N.Y. Daily News / Support For Lavin
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redfan259999888
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lol some on here crack me up.
Avon, you know if we even make the CBI, you'll have people saying on extend him, he made us relevant.
I guess to some it's not about winning, it's just about being relevant. So tell me, why even have sports then? I mean isn't sports being about winning?
Yeah, I know good sportsmanship and all that, but in the end are you remembered for 2nd place?
As Lombardi said: "Winning isn't isn't everything, it's the only thing.
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Who was the Duke fan thing aimed out?
I don’t think there’s any question that Lavin increased the recognition /buzz factor of the program. The problem is that for the last couple of years, the buzz is for all the wrong reasons. Last season, “the most talented team in the Big East” couldn’t make the NCAA tourney. This season, “the best backcourt in the Big East” isn’t going to make the NCAA Tourney.
So in lieu of winning, multiple suspensions, ejections, academic ineligibilities, mutinies, bizarre wardrobe choices, etc are now providing the bulk of the "buzz" around this team. If you’re a drama fan, that’s great. I’ll take a team that can make the tourney more than once every six year, thank you.
So in lieu of winning, multiple suspensions, ejections, academic ineligibilities, mutinies, bizarre wardrobe choices, etc are now providing the bulk of the "buzz" around this team. If you’re a drama fan, that’s great. I’ll take a team that can make the tourney more than once every six year, thank you.
Please explain exactly how a coach who led the team to a first-round NIT blowout loss last year and a current 8th place standing in a 10 team league has made St John's "relevant."
I'd suggest that if you look at the recent history of the teams in the league, the only team that is more irrelevant than St Johns is DePaul. Though Seton Hall is close.
WRT to the article, all it says is that there is support for Lavin ... in Lavin's mind. As we are all well aware, there is a whole lot of fiction that goes on in there, so I wouldn't read anything into it.
A lot of promise but little performance. Best case scenario was senior laden team going into tournament and winning a game and Lavin using momentum to nail a great class. Many would give him a second chance to do better with his second group.
But with each loss this season begins to look less and less likely to create any postseason buzz. We will see if does anything on recruiting front, but I doubt Lavin ever gets a team as good as the one he had last year. So I understand those that have doubts about succeeding under him
But with each loss this season begins to look less and less likely to create any postseason buzz. We will see if does anything on recruiting front, but I doubt Lavin ever gets a team as good as the one he had last year. So I understand those that have doubts about succeeding under him
There's no denying that Lavin's hire created a buzz around the program. Suddenly SJ received favorable press and became once again part of the national basketball conversation - however briefly, however much he squandered that goodwill and however poor the results on the court. To that extent the hire made SJ relevant.
Very simple. In the past 23 years SJU made the tourney 6 times. Once in last 12 years credited to Lav. I want us to be winners but i am also a realist. The forum is expecting god knows what overnight. Once again, i am not thrilled so don't get me wrong. I just don't think we will get better than Lavin.
I do think he will bring a solid class for next year. I don't buy it that we won't have any more commitments. Lavin proved that he can bring in the names. Now it's time to put them together as a team. You guys need to throw some blame at the players. We were all jumping in joy when (Jordan-Obekpa-Greene) committed. Now everyone is complaining that Lavin brought in misfits and thugs. Is it all on Lavin? He's no psychic to estimate how foolish some of these players will act.
Besides Harrison and Pointer(this year) rest of the guys are busts. (the remaining guys)
I would give Lavin a 2-3 year extension with provisions about NCAA. Four years total-he has to bring us back to the dance at least twice
I do think he will bring a solid class for next year. I don't buy it that we won't have any more commitments. Lavin proved that he can bring in the names. Now it's time to put them together as a team. You guys need to throw some blame at the players. We were all jumping in joy when (Jordan-Obekpa-Greene) committed. Now everyone is complaining that Lavin brought in misfits and thugs. Is it all on Lavin? He's no psychic to estimate how foolish some of these players will act.
Besides Harrison and Pointer(this year) rest of the guys are busts. (the remaining guys)
I would give Lavin a 2-3 year extension with provisions about NCAA. Four years total-he has to bring us back to the dance at least twice
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If you recruit kids that don't live up to expectations, doesn't that fall on the coach? Can't blame the GM.
Avon Barksdale
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we beat Northern Arizona in 2000
If Lavin goes then what is the talent pool of coaches on the market? I am not that well versed like other posters seem to be here but I really don't think we can get better than Lavin at this point in time, am I wrong? I think Lavin is good but not great and that he is learning on the job and does bring visibility to the school. It is also a mystery to me what role Gene Keady (sp) really plays in all of this, he is always taking notes and is a legend among coaches but none of it seems to rub off on Lavin.
redfan259999888
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lol, first I'd like to type that the ty was a mistake, meant to click quote. oh well.
" I just don't think we will get better than Lavin."
Ok, tell me why do you believe that? I believe that a top coach could win at any school that is in a major conference. Now, is the school at the point wehere they are sick of this garbage and are willing to go all out for a winner?If so then it's time to put up or shutup. The school to put up 2million, then the donors put up maybe a million each and pay him between 3-4million.
Want to win? Then it's time to put up.
"I would give Lavin a 2-3 year extension with provisions about NCAA. Four years total-he has to bring us back to the dance at least twice."
You would be a damn fool to give him a 2-3 year extension, my money would be on him being lazy next year and not recruiting? Do you remember the no recruitment crap last year?
I'm against this, but if they extend him, it would have to be 1 year at the most, why? Just to make sure that he'll recruit next year.
That's right I do not trust Lavin.
IMO my first look would be to hop Florida tanks out the season like they are currently doing, hopefully Donovan wants out and comes home and wants to coach at SJU.
If that doesn't happen,which it most likely won't, the hurleys seem like good options, and there's also a few others out there I wouldn't mind either but they don't come to mind right now
Do you think this administration is willing to spend the $$$ necessary on the program? II am sure there is relationship between dollars spent and success of bball program at any school, I do not know where we stand in this. Also I doubt that we have the equivalent money boosters/donors that other schools have, most alumni are not that passionate like us about SJU ball.
redfan259999888
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Make a list of the top mid major school. Yes that includes: N Iowa coach, wishita st. coach, Shaka Smart, Donovan (if he wants out at uf.). Don't give me on they aren't coming, I don't want to hear it.
One of them just might surprise, then maybe we'll be in good shape. Will it hurt to just pick up the phone and make that call.
redfan259999888
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Always a crap shoot, but with right leadership, I'm confident SJU has commitment and necessary resources to attract a solid coach. My concern is who would lead that process if Lavin moves on. We'll see.
"Help eradicate Otis Karmacide"
Hopefully not the same idiots that picked Jarvis, norm, and now Lavin. Will they learn from the past? I hope so, and let a firm do it.