losing was a direct result of fatigue. Not just game fatigue but season fatigue. I'd love to turn that around and have those three guys totally fresh to close out each game.[/quote]

Yes, key is to keep our key guys fresh in games and through the season.
I'm noodling with 30 mpg for our top 3, 25 each for Clark and Figgy, 20 each for Dixon and Keita, and 20 mpg for the bench.
Obviously game dynamics and the foul totals of key players will vary.
But key is to keep guys fresh and use our rare gift of depth.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=298363]Williams has really played as a SF in HS a lot v mediocre opposition. His limited contribution in year 1 would be on the defensive end. He is also working on his handle, so I suspect he won’t be put in position of bringing ball up much. In BE play, net of some guard injuries, he would only see a few minutes a game imo. He could get more time v lesser out of conference teams, but this should be a learning year for him, with some very good tutors in Simon, Ponds, Heron, Figgy, etc. Nothing wrong with that.

He strikes me as a mature kid who will understand the situation and work hard to prepare for more time next season.[/quote]

It's a shame that he really didn't grow to 6'6" like that video interview claimed. He would have been playing relief minutes at all three frontcourt positions for us this season.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=298365][
I am a huge proponent of solid 8 man rotation with 9th man playing occasionally. I think subbing guys in and out takes guys out of rhythm. I also believe best players are going to play big minutes.
Like I said the other guys might play fluctuating minutes but I would bet once we reach BE games it will be closer to 100 for the 3 main guys and rotation gets cut to 8 or 9.[/quote]

Hard to not see Ponds, Heron and Simon playing as much as they could handle in the Duke game (the Barrett hype is already out of control and the Zion hype is catching up), Villanova and maybe some Big East games where matchups are an issue even if our roster was legitimately 10 deep. the more time the new guys get before Big East the better for this year and the future. Ironman minutes also increase the likelihood of injury.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=298372][quote="we are sju" post=298365][
I am a huge proponent of solid 8 man rotation with 9th man playing occasionally. I think subbing guys in and out takes guys out of rhythm. I also believe best players are going to play big minutes.
Like I said the other guys might play fluctuating minutes but I would bet once we reach BE games it will be closer to 100 for the 3 main guys and rotation gets cut to 8 or 9.[/quote]

Hard to not see Ponds, Heron and Simon playing as much as they could handle in the Duke game (the Barrett hype is already out of control and the Zion hype is catching up), Villanova and maybe some Big East games where matchups are an issue even if our roster was legitimately 10 deep. the more time the new guys get before Big East the better for this year and the future. Ironman minutes also increase the likelihood of injury.[/quote]

Oh still shocked Heron eligible so I fully expect Ponds, Simon or Heron to decide to sit out half way through season, get abducted by Aliens or contract whatever ailment turned Yakwe into a Zombie.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=298365][quote="Paul Massell" post=298364][quote="we are sju" post=298362]
Show me a college team that sat its far and away best 3 players 15 minutes a game. If you guys insist on 10 guys playing, the "other" 7 guys not named Ponds, Heron & Simon can split up the 100 minutes leftover. Our big 3 will play a combined 100.[/quote]

You are right in that I think Ponds will end up playing over 30 but I don't think those 3 will average 100 combined. 80-85 would be ideal. For me though I think the issues we had playing SO MANY games close and then losing was a direct result of fatigue. Not just game fatigue but season fatigue. I'd love to turn that around and have those three guys totally fresh to close out each game.[/quote]

I am a huge proponent of solid 8 man rotation with 9th man playing occasionally. I think subbing guys in and out takes guys out of rhythm. I also believe best players are going to play big minutes.
Like I said the other guys might play fluctuating minutes but I would bet once we reach BE games it will be closer to 100 for the 3 main guys and rotation gets cut to 8 or 9.[/quote]
Agree on 8 player rotation with occasional 9th guy subject to the situation. Staff will have their challenges managing the 8 man group let alone 10 imo.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=298373][quote="Paul Massell" post=298372][quote="we are sju" post=298365][
I am a huge proponent of solid 8 man rotation with 9th man playing occasionally. I think subbing guys in and out takes guys out of rhythm. I also believe best players are going to play big minutes.
Like I said the other guys might play fluctuating minutes but I would bet once we reach BE games it will be closer to 100 for the 3 main guys and rotation gets cut to 8 or 9.[/quote]

Hard to not see Ponds, Heron and Simon playing as much as they could handle in the Duke game (the Barrett hype is already out of control and the Zion hype is catching up), Villanova and maybe some Big East games where matchups are an issue even if our roster was legitimately 10 deep. the more time the new guys get before Big East the better for this year and the future. Ironman minutes also increase the likelihood of injury.[/quote]

Oh still shocked Heron eligible so I fully expect Ponds, Simon or Heron to decide to sit out half way through season, get abducted by Aliens or contract whatever ailment turned Yakwe into a Zombie.[/quote]

There you go again, '...sju'!
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=298374][quote="we are sju" post=298365][quote="Paul Massell" post=298364][quote="we are sju" post=298362]
Show me a college team that sat its far and away best 3 players 15 minutes a game. If you guys insist on 10 guys playing, the "other" 7 guys not named Ponds, Heron & Simon can split up the 100 minutes leftover. Our big 3 will play a combined 100.[/quote]

You are right in that I think Ponds will end up playing over 30 but I don't think those 3 will average 100 combined. 80-85 would be ideal. For me though I think the issues we had playing SO MANY games close and then losing was a direct result of fatigue. Not just game fatigue but season fatigue. I'd love to turn that around and have those three guys totally fresh to close out each game.[/quote]

I am a huge proponent of solid 8 man rotation with 9th man playing occasionally. I think subbing guys in and out takes guys out of rhythm. I also believe best players are going to play big minutes.
Like I said the other guys might play fluctuating minutes but I would bet once we reach BE games it will be closer to 100 for the 3 main guys and rotation gets cut to 8 or 9.[/quote]
Agree on 8 player rotation with occasional 9th guy subject to the situation. Staff will have their challenges managing the 8 man group let alone 10 imo.[/quote]

Two things on 10 man rotation besides the obvious.
1. What are the odds of people on here not complaining about Ponds and or Heron being on the bench when some team turns a 7 point deficit into a 3 point lead against us with those guys on the bench? Somehow I think all that 'keeping them fresh" stuff will fly out the window.

2. People have been complaining about Mullin not being a good coach and yet they want to increase the degree of difficulty by having him juggle 10 guys? That would be like teaching someone to drive on the autobahn.
Now I am not saying Mullin is a bad coach but he does have some things to prove. So I say go with the old tried and true KISS method.
 
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If we used Villanova 17-18 as a model the minutes breakdown would be:

1) Ponds 32 (Bridges)
2) Simon 32 (Brunson)
3) Heron 30 (Paschall)
4) Clark 29 (DiVencenzo)
5) Figueroa 28 (Spellman)
6) Dixon 27 (Booth)
7) Keita 15 (Gillespie)
8 ) Trimble 11 (Cosby-Roundtree)
9) Williams 6 (Samuels)
10) Roberts 2 (Delaney)

The Figueroa/Dixon/Keita numbers the most flexible since Spellman was their #5 in minutes
 
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=298379]If we used Villanova 17-18 as a model the minutes breakdown would be:

1) Ponds 32 (Bridges)
2) Simon 32 (Brunson)
3) Heron 30 (Paschall)
4) Clark 29 (DiVencenzo)
5) Figueroa 28 (Spellman)
6) Dixon 27 (Booth)
7) Keita 15 (Gillespie)
8 ) Trimble 11 (Cosby-Roundtree)
9) Williams 6 (Samuels)
10) Roberts 2 (Delaney)

The Figueroa/Dixon/Keita numbers the most flexible since Spellman was their #5 in minutes[/quote] I think the first 5 will be pretty close. I think Keita will end up getting 10 more approx
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=298380][quote="Paul Massell" post=298379]If we used Villanova 17-18 as a model the minutes breakdown would be:

1) Ponds 32 (Bridges)
2) Simon 32 (Brunson)
3) Heron 30 (Paschall)
4) Clark 29 (DiVencenzo)
5) Figueroa 28 (Spellman)
6) Dixon 27 (Booth)
7) Keita 15 (Gillespie)
8 ) Trimble 11 (Cosby-Roundtree)
9) Williams 6 (Samuels)
10) Roberts 2 (Delaney)

The Figueroa/Dixon/Keita numbers the most flexible since Spellman was their #5 in minutes[/quote] I think the first 5 will be pretty close. I think Keita will end up getting 10 more approx[/quote]

I'd be very happy with Keita getting 25. That means he's our big and he's not fouling out.
 
Agree about Keita. Should be able to give us 25 min w/o fouling out. We need his size.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=298387]Agree about Keita. Should be able to give us 25 min w/o fouling out. We need his size.[/quote]

Not just size. I think he’s being undersold. Apparently a good post defender andcan score inside. We will need him.
 
The idea that it is unusual to have 9 guys playing double digit minutes with success is just silly. Aside from Auburn, take a look at Providence and Xavier's stats, two of the more successful teams in the BE last year.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=298378][quote="Paultzman" post=298374][quote="we are sju" post=298365][quote="Paul Massell" post=298364][quote="we are sju" post=298362]
That would be like teaching someone to drive on the autobahn.
[/quote]

In Germany some of your driving lessons have to take place on the Autobahn B) Getting a license in European countries is a huge pain. Germany you have to take 12 lessons including city, highway and night driving.
 
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