McGriff Redshirting - Shoulder Surgery

I am not sure we can compare a kid like McGriff getting hurt to the numbers around pro athletes. McGriff injury is just unfortunate luck. I (personal opinion) think some of the college players play too much. I mean they seem to be playing, practicing year round. I was hearing about players playing on this site in July. Heron and LJ amongst them.

The pro athlete numbers have been skewed by the difference in thinking today of playing hurt and being injured. For a variety of reasons, financial being the biggest, pro athletes do not benefit themselves when they play when they are not “100%”. Think of arbitration cases where the team says well last season you hit only .280. Last year you hit .300. The players response is I played with a bad knee.

Football players have a similar mindset. For example Davante Adams of the Packers has been out 3 weeks with “turf toe”. He has stated until he feels almost 100% he will not play. Years ago he would have been laughed out of the league. Today people recognize that this is not a “minor” injury but much more difficult to recover from. In the past, said player would limp through the rest of the season and Management and fans would question his fall in production. Agents are all over this.
 
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Hoping he makes a speedy and full recovery. On the plus side it will give him a chance to hit the books hard and stack up some credits without the pressure of playing a 2 semester sport. He must be devastated, but the shoulder enures less stress than some other sports so I'm guessing the prognosis will be good.

Best to him.
 
The kid just had a dévasting injury and prognosis and posters are speculating about his transfer. SMH. Can’t we all show the kid a little class, wish him well like Beast did and move on ?
Is that so hard.
I have no doubt that the players read this board.
 
Yes hope he has a complete recovery I know staff will be behind all it’s players. Looking forward to see him on the court
 
[quote="redmanwest" post=360160]My own personal opinion in some sports (pro particularly) is that the training regimen today creates muscles, tendons, etc. that are too tight and too subject to rupture and other injury. I guess the strength allows them to run faster, jump higher, hit the ball further etc., but I think it also stresses their muscles, joints etc. to the point that injuries are more susceptible. I am not a doctor, but I too perceive what you've noted, and also note that the star athletes of decades ago did not have the same mass or muscle tone as these guys. The pitchers have the added factor of max effort on almost every pitch, the plethora of breaking balls that contort the arm etc.[/quote]
You make some excellent points but have to disagree with the one about a plethora of breaking balls. Seems like everybody throws 100 mph today and that there were only a handful of flame throwers years ago. Do agree that they throw with max effort on every pitch nowadays whereas they pitched with much more finesse years ago.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=360167]I am not sure we can compare a kid like McGriff getting hurt to the numbers around pro athletes. McGriff injury is just unfortunate luck. I (personal opinion) think some of the college players play too much. I mean they seem to be playing, practicing year round. I was hearing about players playing on this site in July. Heron and LJ amongst them.

The pro athlete numbers have been skewed by the difference in thinking today of playing hurt and being injured. For a variety of reasons, financial being the biggest, pro athletes do not benefit themselves when they play when they are not “100%”. Think of arbitration cases where the team says well last season you hit only .280. Last year you hit .300. The players response is I played with a bad knee.

Football players have a similar mindset. For example Davante Adams of the Packers has been out 3 weeks with “turf toe”. He has stated until he feels almost 100% he will not play. Years ago he would have been laughed out of the league. Today people recognize that this is not a “minor” injury but much more difficult to recover from. In the past, said player would limp through the rest of the season and Management and fans would question his fall in production. Agents are all over this.[/quote]
Many great points made but just one issue with your point about "turf toe". While it may sound like a benign injury it can be quite serious especially for a WR a position that relies on running hard and making cuts. For years it has caused players to miss significant time.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=360176]The kid just had a dévasting injury and prognosis and posters are speculating about his transfer. SMH. Can’t we all show the kid a little class, wish him well like Beast did and move on ?
Is that so hard.
I have no doubt that the players read this board.[/quote]

Amen to that. The kid was the first to commit and he deserves every chance he gets to get on the court wearing red and white. Hope he has a successful procedure and comes back stronger than ever.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=360182][quote="redmanwest" post=360160]My own personal opinion in some sports (pro particularly) is that the training regimen today creates muscles, tendons, etc. that are too tight and too subject to rupture and other injury. I guess the strength allows them to run faster, jump higher, hit the ball further etc., but I think it also stresses their muscles, joints etc. to the point that injuries are more susceptible. I am not a doctor, but I too perceive what you've noted, and also note that the star athletes of decades ago did not have the same mass or muscle tone as these guys. The pitchers have the added factor of max effort on almost every pitch, the plethora of breaking balls that contort the arm etc.[/quote]
You make some excellent points but have to disagree with the one about a plethora of breaking balls. Seems like everybody throws 100 mph today and that there were only a handful of flame throwers years ago. Do agree that they throw with max effort on every pitch nowadays whereas they pitched with much more finesse years ago.[/quote]

Darling makes that point. He says most guys could dial it up in his era, but today guys throw as hard as they can from pitch #1 for as long as they can. That's why they are gassed at around 100 pitches, whereas in Darlings era there were less strikeouts but more complete games.
 
Good Post , Beast . Regarding pitching , the GOAT Met, Tom Seaver , was a League leading Strike Out pitcher , who threw very hard . He also threw a lot of Innings and won 311 Games in his HOF career. Tom Terrific didn’t come out of Games because of Pitch Count and turn it over to some 6, 7 , 8 or 9 innings Closer are to lose the Game for him . Which is why he won over 300 games . Today’s Starters might not win 100 games in their Careers due to the trend to go to the Bull Pen after giving up a Walk or Single . I think it was Smoltz who said last night that only Verlander , Sabathia and Greinke among today’s Pitchers are locks for the HOF as they are the Winningest Active pitchers still playing today . Pretty soon , their won’t be any distinction between starters and relievers and we are close to that now . As for injuries , I don’t recall Seaver, Bob Gibson , Warren Spahn , Whitey Ford , Greg Maddox, Tom Glavine and Smoltz having much Arm trouble . Like many have already said , you don’t want want your Pitchers to have Muscle tone like Linebackers .
 
[quote="bamafan" post=360183][quote="sjc88" post=360167]I am not sure we can compare a kid like McGriff getting hurt to the numbers around pro athletes. McGriff injury is just unfortunate luck. I (personal opinion) think some of the college players play too much. I mean they seem to be playing, practicing year round. I was hearing about players playing on this site in July. Heron and LJ amongst them.

The pro athlete numbers have been skewed by the difference in thinking today of playing hurt and being injured. For a variety of reasons, financial being the biggest, pro athletes do not benefit themselves when they play when they are not “100%”. Think of arbitration cases where the team says well last season you hit only .280. Last year you hit .300. The players response is I played with a bad knee.

Football players have a similar mindset. For example Davante Adams of the Packers has been out 3 weeks with “turf toe”. He has stated until he feels almost 100% he will not play. Years ago he would have been laughed out of the league. Today people recognize that this is not a “minor” injury but much more difficult to recover from. In the past, said player would limp through the rest of the season and Management and fans would question his fall in production. Agents are all over this.[/quote]
Many great points made but just one issue with your point about "turf toe". While it may sound like a benign injury it can be quite serious especially for a WR a position that relies on running hard and making cuts. For years it has caused players to miss significant time.[/quote]

I agree. That is why I said today we recognize that this is not a “minor” injury. My point is many years ago player would push through the injury to their detriment. Think about Lombardi or Parcells reaction if a guy missed significant time with that injury. Not saying I agree or disagree but thinking has changed significantly. Same as concussions.
 
Good luck to John on his surgery. Hope he sees this as a new beginning not the end of things. The surgery and post op therapy has really improved over the years. If you do the therapy the way CMA instills commitment to practice, you will be back better than ever.
 
[quote="redmanwest" post=360160]My own personal opinion in some sports (pro particularly) is that the training regimen today creates muscles, tendons, etc. that are too tight and too subject to rupture and other injury. I guess the strength allows them to run faster, jump higher, hit the ball further etc., but I think it also stresses their muscles, joints etc. to the point that injuries are more susceptible. I am not a doctor, but I too perceive what you've noted, and also note that the star athletes of decades ago did not have the same mass or muscle tone as these guys. The pitchers have the added factor of max effort on almost every pitch, the plethora of breaking balls that contort the arm etc.[/quote]
Also it has to do with the amount of games these kids play even before high school. Some of these athletes are playing year round since they were young kids. You have adults making profits off these kids like they are pros with some of these travel teams. Also parents should avoid specializing their children in one sport while they are young. It puts unnecessary stress on the muscles or joints that they use for that particular sport over time. Back in the the day it wasnt as extreme as it is now.
 
[quote="Dan V" post=360228][quote="redmanwest" post=360160]My own personal opinion in some sports (pro particularly) is that the training regimen today creates muscles, tendons, etc. that are too tight and too subject to rupture and other injury. I guess the strength allows them to run faster, jump higher, hit the ball further etc., but I think it also stresses their muscles, joints etc. to the point that injuries are more susceptible. I am not a doctor, but I too perceive what you've noted, and also note that the star athletes of decades ago did not have the same mass or muscle tone as these guys. The pitchers have the added factor of max effort on almost every pitch, the plethora of breaking balls that contort the arm etc.[/quote]
Also it has to do with the amount of games these kids play even before high school. Some of these athletes are playing year round since they were young kids. You have adults making profits off these kids like they are pros with some of these travel teams. Also parents should avoid specializing their children in one sport while they are young. It puts unnecessary stress on the muscles or joints that they use for that particular sport over time. Back in the the day it wasnt as extreme as it is now.[/quote]

You nailed it, 100%.
 
Looks like a kid who is preparing to compete for a job. Good for him. If he is better then Posh, fire him up as the starting pg.
 
Competition for starting point guard should be intense next season.

CMA will probably play Posh and McGriff. Just like he did with Rutherford and Dunn last season.

I'm curious to see how Dunn is used next season. I think he will start and play over 20 minutes.
 
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[quote="James Ray Lamb" post=383097]
...... I'm curious to see how Dunn is used next season. I think he will start and play over 20 minutes.[/quote]
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Rasheem Dunn is a warrior. He is focused.

Absent injury Rasheed will be a major part of CMA's rotation.
 
Dunn may be a warrior. He may be motivated. he may be a hard worker, and he may be a great kid. What he is not is an efficient and effective basketball player.
 
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