Mikey Dixon Transferring

MarkRedman wrote: It will be very interesting to see where Dixon ends up. If he is willing to be a complementary player, there may be some big time programs interested in him. But, if he wants to be the captain of the ship, he'll have to move down a level.

Maybe Quinnipiac is looking for another guard.........

I was thinking the A10 might be a good landing spot for him. I watch a number of A10 games given that Davidson plays in that league and IMHO he could be very competitive for significant minutes in that league.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=312077][quote="Marillac" post=312074][quote="Room112" post=312056][quote="Happy" post=312039]Hate to see the kid transfer especially in such a bizarre fashion because depth especially for recent St john's teams has been so hard to come by. This young man will have to sit out again which makes no sense but I guess he wants to be a chief and not a ... College basketball roster makeup is so unpredictable from year to year that it is almost impossible to forecast . Ian Steere was here in a blink of an eye and now Dixon left just like that.. Hoping that Mack is the real deal at PG and Greg Williams stays and continues to improve because Eli wright has been better than advertised in practices. We will be real athletic at the guard spot but really could have used Mikey Dixon's shooting skills as well :)[/quote]

See in the day and age of kids wanting instant gratification, it makes having multiple sit out transfers make even more sense. Transfers like this prove that point. Kids are not willing to sit at the end of the bench and earn minutes and develop. It's nearly impossible to keep 13 players happy because there aren't enough minutes to go around.[/quote]

I'm fine losing 1-2 players a year if they are guys that are leaving because they lost battles for playing time. That seems to be the norm now anyway--40% of kids transfer by their soph year. 20% of those kids transfer again!

I don't fault Dixon one bit. He was too good for the MAAC, but not good enough to be a starter in the Big East. The writing was on the wall with Williams rising fast, Mack signed on for next year, and Eli Wright busting his arse in practice.

This kid has a professional career ahead of him somewhere and he has every right to bolster that resume while he can.

I'm much more bothered by transfers from kids who have big roles and are depended on--like Owens. I think that shows naivety to buy a coach's sales pitch and a lack of character in abandoning his teammates, coaches, and school.[/quote]

Tariq Owens had 4 points, 4 boards, 5 fouls in 12 minutes of play against 8-5 West Virginia the other night. They are 12-1 and we are 13-1. I have yet to see the value in his 5th year transfer over staying at SJU where he was guaranteed serious minutes this season.[/quote]

Whose minutes was he going to take? Keita's when he is healthy? Lj's? Herons? He would average 20 minutes at best while averaging 5, 3 and 2. The move to Tech has worked out for him. The one thing TO was guaranteed of on this team was a severely diminished role from a squad that lost its first 11 conference games. I'm growing tired of this board beating the same dead horse.
 
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[quote="Marillac" post=312074][quote="Room112" post=312056][quote="Happy" post=312039]Hate to see the kid transfer especially in such a bizarre fashion because depth especially for recent St john's teams has been so hard to come by. This young man will have to sit out again which makes no sense but I guess he wants to be a chief and not a ... College basketball roster makeup is so unpredictable from year to year that it is almost impossible to forecast . Ian Steere was here in a blink of an eye and now Dixon left just like that.. Hoping that Mack is the real deal at PG and Greg Williams stays and continues to improve because Eli wright has been better than advertised in practices. We will be real athletic at the guard spot but really could have used Mikey Dixon's shooting skills as well :)[/quote]

See in the day and age of kids wanting instant gratification, it makes having multiple sit out transfers make even more sense. Transfers like this prove that point. Kids are not willing to sit at the end of the bench and earn minutes and develop. It's nearly impossible to keep 13 players happy because there aren't enough minutes to go around.[/quote]

I'm fine losing 1-2 players a year if they are guys that are leaving because they lost battles for playing time. That seems to be the norm now anyway--40% of kids transfer by their soph year. 20% of those kids transfer again!

I don't fault Dixon one bit. He was too good for the MAAC, but not good enough to be a starter in the Big East. The writing was on the wall with Williams rising fast, Mack signed on for next year, and Eli Wright busting his arse in practice.

This kid has a professional career ahead of him somewhere and he has every right to bolster that resume while he can.

I'm much more bothered by transfers from kids who have big roles and are depended on--like Owens. I think that shows naivety to buy a coach's sales pitch and a lack of character in abandoning his teammates, coaches, and school.[/quote]

I don't think you can say that he wasn't good enough to be a starter in the Big East. We are a guard heavy team, so he was never going to be a starter for us. And he probably isn't good enough to start for the Villanova's or Marquette's...but after a year of development as a bench player, I could see him starting for a few teams in this league.
 
[quote="alexander salem" post=312088][quote="redmannorth" post=312077][quote="Marillac" post=312074][quote="Room112" post=312056][quote="Happy" post=312039]Hate to see the kid transfer especially in such a bizarre fashion because depth especially for recent St john's teams has been so hard to come by. This young man will have to sit out again which makes no sense but I guess he wants to be a chief and not a ... College basketball roster makeup is so unpredictable from year to year that it is almost impossible to forecast . Ian Steere was here in a blink of an eye and now Dixon left just like that.. Hoping that Mack is the real deal at PG and Greg Williams stays and continues to improve because Eli wright has been better than advertised in practices. We will be real athletic at the guard spot but really could have used Mikey Dixon's shooting skills as well :)[/quote]

See in the day and age of kids wanting instant gratification, it makes having multiple sit out transfers make even more sense. Transfers like this prove that point. Kids are not willing to sit at the end of the bench and earn minutes and develop. It's nearly impossible to keep 13 players happy because there aren't enough minutes to go around.[/quote]

I'm fine losing 1-2 players a year if they are guys that are leaving because they lost battles for playing time. That seems to be the norm now anyway--40% of kids transfer by their soph year. 20% of those kids transfer again!

I don't fault Dixon one bit. He was too good for the MAAC, but not good enough to be a starter in the Big East. The writing was on the wall with Williams rising fast, Mack signed on for next year, and Eli Wright busting his arse in practice.

This kid has a professional career ahead of him somewhere and he has every right to bolster that resume while he can.

I'm much more bothered by transfers from kids who have big roles and are depended on--like Owens. I think that shows naivety to buy a coach's sales pitch and a lack of character in abandoning his teammates, coaches, and school.[/quote]

Tariq Owens had 4 points, 4 boards, 5 fouls in 12 minutes of play against 8-5 West Virginia the other night. They are 12-1 and we are 13-1. I have yet to see the value in his 5th year transfer over staying at SJU where he was guaranteed serious minutes this season.[/quote]

Whose minutes was he going to take? Keita's when he is healthy? Lj's? Herons? He would average 20 minutes at best while averaging 5, 3 and 2. The move to Tech has worked out for him. The one thing TO was guaranteed of on this team was a severely diminished role from a squad that lost its first 11 conference games. I'm growing tired of this board beating the same dead horse.[/quote]

Hé wasn’t taking anyone’s minutes , he had earned his own minutes over the course of his play the last 2 seasons. He was guaranteed his minutes on a greatly Improved team. And if I recall correctly when he announced he was leaving there was no Figueroa or Heron.
In any event nothing rude or insulting has been said in this thread about Owens or his dad but if you find it so cumbersome I suggest you skip the posts in question that are comparing Tariq’s transfer to MDs.
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=312085]It will be very interesting to see where Dixon ends up. If he is willing to be a complementary player, there may be some big time programs interested in him. But, if he wants to be the captain of the ship, he'll have to move down a level.

Maybe Quinnipiac is looking for another guard.........[/quote]

Not sure of their guard situation but maybe Iona. I think Coach Eaton was on the staff at Quinnipiac and I know he liked his game at that level.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=312091][quote="alexander salem" post=312088][quote="redmannorth" post=312077][quote="Marillac" post=312074][quote="Room112" post=312056][quote="Happy" post=312039]Hate to see the kid transfer especially in such a bizarre fashion because depth especially for recent St john's teams has been so hard to come by. This young man will have to sit out again which makes no sense but I guess he wants to be a chief and not a ... College basketball roster makeup is so unpredictable from year to year that it is almost impossible to forecast . Ian Steere was here in a blink of an eye and now Dixon left just like that.. Hoping that Mack is the real deal at PG and Greg Williams stays and continues to improve because Eli wright has been better than advertised in practices. We will be real athletic at the guard spot but really could have used Mikey Dixon's shooting skills as well :)[/quote]

See in the day and age of kids wanting instant gratification, it makes having multiple sit out transfers make even more sense. Transfers like this prove that point. Kids are not willing to sit at the end of the bench and earn minutes and develop. It's nearly impossible to keep 13 players happy because there aren't enough minutes to go around.[/quote]

I'm fine losing 1-2 players a year if they are guys that are leaving because they lost battles for playing time. That seems to be the norm now anyway--40% of kids transfer by their soph year. 20% of those kids transfer again!

I don't fault Dixon one bit. He was too good for the MAAC, but not good enough to be a starter in the Big East. The writing was on the wall with Williams rising fast, Mack signed on for next year, and Eli Wright busting his arse in practice.

This kid has a professional career ahead of him somewhere and he has every right to bolster that resume while he can.

I'm much more bothered by transfers from kids who have big roles and are depended on--like Owens. I think that shows naivety to buy a coach's sales pitch and a lack of character in abandoning his teammates, coaches, and school.[/quote]

Tariq Owens had 4 points, 4 boards, 5 fouls in 12 minutes of play against 8-5 West Virginia the other night. They are 12-1 and we are 13-1. I have yet to see the value in his 5th year transfer over staying at SJU where he was guaranteed serious minutes this season.[/quote]

Whose minutes was he going to take? Keita's when he is healthy? Lj's? Herons? He would average 20 minutes at best while averaging 5, 3 and 2. The move to Tech has worked out for him. The one thing TO was guaranteed of on this team was a severely diminished role from a squad that lost its first 11 conference games. I'm growing tired of this board beating the same dead horse.[/quote]

Hé wasn’t taking anyone’s minutes , he had earned his own minutes over the course of his play the last 2 seasons. He was guaranteed his minutes on a greatly Improved team. And if I recall correctly when he announced he was leaving there was no Figueroa or Heron.
In any event nothing rude or insulting has been said in this thread about Owens or his dad but if you find it so cumbersome I suggest you skip the posts in question that are comparing Tariq’s transfer to MDs.[/quote]
Also, aside from his being a good teammate, we have no idea of how Keita is going to work out for us -- it's not like he was a star, let alone a starter or even key player off the bench, at South Carolina. Hoping it's not the case, but maybe he'll turn out to be a foul machine, so why assume Tariq's minutes would automatically be "takeable"?
 
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Redken: "Also, aside from his being a good teammate, we have no idea of how Keita is going to work out for us -- it's not like he was a star, let alone a starter or even key player off the bench, at South Carolina. Hoping it's not the case, but maybe he'll turn out to be a foul machine, so why assume Tariq's minutes would automatically be "takeable"?"

Do you think Owens would be averaging 30 minutes a game (2018 MPG at SJU) on this years team if everyone is healthy? Would he still be the third or fourth option on offense? With Mulllin's system , I don't think that was going to happen.

Would we be a better team if he had stayed? Absolutely. But, he did what he felt was best for him and his future career as a Basketball player. Right now, he is showcasing exactly what he does best. Tech has the best defense in the country according to Kenpom. They are ranked 11th and played toe to toe with that ridiculous Duke Squad.
 
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The Dixon Saga encapsulates the realities of today’s High-Major College Basketball ‘game’ from both the player’s and the team’s perspectives.
Mikey thought he’d have major PT and St. John’s at the time thought he’d be a key piece in the guard rotation and provide much-needed 3-point accuracy, something that had been missing from St. John’s quiver for awhile.
It didn’t work out for him and I’m sure it’s tough to have to transfer again to find your niche and pursue your dreams.
I wish the kid well.
 
I wish him the best. We will miss him in terms of depth, injury insurance etc.

That being said. We’re 13-1, should be 14-0. Why would you want to walk out on that? Work hard in practice, claw your way back into the rotation. Fight for you spot, and in doing so help the team. Be part of something big. Winning in Ny is big. Especially right now when most of our teams aren’t winning. Mikey is missing out with this decision.
 
Feels like a guy named Murphy helped plan Dixon transfer. If he stayed semester and graduated over the summer, he gets to play for whomever wants him as grad transfer and our bench stays stronger until cavalry arrives for 19/20.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=312107]Feels like a guy named Murphy helped plan Dixon transfer. If he stayed semester and graduated over the summer, he gets to play for whomever wants him as grad transfer and our bench stays stronger until cavalry arrives for 19/20.[/quote]

He wasn't graduating this summer. This summer he would be going into his Sr. year academically.
 
“He’s gone & we could do nothing about it”
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=312109]“He’s gone & we could do nothing about it”
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If Dixon is Tommy DeVito character in this scenario, then then watching him play defense made me feel like the restaurant guy that Tommy refused to pay his bar bill then got his in the head with the glass.
 
[quote="RJGBOOTSY" post=311885][quote="we are sju" post=311880][quote="GoldenLeaf" post=311865]How Kevin Williams was not starting ahead of Bobby Kelly EVERY GAME remains a mystery that only Coach C. can ever explain. It was, INSANE.[/quote]

I have posted this before but when I was a kid I was a ball boy for a USBL team. Kevin Williams was the best player in a league with a bunch of guys that played in the pros. Hot Rod Williams was on Williams team. However Williams was an angry dude and not really a point guard.
But even with all that yes I agree and my 10year old self STRONGLY agreed with you.[/quote]

Williams starting over Kelly is one of the great mysteries of all-time. The second greatest mystery is how did Kelly even make the roster!!!! From what I heard he was a nice kid, well liked and did put in effort, just limited talent. Loved how hard he worked just to get the ball past half-court.[/quote]

To defend Kelly,he was a much better player at Holy Cross for two years, before transferring to SJU. He had a serious leg injury while sitting out and lost his quickness. Williams was a better player, but I don't know how well he played the point, in Louie's system.
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=312080][quote="Jinwoo Pae" post=312030]Respect Dixon's decision but pretty sad. He is realy a late bloomer.

I believe that bench power is the team's power, but still don't get it why
coach B.M had Rowson Mcleod sit on the bench, transfer to Duke and
start game for #3 NC out of bench..
check the staring line-up below 07:47s.
=7m47s[/quote]

The McLeod transfer was a different story altogether
Mahoney was playing him at center, he wanted to be a power forward
McLeod transferred to Duke and became a very good PF for them[/quote]

Roshown wanted to play on the perimeter as a 3, while here he played the 4 and 5. He also wanted more from the campus. By the end of his career here, his unhappiness showed and Sergio Lyuk (RIP) was playing ahead of him at the 4 behind Minlend.

He wound up transferring to Duke and due to injuries and defections, he still wound up playing the 4 there (and as you mentioned was a very good one there). He wound up a 1st round draft pick but injuries curtailed his career after two or three seasons I believe.
 
1. Owens announced his transfer in the beginning of April, Heron in late May. So Heron had nothing to do with Owens leaving.

2. Some are assuming that Keita had something to do with Owens leaving but what is that based on? Certainly can’t be on the limited minutes he has gotten this year due to his injury and I don’t recall hearing that he was tearing things up in practice last year.

3. I like Happy (and a few others) have heard (or possibly seen for themselves) that Wright has been looking extremely well in practice. But we don’t know if that or the coming of Mack was a factor in Dixon’s decision.

4. I do believe we can safely say that Williams so-called emergence (he has shown talent in brief spots and I hope he will do more now with some if not all of Dixon’s minutes) along with Trimble receiving more minutes meant less time for him and he was not happy.
 
[quote="SJU85" post=312127][quote="MarkRedman" post=312080][quote="Jinwoo Pae" post=312030]Respect Dixon's decision but pretty sad. He is realy a late bloomer.

I believe that bench power is the team's power, but still don't get it why
coach B.M had Rowson Mcleod sit on the bench, transfer to Duke and
start game for #3 NC out of bench..
check the staring line-up below 07:47s.
=7m47s[/quote]

The McLeod transfer was a different story altogether
Mahoney was playing him at center, he wanted to be a power forward
McLeod transferred to Duke and became a very good PF for them[/quote]

Roshown wanted to play on the perimeter as a 3, while here he played the 4 and 5. He also wanted more from the campus. By the end of his career here, his unhappiness showed and Sergio Lyuk (RIP) was playing ahead of him at the 4 behind Minlend.

He wound up transferring to Duke and due to injuries and defections, he still wound up playing the 4 there (and as you mentioned was a very good one there). He wound up a 1st round draft pick but injuries curtailed his career after two or three seasons I believe.[/quote]
The Roshown McLeod transfer almost killed me. I knew he had a chance to be good but our coach didn't know how to use him. But why did it have to be Duke? Why? Of all the gin joints, in all the world, why Duke?
 
[quote="SJU85" post=312140]1. Owens announced his transfer in the beginning of April, Heron in late May. So Heron had nothing to do with Owens leaving.

2. Some are assuming that Keita had something to do with Owens leaving but what is that based on? Certainly can’t be on the limited minutes he has gotten this year due to his injury and I don’t recall hearing that he was tearing things up in practice last year.

3. I like Happy (and a few others) have heard (or possibly seen for themselves) that Wright has been looking extremely well in practice. But we don’t know if that or the coming of Mack was a factor in Dixon’s decision.

4. I do believe we can safely say that Williams so-called emergence (he has shown talent in brief spots and I hope he will do more now with some if not all of Dixon’s minutes) along with Trimble receiving more minutes meant less time for him and he was not happy.[/quote]

Speaking of Eli Wright, I just discovered this about his 25-12 Miss St. team: they were loaded. SEVEN top 100 RSCI players and that doesn't include Aric Holman who is a projected #31 pick in the 2019 draft.

The guards who played before him last year were a three year starter and #98 RSCI recruit Quindarry Weatherspoon and #26 RSCI recruit freshman Nick Weatherspoon. Squeezing his PT from both sides was #83 RSCI and fellow soph Lamar Peters at PG and redshirt-JR SF Xavian Stapleton. Also at SG was was #85 RSCI soph Tyson Carter.

Eli Wright t was #91 RSCI and was a part of the 8-man rotation averaging over 13 mpg both years.

There is no shame playing behind that group.
 
I was thinking the A10 might be a good landing spot for him. I watch a number of A10 games given that Davidson plays in that league and IMHO he could be very competitive for significant minutes in that league.[/quote]

Delaware would be a good spot for him too. Home for him and their coach seems to have the program going in a good direction. CAA is a strong mid major league and he could start for them. He'd pair well with Dylan Painter from Nova who just transfered there. Regardless good luck to him wherever he ends up.
 
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I know I'm a bit of a dinosaur and I know that every transfer situation is different , but when I hear "the kid had to do what was best for him" (pretty much every time a kid transfers), I wonder what happened to things like "honor your commitment" or "finish what you started(at least finish out the season)" or "don't abandon your teammates" or "keep working hard and good things will come", etc. etc. I know it's the nature of high school and college sports these days, but the propensity for kids(oftentimes encouraged by their parents/handlers/etc) to jump ship as soon as things don't go their way(not enough PT, not used in the role they want, etc) is something that I'll never understand. Freshman year of high school my daughter saw very little PT on the JV team. She told me half way through the season that she wanted to quit the team. I flat out told her "if you don't want to play basketball anymore that's fine, but you do not quit on your teammates mid-season! You can stop playing after the season is over if that's what you choose". Well she stuck it out and the following year wound up being a starter on the team that won the league championship. To each his own I guess.
 
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