Mid Season Report Card


Honest two part question for you and anyone else who might consider Lavin a failure at this point

Did SJU make the right hire 4 years ago

And if not realistically who would you have rather seen as coach.
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He was the best hire at the time. He gave us the instant shot in the arm that we needed. We all hoped that he had grown as a game coach(except for those who refused to acknowledge that he was a poor game coach) since his days at UCLA. Based on most of our observations, he has not. I am not optimistic that he ever will. While we are lights years ahead of where we were under Norm, but I just don't feel that Lavin will ever bring us back to being a consistent top 25/tourny team as we were under Louie and through most of the 90's.

That's fair. And I might actually agree with your prediction.

If more people say that its fine. But for people to pull out random names is where I call BS. We shot for Billy D and were rebuffed. We thought we had Hewitt until his wife got cold feet. Lavin saw how much we were willing to pay Billy D and Hewitt and interest was peaked. Otherwise we were looking at someone like Al Skinner.

Billy D's salary has been $3 million plus for some time, and Florida has no staorte income tax, while NYS is 10% with a much higher cost of living. Did SJU offer him in that range to entice him? If we had $3 million plus to spend, then you are in elite category, plus, there are only a handful of coaches earning that much. Lavin went for less than $1.5.

I guess you get what you pay for
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Most are disappointed in the season thus far. We shoot 28% in the 2nd 1/2 against Xavier Without 3-4 shooters in the rotation we have.a problem. Yes coach is a good recruiter but perhaps his eye for the talent we deeded should have been focused more on kids and could really shoot and offset by others of size and length How many teams can we really say in the big that we definitely beat None I can think of Hope something happens soon Hope we start with Georgetown
 

Honest two part question for you and anyone else who might consider Lavin a failure at this point

Did SJU make the right hire 4 years ago

And if not realistically who would you have rather seen as coach.

He was the best hire at the time. He gave us the instant shot in the arm that we needed. We all hoped that he had grown as a game coach(except for those who refused to acknowledge that he was a poor game coach) since his days at UCLA. Based on most of our observations, he has not. I am not optimistic that he ever will. While we are lights years ahead of where we were under Norm, but I just don't feel that Lavin will ever bring us back to being a consistent top 25/tourny team as we were under Louie and through most of the 90's.

That's fair. And I might actually agree with your prediction.

If more people say that its fine. But for people to pull out random names is where I call BS. We shot for Billy D and were rebuffed. We thought we had Hewitt until his wife got cold feet. Lavin saw how much we were willing to pay Billy D and Hewitt and interest was peaked. Otherwise we were looking at someone like Al Skinner.

Billy D's salary has been $3 million plus for some time, and Florida has no state income tax, while NYS is 10% with a much higher cost of living. Did SJU offer him in that range to entice him? If we had $3 million plus to spend, then you are in elite category, plus, there are only a handful of coaches earning that much. Lavin went for less than $1.5.

We offered his FLA salary. But like you pointed out tax and cost of living. Lavin is in the 1.5-1.7 range. But remember our assistants are highest in the Big East supposedly. I mean they were when Dunlap was here
 
He did a great job with the Hardy NCAA team until the Gonzaga game when it became apparent he had no answer from the bench on what Mark Few was doing to contain Hardy.

Only Dinkins and a few other homers can remotely believe this team is well coached in fundamentals..

And, Recruiting has dried up for the future. Other than Jordan. The guys Lavin Coaches against and recruits against all know he can't Coach and don't think they forget to tell that to prime recruits?

Louie won for many years without the best talent because he had a system, a simple one that players without NBA skills could execute and win.. When he did get talent he molded it into his style, even with Mullin and Berry, Jackson.. Yeah, he would often get out coached in a big game but, overall, he won.

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Lavin did a great job, but we got star-crossed when Kennedy blew out his knee leading the NCAA Selection committee to give us a tougher first round game than we would have had if Kennedy was healthy. This is no time to rewrite history.

There's nothing wrong with the fundamentals. Other than Harrison's turn around, no one other than Bourgault/Hooper and the up and coming Jordan can shoot. Sampson is inconsistant and the others are borderline pathetic. You must score to win. You need five players in double figures every game to dominate. That's what Jarvis had the last years anyone was afraid of us.

I'm not so sure recruiting has dried up. Lavin is showcasing talent for the next level. More than one will get there. Recruits are watching.

Looie won, but what? One final four in a quarter century and no National Championships. That's the disappointing part. We were hoping Lavin was another Calipari. Instead, he's another Looie.
 
Looie vs. Calipari. If all you measure is NC's and wins you may get one answer and if you start to measure other stuff including benefit to his players, you might get another. I have no tolerance for coaches who throw their players under the bus.
 
There was a reason why Lavin was at ESPN for all those years.. If schools thought he was a good Coach , after UCLA, they would have Re-cycled him for their school.

The word was out for a long time in Basketball circles, not just the UCLA fans, that Steve could not win , even if he had Kobe on his Bruin Teams. Sure he took top 5 talent to sweet 16's and elite 8's but, he was expected to win titles not finish decently.

Lavin was a name get, because everyone knew him him from his analyst gig.. At the time, I believe most of us were quite pleased with the hire because he did have Name Recognition.

He did a great job with the Hardy NCAA team until the Gonzaga game when it became apparent he had no answer from the bench on what Mark Few was doing to contain Hardy.

For those who think Keady had any role in recruiting/ Coaching these current players, think again. Other than Jordan, not one of our players would have played for Gene at Purdue. They have none of the skills his team's were famous for, defense, rebounding and SHOOTING. Some may think they have great individual talent but, this is a team game, not one on one basketball. Lavin hasn't accomplished team basketball, at all. Gene must muzzle himself with the Double Makers Mark before the games.. The Keady HOF Coach, would not have allowed his players to often perform so ineffectively as this group does. He would have scoured the cornfields of Indiana to get 5 kids who could shoot a jumper, not leap over the barn.

Only Dinkins and a few other homers can remotely believe this team is well coached in fundamentals..After 3 years wouldn't you expect more?

And, Recruiting has dried up for the future. Other than Jordan. The guys Lavin Coaches against and recruits against all know he can't Coach and don't think they forget to tell that to prime recruits?

Louie won for many years without the best talent because he had a system, a simple one that players without NBA skills could execute and win.. When he did get talent he molded it into his style, even with Mullin and Berry, Jackson.. Yeah, he would often get out coached in a big game but, overall, he won.

And, for those comparing Sampson to Berry and their assists, please stop.. Walter Berry scored in the low post on everyone he played against, Ewing, Pinckney, etc, who cares if the ball never came out when he got it down low. Sampson in no Berry.

For over 3 years we've waited for this team, constructed solely by Lavin himself, to blossom, once they got experience. Well, we're still waiting..The whole is definitely less than the parts.

The yardstick to measure Lavin against this year is the NCAA BID. If it doesn't happen, I'm not sure he's earned a contract renewal yet, with 1 year to go. Maybe his heart isn't in the Game like it was before his illness?. Who's to say? Maybe he, wife want back to Hollywood? This weekend's snow may kindle that thought.

Ahhhhh! The moron speaketh.

Always going out of your way to call me out. Not to mention, putting words into my mouth (which, you've done a couple of other times).

The same dribble out of you each time you place your fingers on the keyboard to post on Redmen. You're a miserable bore.

As, far as recruiting goes.... How come we're in prime position, if not the frontrunner, for kids like Diallo and Briscoe? Keep fabricating things to fit your silly arse agenda. I know everything isn't rosey for the Johnnies, but I'm not gonna complain at every turn. Keep posting foolishness, as I'll continue to break my proverbial foot off in your keister.
 
Sadly, as always Dinkostein.. You miss the point of discussing basketball..

Don't attempt to play that card, fool! I'm smart enough to know better.

You went out of your way to call me out, so I responded in a way that you deserved.

Besides, what are you discussing, other than the same drivel you've posted many other times? Basically, spamming the board.
 
He did a great job with the Hardy NCAA team until the Gonzaga game when it became apparent he had no answer from the bench on what Mark Few was doing to contain Hardy.

Only Dinkins and a few other homers can remotely believe this team is well coached in fundamentals..

And, Recruiting has dried up for the future. Other than Jordan. The guys Lavin Coaches against and recruits against all know he can't Coach and don't think they forget to tell that to prime recruits?

Louie won for many years without the best talent because he had a system, a simple one that players without NBA skills could execute and win.. When he did get talent he molded it into his style, even with Mullin and Berry, Jackson.. Yeah, he would often get out coached in a big game but, overall, he won.

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Lavin did a great job, but we got star-crossed when Kennedy blew out his knee leading the NCAA Selection committee to give us a tougher first round game than we would have had if Kennedy was healthy. This is no time to rewrite history.

There's nothing wrong with the fundamentals. Other than Harrison's turn around, no one other than Bourgault/Hooper and the up and coming Jordan can shoot. Sampson is inconsistant and the others are borderline pathetic. You must score to win. You need five players in double figures every game to dominate. That's what Jarvis had the last years anyone was afraid of us.

I'm not so sure recruiting has dried up. Lavin is showcasing talent for the next level. More than one will get there. Recruits are watching.

Looie won, but what? One final four in a quarter century and no National Championships. That's the disappointing part. We were hoping Lavin was another Calipari. Instead, he's another Looie.


Coaching the talent for the team's success, not their NBA careers, is what's lacking. Pre-season, all the pundits, were saying this might be the most talented team in the Big East. yada, yada, yada.

A 9-4 record at this point, with a road loss at Xav, G'TOWN in DC coming up, has shown little has been done with the talent in a team game, not 1 on 1 basketball.

And, what would have happened in 85 if NOva-G'town was the semi final game and we played Memphis in the other? We beat the CATS 3 times that year.
 
Sadly, as always Dinkostein.. You miss the point of discussing basketball..

Don't attempt to play that card, fool! I'm smart enough to know better.

You went out of your way to call me out, so I responded in a way that you deserved.

Besides, what are you discussing, other than the same drivel you've posted many other times? Basically, spamming the board.

You're really quite emotional, at your core, aren't you? Immature but, emotional.. Those who proclaim self professed "smarts," rarely possess that quality..

But, if you are a reasonable person, doubtful though that may be, I will refrain from any commentary on your posts for 2014 and beyond, if you can refrain from your usual foul mouthed commentary on mine...
Countless posters have requested you to do so previously but, maybe you're not up to it?

That's your gauntlet for the NEW YEAR..
 
Sadly, as always Dinkostein.. You miss the point of discussing basketball..

Don't attempt to play that card, fool! I'm smart enough to know better.

You went out of your way to call me out, so I responded in a way that you deserved.

Besides, what are you discussing, other than the same drivel you've posted many other times? Basically, spamming the board.

You're really quite emotional, at your core, aren't you? Immature but, emotional.. Those who proclaim self professed "smarts," rarely possess that quality..

But, if you are a reasonable person, doubtful though that may be, I will refrain from any commentary on your posts for 2014 and beyond, if you can refrain from your usual foul mouthed commentary on mine...
Countless posters have requested you to do so previously but, maybe you're not up to it?

That's your gauntlet for the NEW YEAR..

LOL

Too bad your quote fell short of the intended target. Not to mention, based on your posting history, you've done a good job of describing yourself, per your quote.

You're also a hypocrite and tend to contradict yourself. But I'm guessing you wasn't aware of that either, huh? No problem. I'd expect nothing less from a dullard.

Countless posters, huh (LOL)? More exaggeration from you, in your relentless pursuit to bring others into your foray of making MJD the bad guy. Keep trying.... "The Little Engine That Could" kept at it.

I'll post how I feel to any of your commentary. If you post objectively, then I'll post accordingly. If you continue to post foolishness, then I'll continue to post accordingly.

Throw that down!
 
Since Norm was here we've had an over-abundance of guards. That has continued under Lavin and he has failed to sign anyone even remotely equal to Burrell and Evans to shore up the middle. Obekpa may never get there and the combo of Sanchez, Sampson and Achiuwa gets pushed around by anyone their size or better. The Xavier guy looked like a bar league guy but he dominated our super athletes like there was a six pack at stake. Once again Every opponent we've seen has a center but us. Why is that? We could also use a speedy six footer but that's too much to ask. Meanwhile the luster keeps coming off Lavin with each lousy effort. If he wants to be welcome back on TV where he belongs, he'd better get his act together very soon. Overall with our flawed roster we're doing about as well as you could expect. Starting Achiuwa was a joke. At least we should go with our five best while the season is still viable..The ten guy syndrome isn't cutting it and all it's doing is adding confusion to an already messed up lineup.
 
Lavin [..]has failed to sign anyone even remotely equal to Burrell and Evans to shore up the middle.

Really? That's your point of comparison?
I would love a 7footer with skill, as well, but they don't grow on trees. We rarely ever signed 6'8 athletic guys with skill before, we left that up to Cuse, UCONN, and Nova. Give me Harkless or Sampson every day over JB. And I liked Burrell.

Evans was no better than Gift. Get over it. The roster may be flawed, but not in the way you are suggesting.
 
Lavin [..]has failed to sign anyone even remotely equal to Burrell and Evans to shore up the middle.

Really? That's your point of comparison?
I would love a 7footer with skill, as well, but they don't grow on trees. We rarely ever signed 6'8 athletic guys with skill before, we left that up to Cuse, UCONN, and Nova. Give me Harkless or Sampson every day over JB. And I liked Burrell.

Evans was no better than Gift. Get over it. The roster may be flawed, but not in the way you are suggesting.
Evans averaged 10 ppg and 7 boards as a soph. After the Duke game do you really think Lavin thought Gift was better than Evans? If so you're nuts.
 
Lavin [..]has failed to sign anyone even remotely equal to Burrell and Evans to shore up the middle.

Really? That's your point of comparison?
I would love a 7footer with skill, as well, but they don't grow on trees. We rarely ever signed 6'8 athletic guys with skill before, we left that up to Cuse, UCONN, and Nova. Give me Harkless or Sampson every day over JB. And I liked Burrell.

Evans was no better than Gift. Get over it. The roster may be flawed, but not in the way you are suggesting.
Evans averaged 10 ppg and 7 boards as a soph. After the Duke game do you really think Lavin thought Gift was better than Evans? If so you're nuts.

I'm the last person on here who would be considered a fan of Gift, so no; I do not think he is better than Evans.
But I do think a saving grace is that by and large Gift knows what he is not. Evans thought he could handle the ball proficiently, and because he attempted to do this on a regular basis, he was a bigger detriment to the team despite having slightly more skill than GG.
 
http://zagsblog.com/st-johns/for-st-johns-0-1-in-big-east-could-quickly-become-0-3/

And if anyone was interested in knowing what PC thinks about us:http://friartownhoops.proboards.com/thread/3178/big-east

Love this quote: "if they are 0-3 their fans will go beserk"

He must be a reader of RM.com. We, collectively, are already full blown Billy Bibbit at 0-1.

A road win over the Hoya's is the only cure - which is more realistic than a win at X ever was.
 
Lavin [..]has failed to sign anyone even remotely equal to Burrell and Evans to shore up the middle.

Really? That's your point of comparison?
I would love a 7footer with skill, as well, but they don't grow on trees. We rarely ever signed 6'8 athletic guys with skill before, we left that up to Cuse, UCONN, and Nova. Give me Harkless or Sampson every day over JB. And I liked Burrell.

Evans was no better than Gift. Get over it. The roster may be flawed, but not in the way you are suggesting.
Evans averaged 10 ppg and 7 boards as a soph. After the Duke game do you really think Lavin thought Gift was better than Evans? If so you're nuts.

Amazing how you cannot remember that Evans didn't box out once in his entire times here, that he couldn't shoot worth a lick, was not a good man on man defender and roamed out of position in the zone, and that there has never been a more out of control Johnny tearing off on the break dribbling upcourt with his head down like a madman. Of course, Norm ignored these little deficiencies too. HE probably missed all these assignment sin football as well, and if he were that undisciplined on the gridiron is a good explanation as to why he played basketball.
 
Lavin [..]has failed to sign anyone even remotely equal to Burrell and Evans to shore up the middle.

Really? That's your point of comparison?
I would love a 7footer with skill, as well, but they don't grow on trees. We rarely ever signed 6'8 athletic guys with skill before, we left that up to Cuse, UCONN, and Nova. Give me Harkless or Sampson every day over JB. And I liked Burrell.

Evans was no better than Gift. Get over it. The roster may be flawed, but not in the way you are suggesting.
Evans averaged 10 ppg and 7 boards as a soph. After the Duke game do you really think Lavin thought Gift was better than Evans? If so you're nuts.

Amazing how you cannot remember that Evans didn't box out once in his entire times here, that he couldn't shoot worth a lick, was not a good man on man defender and roamed out of position in the zone, and that there has never been a more out of control Johnny tearing off on the break dribbling upcourt with his head down like a madman. Of course, Norm ignored these little deficiencies too. HE probably missed all these assignment sin football as well, and if he were that undisciplined on the gridiron is a good explanation as to why he played basketball.



Yeah, but he looked good in the Warmups.. Beastie, you forgot Sean's foul shooting..
 
Lavin [..]has failed to sign anyone even remotely equal to Burrell and Evans to shore up the middle.

Really? That's your point of comparison?
I would love a 7footer with skill, as well, but they don't grow on trees. We rarely ever signed 6'8 athletic guys with skill before, we left that up to Cuse, UCONN, and Nova. Give me Harkless or Sampson every day over JB. And I liked Burrell.

Evans was no better than Gift. Get over it. The roster may be flawed, but not in the way you are suggesting.
Evans averaged 10 ppg and 7 boards as a soph. After the Duke game do you really think Lavin thought Gift was better than Evans? If so you're nuts.

Amazing how you cannot remember that Evans didn't box out once in his entire times here, that he couldn't shoot worth a lick, was not a good man on man defender and roamed out of position in the zone, and that there has never been a more out of control Johnny tearing off on the break dribbling upcourt with his head down like a madman. Of course, Norm ignored these little deficiencies too. HE probably missed all these assignment sin football as well, and if he were that undisciplined on the gridiron is a good explanation as to why he played basketball.



Yeah, but he looked good in the Warmups.. Beastie, you forgot Sean's foul shooting..

Actually I didn't. I was waiting for a retort that Sean shot 50% from the field, therefore is a good shooter. I was then going to point out that he shot 50% from the FT line also. Thanks for pointing this out here. I just didn't want to fire all my bullets at once.

On the plus side, Sean seemed like a really great kid, a team oriented guy, and there wasn't a guy on that squad I would want protecting me more on the subway at 2 AM. :)

Please up my kharma. It's shameless I know, but I deserve better :)
 
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