N.Y. Daily News / Support For Lavin

[L J S A]

Make a list of the top mid major school. Yes that includes: N Iowa coach, wishita st. coach, Shaka Smart, Donovan (if he wants out at uf.). Don't give me on they aren't coming, I don't want to hear it.
One of them just might surprise, then maybe we'll be in good shape. Will it hurt to just pick up the phone and make that call.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/99081/what-would-it-take-gregg-marshall

"In their interview this week, Dana went ahead and asked Marshall the very question this series poses. What would it take for him to leave?

"I don’t know," Marshall told ESPN.com this week. "But I’m very happy here. It would take something really big."

Possibilities: Something really big."

Like I said, how bad do you want to be on top.

Do you think of how it used to be a long 30 years ago with mullin and berry there, do you think of how it was in the late 90s when we were back for couple years. Remember hearing the "WE ARE ST. JOHN'S" chants in the Maryland and Indiana NCAA games, and how proud you felt.
Do you think of those moments and tear because you miss those moments and want them moments again in the worst f'ing way that you're willing to do WHATEVER IT TAKES.
Well that's me and I say do whatever it takes.

I believe Marshall would make SJU a hit within 3 years, and all the SJU fans that gave up years ago would be back, and msg would have to open the 200s because every game would be sellouts with 80%-85% SJU fans, and we'd hear the WE ARE ST. JOHN'S chants again.

I love SJU to much to believe that we're just now another mid major that could never be on top again. It just takes that one coach, and we'd be backin a huge way.

I don't think Marshall would even pick up a call from us for under $4 million to $5 million per, and I think if the donors were spending that much to begin with they'd look at different names first.

 

[redfan259999888]

Make a list of the top mid major school. Yes that includes: N Iowa coach, wishita st. coach, Shaka Smart, Donovan (if he wants out at uf.). Don't give me on they aren't coming, I don't want to hear it.
One of them just might surprise, then maybe we'll be in good shape. Will it hurt to just pick up the phone and make that call.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/99081/what-would-it-take-gregg-marshall

"In their interview this week, Dana went ahead and asked Marshall the very question this series poses. What would it take for him to leave?

"I don’t know," Marshall told ESPN.com this week. "But I’m very happy here. It would take something really big."

Possibilities: Something really big."

Like I said, how bad do you want to be on top.

Do you think of how it used to be a long 30 years ago with mullin and berry there, do you think of how it was in the late 90s when we were back for couple years. Remember hearing the "WE ARE ST. JOHN'S" chants in the Maryland and Indiana NCAA games, and how proud you felt.
Do you think of those moments and tear because you miss those moments and want them moments again in the worst f'ing way that you're willing to do WHATEVER IT TAKES.
Well that's me and I say do whatever it takes.

I believe Marshall would make SJU a hit within 3 years, and all the SJU fans that gave up years ago would be back, and msg would have to open the 200s because every game would be sellouts with 80%-85% SJU fans, and we'd hear the WE ARE ST. JOHN'S chants again.

I love SJU to much to believe that we're just now another mid major that could never be on top again. It just takes that one coach, and we'd be backin a huge way.

I don't think Marshall would even pick up a call from us for under $4 million to $5 million per, and I think if the donors were spending that much to begin with they'd look at different names first.

I think the school should match what the donors put up. If the donors put up 2million then the school should also. That right there would be 4 million. I think 4million per year would get a top notch coaches attention. He's pick his staff, and we'd compete with Duke and Kentucky.
That's right I said it.
The right coach would go blow for blow with the top dogs.

Butler went to back to back Finals, even though they lost both (UConn and Duke.), so it could be done.

 

[beast of the east]

Make a list of the top mid major school. Yes that includes: N Iowa coach, wishita st. coach, Shaka Smart, Donovan (if he wants out at uf.). Don't give me on they aren't coming, I don't want to hear it.
One of them just might surprise, then maybe we'll be in good shape. Will it hurt to just pick up the phone and make that call.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/99081/what-would-it-take-gregg-marshall

"In their interview this week, Dana went ahead and asked Marshall the very question this series poses. What would it take for him to leave?

"I don’t know," Marshall told ESPN.com this week. "But I’m very happy here. It would take something really big."

Possibilities: Something really big."

Like I said, how bad do you want to be on top.

Do you think of how it used to be a long 30 years ago with mullin and berry there, do you think of how it was in the late 90s when we were back for couple years. Remember hearing the "WE ARE ST. JOHN'S" chants in the Maryland and Indiana NCAA games, and how proud you felt.
Do you think of those moments and tear because you miss those moments and want them moments again in the worst f'ing way that you're willing to do WHATEVER IT TAKES.
Well that's me and I say do whatever it takes.

I believe Marshall would make SJU a hit within 3 years, and all the SJU fans that gave up years ago would be back, and msg would have to open the 200s because every game would be sellouts with 80%-85% SJU fans, and we'd hear the WE ARE ST. JOHN'S chants again.

I love SJU to much to believe that we're just now another mid major that could never be on top again. It just takes that one coach, and we'd be backin a huge way.

I don't think Marshall would even pick up a call from us for under $4 million to $5 million per, and I think if the donors were spending that much to begin with they'd look at different names first.

I think the school should match what the donors put up. If the donors put up 2million then the school should also. That right there would be 4 million. I think 4million per year would get a top notch coaches attention. He's pick his staff, and we'd compete with Duke and Kentucky.
That's right I said it.
The right coach would go blow for blow with the top dogs.

Butler went to back to back Finals, even though they lost both (UConn and Duke.), so it could be done.

I think the problem with your logic exists with all fans who follow professional sports. You see astronomical salaries of mostly players and lose sight of the value and ROI of those salaries for professional franchises. A college coach's salary of $2 million per year is about what an NBA fringe player earns, a minimally successful MLB player, etc. Even at that, in baseball small market teams can't afford to pay the going rate, and have to layer in low priced players with a few stars who earn their keep with huge productivity.

Of the 21 college basketball coaches who earn at least $2 million and who took their teams to the NCAA tourney last season, only 2 (TWO!) were from private universities. Those two (Coach K and Jay Wright) have returned NCAA bids year in, year out.

Do you know how few donors we have at St. John's that have donated $1 million to the school? Paying a $2 million salary to Lavin is more than double what the school has paid any predecessor, and more that three times what Norm earned. Even then Lavin wasn't considered a sure thing given his exit from UCLA.

If you look at the "sure things" among current college coaches, many make less than $2 million, but have been attached to their schools for a long time (Boeheim $1.8 mm at Syracuse, Mark Few at $1.1 mm at Gonzaga, are examples). Even then, having built a solid winning program at one school doesn't guarantee success at the next stop. Only a tiny handful of guys (Pitino and Calipari types) have won at multiple big time programs.

As fans we are totally unrealistic that a Sean Miller would come to St. John's. At $2. 6 million, he's already way above what SJU can and would spend for a coach.

For all the talk about donors paying Lavin's salary, his 6 year cost for himself and staff is in the $15 million range. I'm unaware that donors have kicked in $7 mm of that. To think that this program has big backers that may exist at other schools is just false.

Finally, you can't look at the revenue produced by a single marquee sport and expect all of the revenue to go back into that sport to fund success. At SJU, only one sport generates significant revenue, and that revenue must be spread among the operating budget of all sports. It's just the reality of college athletics, and why private schools are being squeezed out of the picture.

 

[redfan259999888]

Make a list of the top mid major school. Yes that includes: N Iowa coach, wishita st. coach, Shaka Smart, Donovan (if he wants out at uf.). Don't give me on they aren't coming, I don't want to hear it.
One of them just might surprise, then maybe we'll be in good shape. Will it hurt to just pick up the phone and make that call.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/99081/what-would-it-take-gregg-marshall

"In their interview this week, Dana went ahead and asked Marshall the very question this series poses. What would it take for him to leave?

"I don’t know," Marshall told ESPN.com this week. "But I’m very happy here. It would take something really big."

Possibilities: Something really big."

Like I said, how bad do you want to be on top.

Do you think of how it used to be a long 30 years ago with mullin and berry there, do you think of how it was in the late 90s when we were back for couple years. Remember hearing the "WE ARE ST. JOHN'S" chants in the Maryland and Indiana NCAA games, and how proud you felt.
Do you think of those moments and tear because you miss those moments and want them moments again in the worst f'ing way that you're willing to do WHATEVER IT TAKES.
Well that's me and I say do whatever it takes.

I believe Marshall would make SJU a hit within 3 years, and all the SJU fans that gave up years ago would be back, and msg would have to open the 200s because every game would be sellouts with 80%-85% SJU fans, and we'd hear the WE ARE ST. JOHN'S chants again.

I love SJU to much to believe that we're just now another mid major that could never be on top again. It just takes that one coach, and we'd be backin a huge way.

I don't think Marshall would even pick up a call from us for under $4 million to $5 million per, and I think if the donors were spending that much to begin with they'd look at different names first.

I think the school should match what the donors put up. If the donors put up 2million then the school should also. That right there would be 4 million. I think 4million per year would get a top notch coaches attention. He's pick his staff, and we'd compete with Duke and Kentucky.
That's right I said it.
The right coach would go blow for blow with the top dogs.

Butler went to back to back Finals, even though they lost both (UConn and Duke.), so it could be done.

I think the problem with your logic exists with all fans who follow professional sports. You see astronomical salaries of mostly players and lose sight of the value and ROI of those salaries for professional franchises. A college coach's salary of $2 million per year is about what an NBA fringe player earns, a minimally successful MLB player, etc. Even at that, in baseball small market teams can't afford to pay the going rate, and have to layer in low priced players with a few stars who earn their keep with huge productivity.

Of the 21 college basketball coaches who earn at least $2 million and who took their teams to the NCAA tourney last season, only 2 (TWO!) were from private universities. Those two (Coach K and Jay Wright) have returned NCAA bids year in, year out.

Do you know how few donors we have at St. John's that have donated $1 million to the school? Paying a $2 million salary to Lavin is more than double what the school has paid any predecessor, and more that three times what Norm earned. Even then Lavin wasn't considered a sure thing given his exit from UCLA.

If you look at the "sure things" among current college coaches, many make less than $2 million, but have been attached to their schools for a long time (Boeheim $1.8 mm at Syracuse, Mark Few at $1.1 mm at Gonzaga, are examples). Even then, having built a solid winning program at one school doesn't guarantee success at the next stop. Only a tiny handful of guys (Pitino and Calipari types) have won at multiple big time programs.

As fans we are totally unrealistic that a Sean Miller would come to St. John's. At $2. 6 million, he's already way above what SJU can and would spend for a coach.

For all the talk about donors paying Lavin's salary, his 6 year cost for himself and staff is in the $15 million range. I'm unaware that donors have kicked in $7 mm of that. To think that this program has big backers that may exist at other schools is just false.

Finally, you can't look at the revenue produced by a single marquee sport and expect all of the revenue to go back into that sport to fund success. At SJU, only one sport generates significant revenue, and that revenue must be spread among the operating budget of all sports. It's just the reality of college athletics, and why private schools are being squeezed out of the picture.

Well if just two donors put up 1mill a year, and sju match them with 2million that's 4 right there per year for a top coach.
Then maybe a few other donors pays the staff salary???

I don't know, I'm just guessing here.

But there has to be something that can be done. What, say we get lucky with an assistant or something, and he's good. We'll lose him when a big school throws 3mill at him?

I'll give it one more coach before saying screw it, I guess we will never be big time again, and just accept being a little mid major school.

 

[beast of the east]

Make a list of the top mid major school. Yes that includes: N Iowa coach, wishita st. coach, Shaka Smart, Donovan (if he wants out at uf.). Don't give me on they aren't coming, I don't want to hear it.
One of them just might surprise, then maybe we'll be in good shape. Will it hurt to just pick up the phone and make that call.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/99081/what-would-it-take-gregg-marshall

"In their interview this week, Dana went ahead and asked Marshall the very question this series poses. What would it take for him to leave?

"I don’t know," Marshall told ESPN.com this week. "But I’m very happy here. It would take something really big."

Possibilities: Something really big."

Like I said, how bad do you want to be on top.

Do you think of how it used to be a long 30 years ago with mullin and berry there, do you think of how it was in the late 90s when we were back for couple years. Remember hearing the "WE ARE ST. JOHN'S" chants in the Maryland and Indiana NCAA games, and how proud you felt.
Do you think of those moments and tear because you miss those moments and want them moments again in the worst f'ing way that you're willing to do WHATEVER IT TAKES.
Well that's me and I say do whatever it takes.

I believe Marshall would make SJU a hit within 3 years, and all the SJU fans that gave up years ago would be back, and msg would have to open the 200s because every game would be sellouts with 80%-85% SJU fans, and we'd hear the WE ARE ST. JOHN'S chants again.

I love SJU to much to believe that we're just now another mid major that could never be on top again. It just takes that one coach, and we'd be backin a huge way.

I don't think Marshall would even pick up a call from us for under $4 million to $5 million per, and I think if the donors were spending that much to begin with they'd look at different names first.

I think the school should match what the donors put up. If the donors put up 2million then the school should also. That right there would be 4 million. I think 4million per year would get a top notch coaches attention. He's pick his staff, and we'd compete with Duke and Kentucky.
That's right I said it.
The right coach would go blow for blow with the top dogs.

Butler went to back to back Finals, even though they lost both (UConn and Duke.), so it could be done.

I think the problem with your logic exists with all fans who follow professional sports. You see astronomical salaries of mostly players and lose sight of the value and ROI of those salaries for professional franchises. A college coach's salary of $2 million per year is about what an NBA fringe player earns, a minimally successful MLB player, etc. Even at that, in baseball small market teams can't afford to pay the going rate, and have to layer in low priced players with a few stars who earn their keep with huge productivity.

Of the 21 college basketball coaches who earn at least $2 million and who took their teams to the NCAA tourney last season, only 2 (TWO!) were from private universities. Those two (Coach K and Jay Wright) have returned NCAA bids year in, year out.

Do you know how few donors we have at St. John's that have donated $1 million to the school? Paying a $2 million salary to Lavin is more than double what the school has paid any predecessor, and more that three times what Norm earned. Even then Lavin wasn't considered a sure thing given his exit from UCLA.

If you look at the "sure things" among current college coaches, many make less than $2 million, but have been attached to their schools for a long time (Boeheim $1.8 mm at Syracuse, Mark Few at $1.1 mm at Gonzaga, are examples). Even then, having built a solid winning program at one school doesn't guarantee success at the next stop. Only a tiny handful of guys (Pitino and Calipari types) have won at multiple big time programs.

As fans we are totally unrealistic that a Sean Miller would come to St. John's. At $2. 6 million, he's already way above what SJU can and would spend for a coach.

For all the talk about donors paying Lavin's salary, his 6 year cost for himself and staff is in the $15 million range. I'm unaware that donors have kicked in $7 mm of that. To think that this program has big backers that may exist at other schools is just false.

Finally, you can't look at the revenue produced by a single marquee sport and expect all of the revenue to go back into that sport to fund success. At SJU, only one sport generates significant revenue, and that revenue must be spread among the operating budget of all sports. It's just the reality of college athletics, and why private schools are being squeezed out of the picture.

Well if just two donors put up 1mill a year, and sju match them with 2million that's 4 right there per year for a top coach.
Then maybe a few other donors pays the staff salary???

I don't know, I'm just guessing here.

But there has to be something that can be done. What, say we get lucky with an assistant or something, and he's good. We'll lose him when a big school throws 3mill at him?

I'll give it one more coach before saying screw it, I guess we will never be big time again, and just accept being a little mid major school.

Only 8 coaches in the NCAA tourney last year made more than $3 million. All except Duke are public universities. It's nice to know where are tax dollars are going.

 

[austour]

I guess you don't understand the phrase, Something really big. Even if STJ isn't a mid major, which at this point I agree with you on, it's certainly not something really big. Heck half the posters on the board think it's irrelevant. I think most would love to have Marshall but he's not coming.

PS this was meant to respond to oldschoolredmen's reposting of some of the ESPN article on what it would take to get Marshall.

So then I guess SJU will never be like how it was? Our last really good run was 17-18yrs ago. Since then we been to 2 ncaa tournaments and both were first round knockouts.
So I guess this is what we are then huh?

Think Gonzaga or Villanova as the ceiling would be my best guess. And there's really no shame in that but Marshall's not going to those schools either.. You think STJ can be Duke or Kentucky you dreaming and that's the kind of really big they're talking about with Marshall. St Johns hasn't been that kind of team since what, the 40's or early 50's, despite making it to one final four.

I'm just using this as an example, I know this would never happen.
I guess if Rick Pitino came to SJU that his recruiting would diminish and he'd forget how to coach. All because he's at ST. John's.
How was Duke before coach k went there and made them elite?

Sorry but I continur to believe that with the right coach can and would bring SJU to a whole new level, even bigger then the Louie 85 team.
Now will the right coach ever come? I guess we'll have to be patient and see, got no other choice.

It's not whether Rick Pitino would improve STJ, it's whether he'd take the job. You're not wrong about your assessments of coaches who could improve STJ you're just not realistic on who would be interested.

You are also overrating STJ's past. It's the modern era of college hoops and in that era St Johns was never really big. Lou made it out of the first weekend in the NCAA's 4 times his entire post Nets career, one time before. Won more than 24 games three times. Very good program but in the modern era, not exactly great. His teams were highly competitive but 2 years does not a perennial contender or dynasty make.

 

[bamafan]

Anyone who had anything to do with picking any of our coaches since Lou retired should not be allowed within 1,000 miles of who should be the all new decision makers!

 

[Moose]

The business is passing Rubin bye.

He also says our APR is 1000? Is that perfect? How is our APR so good when two former players who left early never finished the semester?

 

[Moose]

The proof is in the pudding. Lavin spoke last year as if a contract extension was right around the corner. It's a year later and nothing has been finalized. If the administration wanted him locked up, they would've signed something by now.

That talk of an extension pissed off MANY people within SJU. They were blindsided by it because there was 0 truth to it.

 

[Moose]

If it's up to the administration alone, I think he stays. (Unless I guess the buyout is cheap? Is there even one?) But I think if a few big-money donors want him gone (and I'm pretty sure they do), it'll happen.

I really think it'll be that simple.

I'm sure the Donors know that we'll never win with lavin, I believe if they care enough then he's gone, if not then whatever.

The reason big donors from SJU are big donors, is that they came here from working class families and starting at the bottom, have had a ton of success in their careers. They all know the value of money, and I think they will see absolutely little harm in wait and see for LAvin to complete his contract. If need be, they will extend him with a very small guarantee so that he can recruit. Bu they won't eat $1 million or more, because hey, the program has stunk for the better part of 20 years. One more year to see how it goes won't hurt very much.

A coach will not coach with 1 year on his contract. The coach and the school will both not let that happen. He will extended or be gone. One or the other.

 

[Class of 72]

If it's up to the administration alone, I think he stays. (Unless I guess the buyout is cheap? Is there even one?) But I think if a few big-money donors want him gone (and I'm pretty sure they do), it'll happen.

I really think it'll be that simple.

I'm sure the Donors know that we'll never win with lavin, I believe if they care enough then he's gone, if not then whatever.

The reason big donors from SJU are big donors, is that they came here from working class families and starting at the bottom, have had a ton of success in their careers. They all know the value of money, and I think they will see absolutely little harm in wait and see for LAvin to complete his contract. If need be, they will extend him with a very small guarantee so that he can recruit. Bu they won't eat $1 million or more, because hey, the program has stunk for the better part of 20 years. One more year to see how it goes won't hurt very much.

A coach will not coach with 1 year on his contract. The coach and the school will both not let that happen. He will extended or be gone. One or the other.

At St. John's any scenario is possible. Coach has to coach for his paycheck but our history shows we are not beyond firing coaches in December.

 

[Moose]

If it's up to the administration alone, I think he stays. (Unless I guess the buyout is cheap? Is there even one?) But I think if a few big-money donors want him gone (and I'm pretty sure they do), it'll happen.

I really think it'll be that simple.

I'm sure the Donors know that we'll never win with lavin, I believe if they care enough then he's gone, if not then whatever.

The reason big donors from SJU are big donors, is that they came here from working class families and starting at the bottom, have had a ton of success in their careers. They all know the value of money, and I think they will see absolutely little harm in wait and see for LAvin to complete his contract. If need be, they will extend him with a very small guarantee so that he can recruit. Bu they won't eat $1 million or more, because hey, the program has stunk for the better part of 20 years. One more year to see how it goes won't hurt very much.

A coach will not coach with 1 year on his contract. The coach and the school will both not let that happen. He will extended or be gone. One or the other.

At St. John's any scenario is possible. Coach has to coach for his paycheck but our history shows we are not beyond firing coaches in December.

Nobody was fired in December. But lets not dwell in the past.

 

[Class of 72]

If it's up to the administration alone, I think he stays. (Unless I guess the buyout is cheap? Is there even one?) But I think if a few big-money donors want him gone (and I'm pretty sure they do), it'll happen.

I really think it'll be that simple.

I'm sure the Donors know that we'll never win with lavin, I believe if they care enough then he's gone, if not then whatever.

The reason big donors from SJU are big donors, is that they came here from working class families and starting at the bottom, have had a ton of success in their careers. They all know the value of money, and I think they will see absolutely little harm in wait and see for LAvin to complete his contract. If need be, they will extend him with a very small guarantee so that he can recruit. Bu they won't eat $1 million or more, because hey, the program has stunk for the better part of 20 years. One more year to see how it goes won't hurt very much.

A coach will not coach with 1 year on his contract. The coach and the school will both not let that happen. He will extended or be gone. One or the other.

At St. John's any scenario is possible. Coach has to coach for his paycheck but our history shows we are not beyond firing coaches in December.

Nobody was fired in December. But lets not dwell in the past.

Mike Jarvis

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/20/s...is-is-unable-to-survive-lumps-and-losses.html

 

[Moose]

If it's up to the administration alone, I think he stays. (Unless I guess the buyout is cheap? Is there even one?) But I think if a few big-money donors want him gone (and I'm pretty sure they do), it'll happen.

I really think it'll be that simple.

I'm sure the Donors know that we'll never win with lavin, I believe if they care enough then he's gone, if not then whatever.

The reason big donors from SJU are big donors, is that they came here from working class families and starting at the bottom, have had a ton of success in their careers. They all know the value of money, and I think they will see absolutely little harm in wait and see for LAvin to complete his contract. If need be, they will extend him with a very small guarantee so that he can recruit. Bu they won't eat $1 million or more, because hey, the program has stunk for the better part of 20 years. One more year to see how it goes won't hurt very much.

A coach will not coach with 1 year on his contract. The coach and the school will both not let that happen. He will extended or be gone. One or the other.

At St. John's any scenario is possible. Coach has to coach for his paycheck but our history shows we are not beyond firing coaches in December.

Nobody was fired in December. But lets not dwell in the past.

Mike Jarvis

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/20/s...is-is-unable-to-survive-lumps-and-losses.html

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