Mo and Draft

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 With all the early entrants, Mo is now listed at like 25th overall pick in a number of mock drafts (most of which do not include many or any foreign players, so who knows how many could slip in). Is it likely that he stays in, or could he pull out? Can he even pull out at this point (has he hired an agent etc.).
 
 With all the early entrants, Mo is now listed at like 25th overall pick in a number of mock drafts (most of which do not include many or any foreign players, so who knows how many could slip in). Is it likely that he stays in, or could he pull out? Can he even pull out at this point (has he hired an agent etc.).
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I don't know how many times this can be stated.... He's not coming back.
 
I have read that here many times, but if he's going to go in the second round (or there is a good chance for that), he is crazy for going, when he in all likelihood casn do much better (no guaranty) next year.

Or, maybe he can't come back? 
 
 With all the early entrants, Mo is now listed at like 25th overall pick in a number of mock drafts (most of which do not include many or any foreign players, so who knows how many could slip in). Is it likely that he stays in, or could he pull out? Can he even pull out at this point (has he hired an agent etc.).
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I don't know how many times this can be stated.... He's not coming back.
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MJ, the question by West wasn't an unreasonable one. What's the basis for your view? Has he hired an agent such that he cannot come back? Do you believe he's so committed to going pro that even slipping to the 2nd round won't change his mind? I think we could put this to rest if we knew a little more as to why he won't change his mind if his draft position slips.
 
I have read that here many times, but if he's going to go in the second round (or there is a good chance for that), he is crazy for going, when he in all likelihood casn do much better (no guaranty) next year.

Or, maybe he can't come back? 
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There are still workouts for the prospective draft choices. So, he has a chance to increase or decrease his stock. Time will tell.

Nevertheless, he's not coming back.

EDIT: I guess mods can move this thread out of the recruiting section.  
 
I'm with Jnaw.

One other thing to consider would be whether or not Harkless has continued his studies for the end of the semester. If he mailed it in / stopped going to class and/or tests, that's another hurdle to him having an opportunity to come back and being eligible for a sophomore season.

The direct question is simply did he ever actually hire an Agent.

Like many others on the Board, I don't think he's coming back, but since this is a message board, its the place to talk about such things.
 
 With all the early entrants, Mo is now listed at like 25th overall pick in a number of mock drafts (most of which do not include many or any foreign players, so who knows how many could slip in). Is it likely that he stays in, or could he pull out? Can he even pull out at this point (has he hired an agent etc.).
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I don't know how many times this can be stated.... He's not coming back.
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MJ, the question by West wasn't an unreasonable one. What's the basis for your view? Has he hired an agent such that he cannot come back? Do you believe he's so committed to going pro that even slipping to the 2nd round won't change his mind? I think we could put this to rest if we knew a little more as to why he won't change his mind if his draft position slips.
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It wasn't unreasonable, Jnaw. I'm just stating what I've heard about the situation. Not to mention, it's been stated on here by myself and a couple of others. It wasn't stated because that is what we believe.... It was stated because that is what we've heard.

I wasn't saying it in a derogatory manner. I'm just stating that he's not coming back.
 
I believe posters are rightfully trying to be respectful of the kid's decision and subsequent actions but I think it is fair to say he will not be back regardless of his potential draft position; he made a firm choice to turn pro. The best of luck to him; hopefully he works hard and has a long career.  
 
 With all the early entrants, Mo is now listed at like 25th overall pick in a number of mock drafts (most of which do not include many or any foreign players, so who knows how many could slip in). Is it likely that he stays in, or could he pull out? Can he even pull out at this point (has he hired an agent etc.).
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I don't know how many times this can be stated.... He's not coming back.
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MJ, the question by West wasn't an unreasonable one. What's the basis for your view? Has he hired an agent such that he cannot come back? Do you believe he's so committed to going pro that even slipping to the 2nd round won't change his mind? I think we could put this to rest if we knew a little more as to why he won't change his mind if his draft position slips.
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Fair enough. Just wondering if it was impossible now, or just strong indication from parties in the know. Thanks for the clarification.
It wasn't unreasonable, Jnaw. I'm just stating what I've heard about the situation. Not to mention, it's been stated on here by myself and a couple of others. It wasn't stated because that is what we believe.... It was stated because that is what we've heard.

I wasn't saying it in a derogatory manner. I'm just stating that he's not coming back.
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First, I apologize for posting this in the wrong spot, so, yes, I would appreciate it if a Mod moved it.

Second, thanks MJ for the info. I, like a lot of other posters, do not have any inside info, so conclusory statements don't always appear as fact. It is hard to understand certain things without all the facts at hand.

And, I agree that we should all wish him well, I am sure he weill be successful as a pro, even if the road is a little more difficult becasue of where he is drafted.  And, maybe as MJ indicated, he can actually move up based on performance at the camps and workouts.
 
 Mj, sorry but my last reply was mixed in with your quotes. Thanks for sharing more about your views on Moe. Oh well. Some of us were still hoping he could come back, but I'll let that hope go. I'm glad we have Jakarr, Felix and Jamal to help fill the void, and looking forward to the bigs we're all anticipating will announce for us soon.
 
First, I apologize for posting this in the wrong spot, so, yes, I would appreciate it if a Mod moved it.

Second, thanks MJ for the info. I, like a lot of other posters, do not have any inside info, so conclusory statements don't always appear as fact. It is hard to understand certain things without all the facts at hand.

And, I agree that we should all wish him well, I am sure he weill be successful as a pro, even if the road is a little more difficult becasue of where he is drafted.  And, maybe as MJ indicated, he can actually move up based on performance at the camps and workouts.
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It's no biggie! I know some folks say things, and it's usually their opinion rather than something they've actually heard. I do the same. LOL

I try to generally state: a) It's something I've heard; or b) something I'm assuming, guessing or IMO. I'd like him back as much as the next fan on here. IMO, he would've been the frontrunner for Big East POY, if he had decided to come back.

I'm wishing him the best, and hope he enjoys a long and prosperous NBA career.
 
 Mj, sorry but my last reply was mixed in with your quotes. Thanks for sharing more about your views on Moe. Oh well. Some of us were still hoping he could come back, but I'll let that hope go. I'm glad we have Jakarr, Felix and Jamal to help fill the void, and looking forward to the bigs we're all anticipating will announce for us soon.
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You're not the only one who was hoping he'd return. You can count me as one of the hopeful ones. LOL But, it isn't in the cards and we can only move forward now.

Of course, we'd be that much better with Moe and the other kids we could possibly land. But, I also believe we can put a solid product on the floor, if things break our way over the next week or two. 
 
i decided not to open this can of worms yesterday but since it is opened....
I saw mo going as low as 25 but as high as 12 yesterday. I cannot see him pulling out as long as some have him going high. I don't have the time to pull up the 5 mock drafts I looked thru but one had him 12th, one 25th, one 22nd and two had him 16th. I wish him well but I still clearly don't understand NBA recruiting because everything I read pretty much says his shot is still a bit suspect but he overcomes it with his athleticism and ability to flourish in the open court. I wish he'd stay another year, and not because I am greedy, which mind you I am a bit, but because I don't want to see him lose a really big payday next year for a little one this year. Good luck either way Mo. You were a pleasure to watch this season. 
 
i decided not to open this can of worms yesterday but since it is opened....
I saw mo going as low as 25 but as high as 12 yesterday. I cannot see him pulling out as long as some have him going high. I don't have the time to pull up the 5 mock drafts I looked thru but one had him 12th, one 25th, one 22nd and two had him 16th. I wish him well but I still clearly don't understand NBA recruiting because everything I read pretty much says his shot is still a bit suspect but he overcomes it with his athleticism and ability to flourish in the open court. I wish he'd stay another year, and not because I am greedy, which mind you I am a bit, but because I don't want to see him lose a really big payday next year for a little one this year. Good luck either way Mo. You were a pleasure to watch this season. 
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To be honest, Even if he comes back, I don't see him going much higher than #10 in 2013. When you say big payday, well, #10 this year was Jimmer Fredette - he's getting $2.2 mill in his 1st year contract. #25 was Marshon Brooks. He's getting $1.1 million. Yeah, A million is a lot of money, but not in the grand scheme of things. Assuming Mo IS good enuf to be a player - come year 4 and that SECOND contract. Take a guy like Arron Afflalo - came out early, drafted #27 a few years ago. Got a nice million a year deal increasing $225K each year. Then came the 2nd contract, and he'd proved himself valuable in the league. This year, he's jumped from 1.9 to 7.56 million. Playing careers are finite. Had he stayed in school, He MIGTH have bumped that 1st year contract to 2 mill - so by 2012, he MIGHT haved made 9 million (that's what the #10 pick the following year, Robin Lopez, has made). Instead, he's made 12.5 million. That's 3 1/2 MILLION bucks he WOULD NEVER HAVE RECEIVED had he stayed the extra year in college to get the "bigger" payday.

Of course it is a crapshoot - the year Afflalo came out, senior Morris Almond was drafted two spots higher. Almond was a 26 pt, 7 rebound wing from Rice, who'd shot 44% on 3s as a Jr. and 46% as a Senior. Got the million a year contract. Washed out of the league in 1 1/2 years. Never made it to that 2nd contract. But you you have faith in your ability you have to take that gamble.
 
 
It wasn't unreasonable, Jnaw. I'm just stating what I've heard about the situation. Not to mention, it's been stated on here by myself and a couple of others. It wasn't stated because that is what we believe.... It was stated because that is what we've heard.

I wasn't saying it in a derogatory manner. I'm just stating that he's not coming back.
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My fellow Americans, I mean fellow posters -

nothing is definite it seems to me;

if does not have an agent he can return;

if he slips into the second round, he might reconsider;

even with an agent he can request a reprieve from the Pope since he played for a Roman Catholic school etc. or from the NCAA since we are charter members and the like;

he can change his mind - correct?

I'm very tired of all this;

no wait, I change my mind I'm not tired;

he can also change his mind and come back for assorted other reasons not mentioned herein.

I will believe he's gone when he's wearing a Brooklyn Nets Uniform!!! ;) :) ^5 :fight: :silly: :nerd: %-)

why don't they have those moving icons?

all the best
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i decided not to open this can of worms yesterday but since it is opened....
I saw mo going as low as 25 but as high as 12 yesterday. I cannot see him pulling out as long as some have him going high. I don't have the time to pull up the 5 mock drafts I looked thru but one had him 12th, one 25th, one 22nd and two had him 16th. I wish him well but I still clearly don't understand NBA recruiting because everything I read pretty much says his shot is still a bit suspect but he overcomes it with his athleticism and ability to flourish in the open court. I wish he'd stay another year, and not because I am greedy, which mind you I am a bit, but because I don't want to see him lose a really big payday next year for a little one this year. Good luck either way Mo. You were a pleasure to watch this season. 
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To be honest, Even if he comes back, I don't see him going much higher than #10 in 2013. When you say big payday, well, #10 this year was Jimmer Fredette - he's getting $2.2 mill in his 1st year contract. #25 was Marshon Brooks. He's getting $1.1 million. Yeah, A million is a lot of money, but not in the grand scheme of things. Assuming Mo IS good enuf to be a player - come year 4 and that SECOND contract. Take a guy like Arron Afflalo - came out early, drafted #27 a few years ago. Got a nice million a year deal increasing $225K each year. Then came the 2nd contract, and he'd proved himself valuable in the league. This year, he's jumped from 1.9 to 7.56 million. Playing careers are finite. Had he stayed in school, He MIGTH have bumped that 1st year contract to 2 mill - so by 2012, he MIGHT haved made 9 million (that's what the #10 pick the following year, Robin Lopez, has made). Instead, he's made 12.5 million. That's 3 1/2 MILLION bucks he WOULD NEVER HAVE RECEIVED had he stayed the extra year in college to get the "bigger" payday.

Of course it is a crapshoot - the year Afflalo came out, senior Morris Almond was drafted two spots higher. Almond was a 26 pt, 7 rebound wing from Rice, who'd shot 44% on 3s as a Jr. and 46% as a Senior. Got the million a year contract. Washed out of the league in 1 1/2 years. Never made it to that 2nd contract. But you you have faith in your ability you have to take that gamble.
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A few things in this thread to reply to. First in the new CBA Teams now get an option for year 4 at scale as well, as I recall. This will make the first contract difference between #10 and #27 a minumum of $4million and as much as $5million. From the outside anyone can see that unless you're a sure thing it seems silly to gamble that $4-5 million but as you said these kids all think they're going to be rotation players at worst and not busts.

Moe's going to go in the first round and he'll hopefully earn that second contract to justify the gamble.

For those others it has been posted by one person, but not corroborated, that Moe stopped going to class once he declared and, if true, that makes it abundantly clear, if it wasn't already, that he's not coming back. 
 
For those others it has been posted by one person, but not corroborated, that Moe stopped going to class once he declared and, if true, that makes it abundantly clear, if it wasn't already, that he's not coming back. 
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I was trying to keep a lid on it, but I guess it was pulled outta you. LOL
 
For those others it has been posted by one person, but not corroborated, that Moe stopped going to class once he declared and, if true, that makes it abundantly clear, if it wasn't already, that he's not coming back. 
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I was trying to keep a lid on it, but I guess it was pulled outta you. LOL
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TIS posted that a couple weeks back. Just reminding those who forgot and pointing it out to those who missed it.
 
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