Mikey Dixon Transferring

[quote="Moose" post=311840][quote="firestorm" post=311836][quote="Moose" post=311824][quote="Anthony Mattia" post=311822][quote="Moose" post=311821]:silly: :whistle:[/quote]

Do you know something you would like to share with the rest of the class?[/quote]

No I'm just saying it never fails with this place. There is ALWAYS something.

And I'm not saying Dixon is vital and important and this is a huge loss or anything like that. But its a continuous revolving door. Now looking back again I wish Greg Williams had more PT to start the year etc.[/quote]

Curious if it is "always something with this place" or "always something with 20-year-old elite athletes"?

I haven't pored over the rosters of other schools, but this may be the new reality of college hoops (after you get past the one-and-done schools). We have kids – Clark, Simon, Heron, Keita – who transferred in from good programs, so it's happening everywhere.

Under Matt's supervision, I'd say we've been winning the transfer game. I wish we could go back to the four-year model, but that may be dead and gone.[/quote]

You might be right. Transferring is an epidemic for sure. Maybe its just when we start seeing positive developments a 'negative' happens. We always seem to take 2 steps forward and 1 back a lot.

Again I quote negative because no matter how you slice it a player is leaving. A short bench got shorter. 6th in mpg gone.[/quote]

This was inevitable though unfortunately the way we've been recrutiing. I'm sure he saw the writing on the wall. He was never going to start here even next year, and has already been recruited over.

Transfers are so common place now you can't even always view them as a negative. Young kids want instant gratification and aren't always willing to take the time to develop

The only thing I'll say is the timing of this is a little strange, considering he already transferred once.
 
[quote="Moose" post=311849][quote="we are sju" post=311847][quote="Moose" post=311841][quote="Marillac" post=311839][quote="Knight" post=311831]Can Trimble be far behind?[/quote]

I'd be shocked. He's in line for 15-20 minutes the rest of the season and could earn a bigger role next season with his play when Shamorie (likely) departs.

Losing Dixon doesn't hurt at all now with Williams on the rise. Losing Trimble would be a devastating blow.[/quote]

How are losing Dixon and Trimble different in your mind. Near identical numbers across the board. No matter how you slice it a bench player is leaving.[/quote]

Trimble lacks athleticism and quickness at this level but has seemingly accepted his role and still plays hard. Dixon looked lost, disinterested and finally annoyed.
Staff clearly sees what we see in that Williams needs to play. Writing was on the wall. If this means more PT for Williams this is a big positive not a negative.
In fact:
13-1 s/b 14-0
Beat the piss out of 16th ranked team
Just got top 75 local recruit.
More PT for Williams.
Keita returned.
Worst defender in BE leaving.
Take away Seton Hall screw job and this has been best stretch for program since Lavin first year.[/quote]

No shock you chimed in here. Do you have a new favorite now?[/quote]

Became a fan in 82 as a little kid.In all that time here are the players I disliked:
Bobby Kelley. I was a little kid and all I remember was I thought I was better than him. Good thing no message board back then.

Elijah Ingram-before his cell phone camera saved the program from even worse problems I simply hated the worst looking jumper these eyes have ever seen.

Geno-UGH. I appreciate he played hard and all but that is not how the point guard position was ever supposed to be played. Ever!

Mase jr- After promising freshman year just became a chucker on a bad team. In fairness to Mase and Geno could probably put all of Norm's player except Larry Wright on my list.

Phil Greene point guard- Lavin fault. Phil was not a point guard. I exaggerated the circle thing but he really did just dribble from side to side. Phil Greene not a point guard I had no issue with.

Dixon-whom clearly the staff grew frustrated with as well.

That is the list. 6 guys in 30 some odd years.
 
I'm sure Dixon came here thinking he'd put up with being first or second guy off the bench this year with a likelihood to get starter's minutes next year. After his commitment we added Heron and Wright and have signed Mack, two of whom will definitely be here next year to play over him, not to mention Williams taking minutes from him. Totally get why he'd want to leave and wish him well.
I don't see it as a huge negative this year; so long as we stay healthy we will have a sold 8 man rotation with Keita, Williams & Trimble off the bench. It does make keeping those eight guys healthy even more important, so in that sense a negative.
 
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[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=311848]If he would have left at the end of the year he would have likely lost a full year of eligibility (his 6th). Upset he’s leaving. Wasn’t convinced like some he wasn’t going to able to contribute this year and beyond. Defense wasn’t good but I never questioned his effort. Good luck to him.[/quote]

If Dixon wanted to play in all or part of 4 college basketball seasons he had two choices, transfer now and start playing for his new team as soon as 1st semester ends in December or wait until he graduated and play immediately somewhere else as a grad transfer. 5 years to play 4 is still in effect as far as I can recall. Sitting another full year would use up one of those 5. Then again with all the changes that go on I'm probably wrong.
 
Hate to lose the depth at this point in time, but we can play 8 deep with Williams, Trimble and now Keita back. He wasn’t going to get more time moving forward. Nice offensive player but we have other kids to recruit moving forward.
 
How Kevin Williams was not starting ahead of Bobby Kelly EVERY GAME remains a mystery that only Coach C. can ever explain. It was, INSANE.
 
[quote="austour" post=311863][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=311848]If he would have left at the end of the year he would have likely lost a full year of eligibility (his 6th). Upset he’s leaving. Wasn’t convinced like some he wasn’t going to able to contribute this year and beyond. Defense wasn’t good but I never questioned his effort. Good luck to him.[/quote]

If Dixon wanted to play in all or part of 4 college basketball seasons he had two choices, transfer now and start playing for his new team as soon as 1st semester ends in December or wait until he graduated and play immediately somewhere else as a grad transfer. 5 years to play 4 is still in effect as far as I can recall. Sitting another full year would use up one of those 5. Then again with all the changes that go on I'm probably wrong.[/quote]

Yea he already used up one of those 5 last year, so another full year sitting out would mean his senior season would be his 6th in college. Leaving know he will play his senior season during his 5th year. Either way he is going to be playing less than 4 full seasons.
 
[quote="GoldenLeaf" post=311865]How Kevin Williams was not starting ahead of Bobby Kelly EVERY GAME remains a mystery that only Coach C. can ever explain. It was, INSANE.[/quote]
A huge pet peeve of mine
 
Unfortunate. But for a team that’s defensive identity is switching on everything, it was gonna be nearly impossible for him to get a lot of minutes against tough competition that can see and expose mismatches.

I wish him the best. Was really hoping it would work out here for him. But as others are saying, GWJr time
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=311858][quote="Moose" post=311856][quote="Marillac" post=311851][quote="Moose" post=311841][quote="Marillac" post=311839][quote="Knight" post=311831]Can Trimble be far behind?[/quote]

I'd be shocked. He's in line for 15-20 minutes the rest of the season and could earn a bigger role next season with his play when Shamorie (likely) departs.

Losing Dixon doesn't hurt at all now with Williams on the rise. Losing Trimble would be a devastating blow.[/quote]

How are losing Dixon and Trimble different in your mind. Near identical numbers across the board. No matter how you slice it a bench player is leaving.[/quote]

Losing Trimble now AFTER losing Dixon would be devastating. We don't have the depth to lose two guys.

If given a choice, I would have picked to retain Trimble. He can guard 4 positions and he doesn't have mental lapses. Dixon can't guard any positions and he has demonstrated a low IQ all year.[/quote]

That makes sense.
I wouldn't say he had a low IQ. He didnt turn ball over. He struggled defensively for sure. Trimble isn't exactly a world beater on defense either though. And Dixon was the better player on offense.[/quote]

Plus 1. Waiting to hear the 4 postitions Trimble can “guard”[/quote]

Trimble can guard the 2 and 3 well and he can keep the 1 and 4 honest. Compared to Dixon he is Gary Payton.
I cut Dixon some slack to start the year since it was his first experience in major college ball and his first season with this group, but his painfully slow reactions on defense became inexcusable over the last few weeks. On offense he was a good potential spark plug. I bet there will be situations we can use that this year.

Williams looks as sharp as can be as a true freshman with less minutes. He just processes things faster. I saw Williams get caught way to low in the paint and realize his mistake and get out to his man waiting on the perimeter for a set shot in time to close out very nicely against Marquette. Dixon would have realized that with the pass almost touching the shooters hand and 10 feet away.
 
If we had to lose one player out of the top 10 who are playing, then Dixon would've been my choice.

In order of importance (some can certainly be moved up or down a few spots):
1. Ponds
2. Heron
3. Clark
4. LJ
5. Simon
6. Keita
7. Williams
8. Trimble
9. Roberts (for depth)
10. Dixon

Just have to hope we don't have too many injuries, but aside from that I don't see it as a big loss.

Still, not great to lose depth mid-season.
 
Another reason why this loss sucks is because you lose the only other player who can put the pull on the floor as a Point Guard.
 
[quote="AlBovino" post=311862]Maybe Heron is staying for his senior year?[/quote]

I hope that’s a factor in this
 
Will Dixon lose an entire semester of eligibility because he played against Seton Hall and Marquette ?

If so, he should stick around for this semester because he can gain experience through squad practices and any prospective school may view him as a non team player.

.
 
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[quote="otis" post=311875]Will Dixon lose an entire semester of eligibility because he played against Seton Hall and Marquette ?

If so, he should stick around for this semester because he can gain experience through squad practices and any prospective school may view him as a non team player.

.[/quote]

It depends on when the school semester starts so since no schools are back in session no.
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=311872]Another reason why this loss sucks is because you lose the only other player who can put the pull on the floor as a Point Guard.[/quote]

We've got six guys that can get to the basket in the half court: Ponds, Heron, LJ, Williams, Simon, and Clark. I'd definitely prefer a tough NYC backup PG like Boothe behind Ponds for sure, but Dixon wasn't that kind of player.

I think Williams can get to the hoop every bit as well as Dixon and he can play much better D. Dixon's shot could have been really important, though. 43% and it looked every bit as good as the %.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=311877][quote="Sju grad 13" post=311872]Another reason why this loss sucks is because you lose the only other player who can put the pull on the floor as a Point Guard.[/quote]

We've got six guys that can get to the basket in the half court: Ponds, Heron, LJ, Williams, Simon, and Clark. I'd definitely prefer a tough NYC backup PG like Boothe behind Ponds for sure, but Dixon wasn't that kind of player.

I think Williams can get to the hoop every bit as well as Dixon and he can play much better D. Dixon's shot could have been really important, though. 43% and it looked every bit as good as the %.[/quote]

Also no one knows how eli wright has looked in practices. Maybe he sees that and GW jr and saw writing on the wall.
 
[quote="AlBovino" post=311862]Maybe Heron is staying for his senior year?[/quote]

Great question, Al.
Although it seems too early for even Heron to know his options, just maybe, that's the 'inside' spin.
 
[quote="GoldenLeaf" post=311865]How Kevin Williams was not starting ahead of Bobby Kelly EVERY GAME remains a mystery that only Coach C. can ever explain. It was, INSANE.[/quote]

I have posted this before but when I was a kid I was a ball boy for a USBL team. Kevin Williams was the best player in a league with a bunch of guys that played in the pros. Hot Rod Williams was on Williams team. However Williams was an angry dude and not really a point guard.
But even with all that yes I agree and my 10year old self STRONGLY agreed with you.
 
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