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Not to mention that transfers have already shown what they can do at this level, are experienced, and the age difference often adds strength. Much less of a crap shoot than recruiting a hs player.
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=287429]Not to mention that transfers have already shown what they can do at this level, are experienced, and the age difference often adds strength. Much less of a crap shoot than recruiting a hs player.[/quote]
Not sure facts support this thesis. First off in many cases the transfers SJU are getting have not proven anything yet. They have very ordinary numbers. And the ones that have decent numbers have done it on a much lower level. I mean Mikey Dixon and Caraher have not played at a high major level, not even close.
Furthermore if this was such a slam dunk strategy then why isn't everyone doing It? I mean why would Duke go after RJ Barrett if they could land a "proven" talent like David Caraher?
Not sure facts support this thesis. First off in many cases the transfers SJU are getting have not proven anything yet. They have very ordinary numbers. And the ones that have decent numbers have done it on a much lower level. I mean Mikey Dixon and Caraher have not played at a high major level, not even close.
Furthermore if this was such a slam dunk strategy then why isn't everyone doing It? I mean why would Duke go after RJ Barrett if they could land a "proven" talent like David Caraher?
Like most things, it depends.
The transfer ‘strategy’ is a tool, best used selectively to fill specific needs a HS recruiting cycle hasn’t provided.
We’ve used it in sync with—roughly equal to —recruiting HS kids.
St. John’s has been a mediocre program for most of the past 3 decades and hasn’t had the ‘glow’ factor to most high 4*/ 5* HS targets.
Most of the transfers we’ve recruited successfully the past 2 years were 4*s out of HS—with an occasional 5* (Simon, Heron), while most HS kids we recruited were 3*s / 4*s.
Transfers ‘transfer’ out of frustration with their ‘first’ choice—either PT or a desire for a bigger stage (Dixon, Caraher).
If Heron plays, we’re loaded for 2018-19, and have guys ready to contribute in 2019-20.
Caraher was a 3*/4* out of HS who has been described as a ‘defensive rebounding machine’ and was recruited by Butler, VA, Wake Forest, and Clemson.
He decommitted from Butler due to a coaching change, and prospered at Houston Baptist.
Dixon was MEAC freshman of the year and desired a bigger stage.
Eli Wright was a high 4* and was frustrated, I think, by both lack of PT and Howland’s slow wagon-train mentality.
We shall see, but things are looking good for St. John’s, and a stellar season in 2018-19 may well restore our ‘glow factor’ to major HS recruits.
The transfer ‘strategy’ is a tool, best used selectively to fill specific needs a HS recruiting cycle hasn’t provided.
We’ve used it in sync with—roughly equal to —recruiting HS kids.
St. John’s has been a mediocre program for most of the past 3 decades and hasn’t had the ‘glow’ factor to most high 4*/ 5* HS targets.
Most of the transfers we’ve recruited successfully the past 2 years were 4*s out of HS—with an occasional 5* (Simon, Heron), while most HS kids we recruited were 3*s / 4*s.
Transfers ‘transfer’ out of frustration with their ‘first’ choice—either PT or a desire for a bigger stage (Dixon, Caraher).
If Heron plays, we’re loaded for 2018-19, and have guys ready to contribute in 2019-20.
Caraher was a 3*/4* out of HS who has been described as a ‘defensive rebounding machine’ and was recruited by Butler, VA, Wake Forest, and Clemson.
He decommitted from Butler due to a coaching change, and prospered at Houston Baptist.
Dixon was MEAC freshman of the year and desired a bigger stage.
Eli Wright was a high 4* and was frustrated, I think, by both lack of PT and Howland’s slow wagon-train mentality.
We shall see, but things are looking good for St. John’s, and a stellar season in 2018-19 may well restore our ‘glow factor’ to major HS recruits.
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[quote="fordham96" post=287431][
I mean why would Duke go after RJ Barrett if they could land a "proven" talent like David Caraher?[/quote]
Fordham ... I don;t disagree with most of what you said above in your post.
IMO the best thing for Caraher, Dixon, and Keita is that the "sit out year" allows them to mature and in Caraher and Dixon's case get acquainted with a faster more physical brand of basketball.
Hopefully the transfer route will bring more wins and result in better scholastic recruiting.
I mean why would Duke go after RJ Barrett if they could land a "proven" talent like David Caraher?[/quote]
Fordham ... I don;t disagree with most of what you said above in your post.
IMO the best thing for Caraher, Dixon, and Keita is that the "sit out year" allows them to mature and in Caraher and Dixon's case get acquainted with a faster more physical brand of basketball.
Hopefully the transfer route will bring more wins and result in better scholastic recruiting.
I'll say this about transfers and Owens as an example. He ended up being better than what I thought he would
Simon and Clark I was expecting good things from and obviously Heron we already know is going to be huge
Dixon is going to be a very good litmus test of getting a really good player from a much smaller conference.
Hopefully we get to a point where we end up with a lot of roster stability and get some top flight high school kids and solid 4 year guys who stay and more or less cherry pick some transfers
This year could be the first year where we really see the benefits of the transfer strategy helping us in the short term.
The transfer strategy is better than striking out on all our top high school kids and then scramble and reach for bunch of players. Staff and specifically Matt since this was kind of his specialty get credit for that especially if we break through this year
Simon and Clark I was expecting good things from and obviously Heron we already know is going to be huge
Dixon is going to be a very good litmus test of getting a really good player from a much smaller conference.
Hopefully we get to a point where we end up with a lot of roster stability and get some top flight high school kids and solid 4 year guys who stay and more or less cherry pick some transfers
This year could be the first year where we really see the benefits of the transfer strategy helping us in the short term.
The transfer strategy is better than striking out on all our top high school kids and then scramble and reach for bunch of players. Staff and specifically Matt since this was kind of his specialty get credit for that especially if we break through this year
The captains from the 79 team that took their team within a couple of points of the final four were transfers - Carter and Rencher.
Using transfers is not a new tactic for St John's. It has not been used by some of our recent coaching staffs.
Heron fits more into the mold of the transers from days of Coach Lou C. Local kid coming back home after one or two years away.
Using transfers is not a new tactic for St John's. It has not been used by some of our recent coaching staffs.
Heron fits more into the mold of the transers from days of Coach Lou C. Local kid coming back home after one or two years away.
[quote="OLV72" post=287442]The captains from the 79 team that took their team within a couple of points of the final four were transfers - Carter and Rencher.
Using transfers is not a new tactic for St John's. It has not been used by some of our recent coaching staffs.
Heron fits more into the mold of the transers from days of Coach Lou C. Local kid coming back home after one or two years away.[/quote]
Yes, to Louie a ‘transfer’ was a kid who ‘got away’ initially, but as you said wanted to come back home.
Louie used it ‘tactically’ which is probably the best way to employ it.
We’ve had to use it more often, given the empty roster going into ‘15-‘16 and player losses (Sima, D.Williams, Ellison, Freudenberg, Mussina, Wilson, Owens) from PT concerns and/or being recruited over, or in Wilson’s case the Darth Vader school’s treachery..
I don’t recall *ratings in the days of Carter and Rencher, but I believe they were highly sought after out of HS.
Hopefully, gong forward, we can again use it tactically and strategically.
Using transfers is not a new tactic for St John's. It has not been used by some of our recent coaching staffs.
Heron fits more into the mold of the transers from days of Coach Lou C. Local kid coming back home after one or two years away.[/quote]
Yes, to Louie a ‘transfer’ was a kid who ‘got away’ initially, but as you said wanted to come back home.
Louie used it ‘tactically’ which is probably the best way to employ it.
We’ve had to use it more often, given the empty roster going into ‘15-‘16 and player losses (Sima, D.Williams, Ellison, Freudenberg, Mussina, Wilson, Owens) from PT concerns and/or being recruited over, or in Wilson’s case the Darth Vader school’s treachery..
I don’t recall *ratings in the days of Carter and Rencher, but I believe they were highly sought after out of HS.
Hopefully, gong forward, we can again use it tactically and strategically.
All but the real blue bloods (Duke, Kentucky, Kansas & UNC) are using the transfer option strategically; it's the way of the CB world. We have had to use it more than most because of what Chris was left with and our recent mediocre history. That could change beginning in 2019.
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=287447]All but the real blue bloods (Duke, Kentucky, Kansas & UNC) are using the transfer option strategically; it's the way of the CB world. We have had to use it more than most because of what Chris was left with and our recent mediocre history. That could change beginning in 2019.[/quote]
Gotta laugh NCJ.
We've had to use it more because of what Chris wasn't left with!
And as you said, "That could change beginning in 2019."
Let's go Johnnies.
Gotta laugh NCJ.
We've had to use it more because of what Chris wasn't left with!
And as you said, "That could change beginning in 2019."
Let's go Johnnies.
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[quote="AlBovino" post=287450]Great job Fordham96 comparing RJ Barrett the best freshman in the country to David Caraher. Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable. So who would you rather have Barrett for one year or Heron for two years?[/quote]
I agree when you say "Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable."
Hopefully this season we will get to do just that because RJ is a lottery pick.
Every time I see his name associated with Duke I want to punch a wall!
The son of an alum never gave St. John's a NY minute of consideration.
I can't wait for the Heron-Barrett matchup!!!
I agree when you say "Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable."
Hopefully this season we will get to do just that because RJ is a lottery pick.
Every time I see his name associated with Duke I want to punch a wall!
The son of an alum never gave St. John's a NY minute of consideration.
I can't wait for the Heron-Barrett matchup!!!
[quote="fordham96" post=287431][quote="Beast of the East" post=287429]Not to mention that transfers have already shown what they can do at this level, are experienced, and the age difference often adds strength. Much less of a crap shoot than recruiting a hs player.[/quote]
Not sure facts support this thesis. First off in many cases the transfers SJU are getting have not proven anything yet. They have very ordinary numbers. And the ones that have decent numbers have done it on a much lower level. I mean Mikey Dixon and Caraher have not played at a high major level, not even close.
Furthermore if this was such a slam dunk strategy then why isn't everyone doing It? I mean why would Duke go after RJ Barrett if they could land a "proven" talent like David Caraher?[/quote]
UNC, Kansas and Kentucky will be relying heavily on transfers this year. It's become a viable recruiting tactic if used properly.
Not sure facts support this thesis. First off in many cases the transfers SJU are getting have not proven anything yet. They have very ordinary numbers. And the ones that have decent numbers have done it on a much lower level. I mean Mikey Dixon and Caraher have not played at a high major level, not even close.
Furthermore if this was such a slam dunk strategy then why isn't everyone doing It? I mean why would Duke go after RJ Barrett if they could land a "proven" talent like David Caraher?[/quote]
UNC, Kansas and Kentucky will be relying heavily on transfers this year. It's become a viable recruiting tactic if used properly.
[quote="Class of 72" post=287453][quote="AlBovino" post=287450]Great job Fordham96 comparing RJ Barrett the best freshman in the country to David Caraher. Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable. So who would you rather have Barrett for one year or Heron for two years?[/quote]
I agree when you say "Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable."
Hopefully this season we will get to do just that because RJ is a lottery pick.
Every time I see his name associated with Duke I want to punch a wall!
The son of an alum never gave St. John's a NY minute of consideration.
I can't wait for the Heron-Barrett matchup!!![/quote]
Yes ‘72 very depressing that “the son of an alum...” didn’t give us as much as a NY minute.
Hopefully, the tide she be turning.
I agree when you say "Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable."
Hopefully this season we will get to do just that because RJ is a lottery pick.
Every time I see his name associated with Duke I want to punch a wall!
The son of an alum never gave St. John's a NY minute of consideration.
I can't wait for the Heron-Barrett matchup!!![/quote]
Yes ‘72 very depressing that “the son of an alum...” didn’t give us as much as a NY minute.
Hopefully, the tide she be turning.
[quote="AlBovino" post=287450]Great job Fordham96 comparing RJ Barrett the best freshman in the country to David Caraher. Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable. So who would you rather have Barrett for one year or Heron for two years[/quote]
Good points Al.
I’m holding my breath that Mustapha is eligible in 2018-19 and that he does stay that second year.
Should he lead us to the dance and beyond, he may reconsider—which would be great for both him and St. John’s.
Let’s go Johnnies.
Good points Al.
I’m holding my breath that Mustapha is eligible in 2018-19 and that he does stay that second year.
Should he lead us to the dance and beyond, he may reconsider—which would be great for both him and St. John’s.
Let’s go Johnnies.
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=287457][quote="Class of 72" post=287453][quote="AlBovino" post=287450]Great job Fordham96 comparing RJ Barrett the best freshman in the country to David Caraher. Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable. So who would you rather have Barrett for one year or Heron for two years?[/quote]
I agree when you say "Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable."
Hopefully this season we will get to do just that because RJ is a lottery pick.
Every time I see his name associated with Duke I want to punch a wall!
The son of an alum never gave St. John's a NY minute of consideration.
I can't wait for the Heron-Barrett matchup!!![/quote]
Yes ‘72 very depressing that “the son of an alum...” didn’t give us as much as a NY minute.
Hopefully, the tide she be turning.[/quote]
With 6 coaches in 25 years, several ADs, and investing much less than other schools in athletic department infrastructure, you wonder if the school has much of an outreach to former athletes. You also need coaches that can get beyond the continual cycle of large scale roster rebuild that the last 3 coaches encountered. You also need coaches with a sense of history that understand how important it is to keep former players and coaches close to the program. I wouldn't put this all on Barrett, or on any former player whose kid becomes a high profile recruit.
I agree when you say "Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable."
Hopefully this season we will get to do just that because RJ is a lottery pick.
Every time I see his name associated with Duke I want to punch a wall!
The son of an alum never gave St. John's a NY minute of consideration.
I can't wait for the Heron-Barrett matchup!!![/quote]
Yes ‘72 very depressing that “the son of an alum...” didn’t give us as much as a NY minute.
Hopefully, the tide she be turning.[/quote]
With 6 coaches in 25 years, several ADs, and investing much less than other schools in athletic department infrastructure, you wonder if the school has much of an outreach to former athletes. You also need coaches that can get beyond the continual cycle of large scale roster rebuild that the last 3 coaches encountered. You also need coaches with a sense of history that understand how important it is to keep former players and coaches close to the program. I wouldn't put this all on Barrett, or on any former player whose kid becomes a high profile recruit.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=287460][quote="Chicago Days" post=287457][quote="Class of 72" post=287453][quote="AlBovino" post=287450]Great job Fordham96 comparing RJ Barrett the best freshman in the country to David Caraher. Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable. So who would you rather have Barrett for one year or Heron for two years?[/quote]
I agree when you say "Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable."
Hopefully this season we will get to do just that because RJ is a lottery pick.
Every time I see his name associated with Duke I want to punch a wall!
The son of an alum never gave St. John's a NY minute of consideration.
I can't wait for the Heron-Barrett matchup!!![/quote]
Yes ‘72 very depressing that “the son of an alum...” didn’t give us as much as a NY minute.
Hopefully, the tide she be turning.[/quote]
With 6 coaches in 25 years, several ADs, and investing much less than other schools in athletic department infrastructure, you wonder if the school has much of an outreach to former athletes. You also need coaches that can get beyond the continual cycle of large scale roster rebuild that the last 3 coaches encountered. You also need coaches with a sense of history that understand how important it is to keep former players and coaches close to the program. I wouldn't put this all on Barrett, or on any former player whose kid becomes a high profile recruit.[/quote]
RJ Barrett is the best player in this class, I can't blame his father for choosing Duke. As Beast stated, we have not yet shown that we are a stable program. Choosing a college for these kids is like investing money for posters on this board, you go to the one with the best guarantee of maximizing your investment. Hopefully, this is the year that we begin to win and change the perception of our program.
I am a proud alum of St. Johns. However, if my granddaughter is offered scholarships to St. Johns and Harvard when she graduates from high school, she is going to Harvard.
I agree when you say "Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable."
Hopefully this season we will get to do just that because RJ is a lottery pick.
Every time I see his name associated with Duke I want to punch a wall!
The son of an alum never gave St. John's a NY minute of consideration.
I can't wait for the Heron-Barrett matchup!!![/quote]
Yes ‘72 very depressing that “the son of an alum...” didn’t give us as much as a NY minute.
Hopefully, the tide she be turning.[/quote]
With 6 coaches in 25 years, several ADs, and investing much less than other schools in athletic department infrastructure, you wonder if the school has much of an outreach to former athletes. You also need coaches that can get beyond the continual cycle of large scale roster rebuild that the last 3 coaches encountered. You also need coaches with a sense of history that understand how important it is to keep former players and coaches close to the program. I wouldn't put this all on Barrett, or on any former player whose kid becomes a high profile recruit.[/quote]
RJ Barrett is the best player in this class, I can't blame his father for choosing Duke. As Beast stated, we have not yet shown that we are a stable program. Choosing a college for these kids is like investing money for posters on this board, you go to the one with the best guarantee of maximizing your investment. Hopefully, this is the year that we begin to win and change the perception of our program.
I am a proud alum of St. Johns. However, if my granddaughter is offered scholarships to St. Johns and Harvard when she graduates from high school, she is going to Harvard.
[quote="AlBovino" post=287450]Great job Fordham96 comparing RJ Barrett the best freshman in the country to David Caraher. Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable. So who would you rather have Barrett for one year or Heron for two years?[/quote]
That wasn't even close to my point and focusing on that rather than the 10 other points I made that are 100% valid shows you have no intentions of making an honest argument.
Under the previous staff SJU landed Mo Harkless, Rysheed Jordan, Obekpa, Dom Pointer, Sampson, etc. Are you saying we focused our energy incorrectly there too?
And last time I checked the point he made was these transfers have "experience" already. So what difference does someone's HS ranking make if your point is college experience. RJ Barrett has ZERO college experience, that is the point. Are you saying there is a ranking cutoff so after a certain point you would take a HS kid over a college kid? Well then you should say that shouldn't you.
The bottom line is the argument was completely flawed. SJU's transfers for the most part have high risk because their transfers fall into one of two categories:
1)High major kids who have done very little and are looking for a new start (usually because they have been recruited over) or
2)Low major kids who are productive but now believe they can play at a higher level.
Heron is the exception. I would take him under any circumstance. He is a big time kid who has produced on a HIGH major level already in addition to being a stud in high school.
But don't tell me every transfer is Mustapha Heron. It is isn't. And again I am not against transfers per se. I think we should just pick our spots more carefully. The previous poster not only thought it was a good strategy but that it is a BETTER strategy because these kids already have college experience. That was my point. I used RJ Barrett as an extreme example but the point is no top 100 college kid has experience are we actually going to say that these kids should be of secondary value because our first priority should be transfers based on the notion of "experience?"
That wasn't even close to my point and focusing on that rather than the 10 other points I made that are 100% valid shows you have no intentions of making an honest argument.
Under the previous staff SJU landed Mo Harkless, Rysheed Jordan, Obekpa, Dom Pointer, Sampson, etc. Are you saying we focused our energy incorrectly there too?
And last time I checked the point he made was these transfers have "experience" already. So what difference does someone's HS ranking make if your point is college experience. RJ Barrett has ZERO college experience, that is the point. Are you saying there is a ranking cutoff so after a certain point you would take a HS kid over a college kid? Well then you should say that shouldn't you.
The bottom line is the argument was completely flawed. SJU's transfers for the most part have high risk because their transfers fall into one of two categories:
1)High major kids who have done very little and are looking for a new start (usually because they have been recruited over) or
2)Low major kids who are productive but now believe they can play at a higher level.
Heron is the exception. I would take him under any circumstance. He is a big time kid who has produced on a HIGH major level already in addition to being a stud in high school.
But don't tell me every transfer is Mustapha Heron. It is isn't. And again I am not against transfers per se. I think we should just pick our spots more carefully. The previous poster not only thought it was a good strategy but that it is a BETTER strategy because these kids already have college experience. That was my point. I used RJ Barrett as an extreme example but the point is no top 100 college kid has experience are we actually going to say that these kids should be of secondary value because our first priority should be transfers based on the notion of "experience?"
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[quote="panther2" post=287461][quote="Beast of the East" post=287460][quote="Chicago Days" post=287457][quote="Class of 72" post=287453][quote="AlBovino" post=287450]Great job Fordham96 comparing RJ Barrett the best freshman in the country to David Caraher. Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable. So who would you rather have Barrett for one year or Heron for two years?[/quote]
I agree when you say "Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable."
Hopefully this season we will get to do just that because RJ is a lottery pick.
Every time I see his name associated with Duke I want to punch a wall!
The son of an alum never gave St. John's a NY minute of consideration.
I can't wait for the Heron-Barrett matchup!!![/quote]
Yes ‘72 very depressing that “the son of an alum...” didn’t give us as much as a NY minute.
Hopefully, the tide she be turning.[/quote]
With 6 coaches in 25 years, several ADs, and investing much less than other schools in athletic department infrastructure, you wonder if the school has much of an outreach to former athletes. You also need coaches that can get beyond the continual cycle of large scale roster rebuild that the last 3 coaches encountered. You also need coaches with a sense of history that understand how important it is to keep former players and coaches close to the program. I wouldn't put this all on Barrett, or on any former player whose kid becomes a high profile recruit.[/quote]
RJ Barrett is the best player in this class, I can't blame his father for choosing Duke. As Beast stated, we have not yet shown that we are a stable program. Choosing a college for these kids is like investing money for posters on this board, you go to the one with the best guarantee of maximizing your investment. Hopefully, this is the year that we begin to win and change the perception of our program.
I am a proud alum of St. Johns. However, if my granddaughter is offered scholarships to St. Johns and Harvard when she graduates from high school, she is going to Harvard.[/quote]
Great post, for an RJ Barrett to pick a college is strictly a business decision, nothing more, nothing less. The overwhelming majority of players with his ability (and there aren't all that many) would not play a minute in college if not forced to. He played for three high schools, winding up at one hundreds, if not thousands of miles from his home. The idea that he would have some type of allegiance to SJU because his father played here is ludicrous to me. It is an absolutely different world and the astronomical transfer numbers we see in college are just reflective of the world these players grow up in, jumping between AAU teams and high schools at a moments notice. Just the way it is. Maybe some day SJU will be a realistic destination for this level player but I sure as hell would not be holding my breath waiting for that day.
I agree when you say "Comparing Barrett to Mustapha Heron would be much more equitable."
Hopefully this season we will get to do just that because RJ is a lottery pick.
Every time I see his name associated with Duke I want to punch a wall!
The son of an alum never gave St. John's a NY minute of consideration.
I can't wait for the Heron-Barrett matchup!!![/quote]
Yes ‘72 very depressing that “the son of an alum...” didn’t give us as much as a NY minute.
Hopefully, the tide she be turning.[/quote]
With 6 coaches in 25 years, several ADs, and investing much less than other schools in athletic department infrastructure, you wonder if the school has much of an outreach to former athletes. You also need coaches that can get beyond the continual cycle of large scale roster rebuild that the last 3 coaches encountered. You also need coaches with a sense of history that understand how important it is to keep former players and coaches close to the program. I wouldn't put this all on Barrett, or on any former player whose kid becomes a high profile recruit.[/quote]
RJ Barrett is the best player in this class, I can't blame his father for choosing Duke. As Beast stated, we have not yet shown that we are a stable program. Choosing a college for these kids is like investing money for posters on this board, you go to the one with the best guarantee of maximizing your investment. Hopefully, this is the year that we begin to win and change the perception of our program.
I am a proud alum of St. Johns. However, if my granddaughter is offered scholarships to St. Johns and Harvard when she graduates from high school, she is going to Harvard.[/quote]
Great post, for an RJ Barrett to pick a college is strictly a business decision, nothing more, nothing less. The overwhelming majority of players with his ability (and there aren't all that many) would not play a minute in college if not forced to. He played for three high schools, winding up at one hundreds, if not thousands of miles from his home. The idea that he would have some type of allegiance to SJU because his father played here is ludicrous to me. It is an absolutely different world and the astronomical transfer numbers we see in college are just reflective of the world these players grow up in, jumping between AAU teams and high schools at a moments notice. Just the way it is. Maybe some day SJU will be a realistic destination for this level player but I sure as hell would not be holding my breath waiting for that day.