Mikey Dixon Transferring

Hate to see the kid transfer especially in such a bizarre fashion because depth especially for recent St john's teams has been so hard to come by. This young man will have to sit out again which makes no sense but I guess he wants to be a chief and not a ... College basketball roster makeup is so unpredictable from year to year that it is almost impossible to forecast . Ian Steere was here in a blink of an eye and now Dixon left just like that.. Hoping that Mack is the real deal at PG and Greg Williams stays and continues to improve because Eli wright has been better than advertised in practices. We will be real athletic at the guard spot but really could have used Mikey Dixon's shooting skills as well :)
 
[quote="Happy" post=312039]Hate to see the kid transfer especially in such a bizarre fashion because depth especially for recent St john's teams has been so hard to come by. This young man will have to sit out again which makes no sense but I guess he wants to be a chief and not a ... College basketball roster makeup is so unpredictable from year to year that it is almost impossible to forecast . Ian Steere was here in a blink of an eye and now Dixon left just like that.. Hoping that Mack is the real deal at PG and Greg Williams stays and continues to improve because Eli wright has been better than advertised in practices. We will be real athletic at the guard spot but really could have used Mikey Dixon's shooting skills as well :)[/quote]

Calling all Hall-of-Fame NBA coaching staff, that specialized in shooting and scoring - to help our 2019/2020 guys improve there shooting....

Calling all Hall-of-Fame NBA coaching staff, that specialized in shooting and scoring - to help our 2019/2020 guys improve there shooting....
 
Wish the kid luck in his next stop but I don’t get it. Your playing on a good team with the chance to be a valued player off the bench and perhaps have a larger role next year. The caveat, of course, is that we don’t know what WIlliams, Eli and Trimble are doing at practice or what Dixon and whoever is advising the kid thinks of those guys, Mack and whoever else may be on the horizon. I guess sticking it out to earn more minutes in practice and with further development wasn’t an option.

As an aside, I think Wright may play into this decision more than some think based on what’s been said on how he’s looked so far. Clearly a talented kid that will be a more mature player than what he was at Miss St. I still think Keita practicing all year against Owens had a role in his transferring.
 
[ feel for the kid having to sit out another year but one only has to look at the jumping between AAU programs and high schools to understand that is the norm now. Dixon went from being a big fish in a small pond to a small fish in a big pond and I wish him nothing but the best. D1 basketball is big boys territory not a trophy league, and the possibility of being recruited over or having to earn playing time is real.
 
Am I reading this right?

He leaves now (Jr academically, Soph on the court).

He sits out this semester and 1st semester next fall. Gets on the court in December as a Sr about to graduate and Jr on the court).

In theory he could transfer again at the end of next season and end up on 4 teams in 5 years?
 
[quote="Happy" post=312039]Hate to see the kid transfer especially in such a bizarre fashion because depth especially for recent St john's teams has been so hard to come by. This young man will have to sit out again which makes no sense but I guess he wants to be a chief and not a ... College basketball roster makeup is so unpredictable from year to year that it is almost impossible to forecast . Ian Steere was here in a blink of an eye and now Dixon left just like that.. Hoping that Mack is the real deal at PG and Greg Williams stays and continues to improve because Eli wright has been better than advertised in practices. We will be real athletic at the guard spot but really could have used Mikey Dixon's shooting skills as well :)[/quote]

See in the day and age of kids wanting instant gratification, it makes having multiple sit out transfers make even more sense. Transfers like this prove that point. Kids are not willing to sit at the end of the bench and earn minutes and develop. It's nearly impossible to keep 13 players happy because there aren't enough minutes to go around.
 
[quote="Rob" post=312042]Wish the kid luck in his next stop but I don’t get it. Your playing on a good team with the chance to be a valued player off the bench and perhaps have a larger role next year. The caveat, of course, is that we don’t know what WIlliams, Eli and Trimble are doing at practice or what Dixon and whoever is advising the kid thinks of those guys, Mack and whoever else may be on the horizon. I guess sticking it out to earn more minutes in practice and with further development wasn’t an option.

As an aside, I think Wright may play into this decision more than some think based on what’s been said on how he’s looked so far. Clearly a talented kid that will be a more mature player than what he was at Miss St. I still think Keita practicing all year against Owens had a role in his transferring.[/quote]

I believe he was expecting or maybe promised a bigger role when he committed here. Since then, Figeroa and Heron fell in our lap, and now we have Mack and Wright coming next year. He might have seen the writing on the wall that playing time would be hard to come by.
 
Three schools in three years is a lot of transferring from an academic side as well.....
 
[quote="L J S A" post=312027][quote="Marillac" post=312002]

He doesn't have to become good, just competent enough to play 60-90 second spurts.[/quote]

I think I used to say something like this to my first girlfriend. She dumped me anyway.[/quote]

I agree with Marillac, we don't need Roberts to be 15 minute a game guy. We just need him to give us 2 minutes between the 10:00 min mark and the 5:00 min mark in the first half to ensure that we get to the second half without having Clark or Keita in too much foul trouble. All he has to do is play proficient defense and rebound.
 
[quote="Jinwoo Pae" post=312030]Respect Dixon's decision but pretty sad. He is realy a late bloomer.

I believe that bench power is the team's power, but still don't get it why
coach B.M had Rowson Mcleod sit on the bench, transfer to Duke and
start game for #3 NC out of bench..
check the staring line-up below 07:47s.
=7m47s[/quote]

Playing Charles Minlend over Roshown Mcleod was probably the worst decision Mahoney made as coach. I loved Minlend but he was nowhere near the talent level of Mcleod.
 
[quote="Moose" post=312052]Am I reading this right?

He leaves now (Jr academically, Soph on the court).

He sits out this semester and 1st semester next fall. Gets on the court in December as a Sr about to graduate and Jr on the court).

In theory he could transfer again at the end of next season and end up on 4 teams in 5 years?[/quote]

Yes. He could have also played this semester, tried to graduate in the summer or fall, and transferred as a grad transfer with eligibility remaining for the remaining 2019-2020 season and the full 2020-2021 season.

But then Steere wouldn't har his ship.
 
[quote="Room112" post=312056][quote="Happy" post=312039]Hate to see the kid transfer especially in such a bizarre fashion because depth especially for recent St john's teams has been so hard to come by. This young man will have to sit out again which makes no sense but I guess he wants to be a chief and not a ... College basketball roster makeup is so unpredictable from year to year that it is almost impossible to forecast . Ian Steere was here in a blink of an eye and now Dixon left just like that.. Hoping that Mack is the real deal at PG and Greg Williams stays and continues to improve because Eli wright has been better than advertised in practices. We will be real athletic at the guard spot but really could have used Mikey Dixon's shooting skills as well :)[/quote]

See in the day and age of kids wanting instant gratification, it makes having multiple sit out transfers make even more sense. Transfers like this prove that point. Kids are not willing to sit at the end of the bench and earn minutes and develop. It's nearly impossible to keep 13 players happy because there aren't enough minutes to go around.[/quote]

I'm fine losing 1-2 players a year if they are guys that are leaving because they lost battles for playing time. That seems to be the norm now anyway--40% of kids transfer by their soph year. 20% of those kids transfer again!

I don't fault Dixon one bit. He was too good for the MAAC, but not good enough to be a starter in the Big East. The writing was on the wall with Williams rising fast, Mack signed on for next year, and Eli Wright busting his arse in practice.

This kid has a professional career ahead of him somewhere and he has every right to bolster that resume while he can.

I'm much more bothered by transfers from kids who have big roles and are depended on--like Owens. I think that shows naivety to buy a coach's sales pitch and a lack of character in abandoning his teammates, coaches, and school.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=312021]An interesting video for those of you who don't have intimidate knowledge of the circus that happens day to day in college athletics.

At the 6:00 mark Alpha Bangura tells Jarvis he is having second thoughts on staying at St. John's. Jarvis gave him some time to think it over and then refused to let him back on the team when Alpha said he wanted back in.

My guess is that Mullin and Dixon had the first mod these talks last month.

[/quote]
Thanks for this video. Once I started watching I couldn't stop. The strange Alpha Bangura saga proves that yes things have changed but maybe not as much as we might think. Good stuff.
I also was interested in what happened to some of these guys and found this about Marcus Hatten. Since it is pretty recent (May 18) thought some might be interested.
http://www.queensledger.com/view/fu...om-basketball?instance=lead_story_left_column
 
[quote="Marillac" post=312074][quote="Room112" post=312056][quote="Happy" post=312039]Hate to see the kid transfer especially in such a bizarre fashion because depth especially for recent St john's teams has been so hard to come by. This young man will have to sit out again which makes no sense but I guess he wants to be a chief and not a ... College basketball roster makeup is so unpredictable from year to year that it is almost impossible to forecast . Ian Steere was here in a blink of an eye and now Dixon left just like that.. Hoping that Mack is the real deal at PG and Greg Williams stays and continues to improve because Eli wright has been better than advertised in practices. We will be real athletic at the guard spot but really could have used Mikey Dixon's shooting skills as well :)[/quote]

See in the day and age of kids wanting instant gratification, it makes having multiple sit out transfers make even more sense. Transfers like this prove that point. Kids are not willing to sit at the end of the bench and earn minutes and develop. It's nearly impossible to keep 13 players happy because there aren't enough minutes to go around.[/quote]

I'm fine losing 1-2 players a year if they are guys that are leaving because they lost battles for playing time. That seems to be the norm now anyway--40% of kids transfer by their soph year. 20% of those kids transfer again!

I don't fault Dixon one bit. He was too good for the MAAC, but not good enough to be a starter in the Big East. The writing was on the wall with Williams rising fast, Mack signed on for next year, and Eli Wright busting his arse in practice.

This kid has a professional career ahead of him somewhere and he has every right to bolster that resume while he can.

I'm much more bothered by transfers from kids who have big roles and are depended on--like Owens. I think that shows naivety to buy a coach's sales pitch and a lack of character in abandoning his teammates, coaches, and school.[/quote]

Tariq Owens had 4 points, 4 boards, 5 fouls in 12 minutes of play against 8-5 West Virginia the other night. They are 12-1 and we are 13-1. I have yet to see the value in his 5th year transfer over staying at SJU where he was guaranteed serious minutes this season.
 
Agree 100000% North. It never made sense to me, and I assume that there were other behind-the-scenes factors. I know his dad was the ultimate helicopter / over-involved parent, so I am sure that was it. But, he would have been a more important factor for us than he is for them (which is also true of some of the others who left or didn't come -Brooks, Wilson et al). Maybe in the future our grass will look greener than it had been looking.

But, water under the bridge. Just enjoying this very nice ride thus far.
 
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redmannorth wrote: Tariq Owens had 4 points, 4 boards, 5 fouls in 12 minutes of play against 8-5 West Virginia the other night. They are 12-1 and we are 13-1. I have yet to see the value in his 5th year transfer over staying at SJU where he was guaranteed serious minutes this season.

Agreed RMN. His stats are very comparable to those he had with us except he is playing 9 mpg less. In retrospect, have to wonder if he was worried about having to fight Keita & Clark for minutes this year versus going to TT where there is really only one other big that gets any significant minutes. With the exception of the one great game he had against (Memphis?) hasn't worked out the way he likely envisioned.
 
[quote="Jinwoo Pae" post=312030]Respect Dixon's decision but pretty sad. He is realy a late bloomer.

I believe that bench power is the team's power, but still don't get it why
coach B.M had Rowson Mcleod sit on the bench, transfer to Duke and
start game for #3 NC out of bench..
check the staring line-up below 07:47s.
=7m47s[/quote]

The McLeod transfer was a different story altogether
Mahoney was playing him at center, he wanted to be a power forward
McLeod transferred to Duke and became a very good PF for them
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=312077][quote="Marillac" post=312074][quote="Room112" post=312056][quote="Happy" post=312039]Hate to see the kid transfer especially in such a bizarre fashion because depth especially for recent St john's teams has been so hard to come by. This young man will have to sit out again which makes no sense but I guess he wants to be a chief and not a ... College basketball roster makeup is so unpredictable from year to year that it is almost impossible to forecast . Ian Steere was here in a blink of an eye and now Dixon left just like that.. Hoping that Mack is the real deal at PG and Greg Williams stays and continues to improve because Eli wright has been better than advertised in practices. We will be real athletic at the guard spot but really could have used Mikey Dixon's shooting skills as well :)[/quote]

See in the day and age of kids wanting instant gratification, it makes having multiple sit out transfers make even more sense. Transfers like this prove that point. Kids are not willing to sit at the end of the bench and earn minutes and develop. It's nearly impossible to keep 13 players happy because there aren't enough minutes to go around.[/quote]

I'm fine losing 1-2 players a year if they are guys that are leaving because they lost battles for playing time. That seems to be the norm now anyway--40% of kids transfer by their soph year. 20% of those kids transfer again!

I don't fault Dixon one bit. He was too good for the MAAC, but not good enough to be a starter in the Big East. The writing was on the wall with Williams rising fast, Mack signed on for next year, and Eli Wright busting his arse in practice.

This kid has a professional career ahead of him somewhere and he has every right to bolster that resume while he can.

I'm much more bothered by transfers from kids who have big roles and are depended on--like Owens. I think that shows naivety to buy a coach's sales pitch and a lack of character in abandoning his teammates, coaches, and school.[/quote]

Tariq Owens had 4 points, 4 boards, 5 fouls in 12 minutes of play against 8-5 West Virginia the other night. They are 12-1 and we are 13-1. I have yet to see the value in his 5th year transfer over staying at SJU where he was guaranteed serious minutes this season.[/quote]

I don't know but similar to Dixon I imagine. A perceived or real at the time opportunity that closed, wasn't taken advantage of, etc. I personally have no problem with any player that decides to transfer, regardless of circumstances. I presume Dixon realized he was never going to be an impact player at this level or for this program so who can blame him?
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=312079]redmannorth wrote: Tariq Owens had 4 points, 4 boards, 5 fouls in 12 minutes of play against 8-5 West Virginia the other night. They are 12-1 and we are 13-1. I have yet to see the value in his 5th year transfer over staying at SJU where he was guaranteed serious minutes this season.

Agreed RMN. His stats are very comparable to those he had with us except he is playing 9 mpg less. In retrospect, have to wonder if he was worried about having to fight Keita & Clark for minutes this year versus going to TT where there is really only one other big that gets any significant minutes. With the exception of the one great game he had against (Memphis?) hasn't worked out the way he likely envisioned.[/quote]

I believe that the rationale for the transfer was that Dad wanted Tariq to have a bigger role in the offense. When you added Heron to the mix of players we already had, that was never going to happen. He saw the handwriting on the wall and looked for greener pastures. But, as many have said, he is playing less time and not producing great numbers at TT. Remember, when he was a freshman at Tennessee, he hardly got off the bench and averaged around a point per game. His game developed at St John's. He would have been much better off staying for his last season.
 
It will be very interesting to see where Dixon ends up. If he is willing to be a complementary player, there may be some big time programs interested in him. But, if he wants to be the captain of the ship, he'll have to move down a level.

Maybe Quinnipiac is looking for another guard.........
 
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