Maryville Saints - Exhibition matchup

[quote="ghostzapper" post=300015]Section3 wrote: Don’t think Williams was dressed.

FYI Williams was in fact dressed and on the bench sitting with Roberts and Earlington. He shot around in warmups but never got off the bench and into the game. Personally I thought it was odd that none of the Freshman made an appearance on the floor considering it was just an exhibition game.[/quote]
Maybe Mullin thinks freshman are ineligible.
 
[quote="ghostzapper" post=300015]Section3 wrote: Don’t think Williams was dressed.

FYI Williams was in fact dressed and on the bench sitting with Roberts and Earlington. He shot around in warmups but never got off the bench and into the game. Personally I thought it was odd that none of the Freshman made an appearance on the floor considering it was just an exhibition game.[/quote]

The game was a toss up until the last 3 minutes. The freshmen are either not ready or, more likely, this staff doesn't have them ready and integrated into the team as yet.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=299959][quote="NCJohnnie" post=299956]Up 2 with 6 minutes left against these guys? That is not good. No excuses this year when November 6th rolls around. Staff better have them ready and players better realize hype means nothing unless you do it on the court.[/quote]
Exactly, as talented as this team is, they will need to bring it every game v any BE team & the decent out of conference foes. Should be a nice season, but no assumptions.[/quote]

lol that's funny, that they think they're so much better that they get bored against these teams.
I gotta ask, what have they done last year or two years ago? Nothing, not even the nit.
They don't deserve to do that, they have not done anything.

I know Clark read this board, He mentioned Maher. Probably the rest do too.
So here's a goal for you men. If you guys think you're so much better then some of these teams in ooc play, then prove it. End the game by halfftime, go up 25+, that's what elite teas do to scrub teams.
I know after the garbage years we had, i'd be on a mission in every game, I wouldn't allow myself to happy, and if I started to get happy, I'd immediately start thinking back to the last 2yrs and that would immediately put the fire back in my belly. Stay on that missionn mentality, never get satisfied.

Lets see what they got on Tuesday.
 
[quote="otis" post=300006]My concern has been that Ponds and others look at this season as a prolonged audition for the NBA to build person stats and not as an opportunity to play team ball and win games.[/quote]

Not to worry! Ponds was below average tonight and wasn't even the best player on the floor. LJ Figueroa was.
 
Trust me on this and if I'm wrong at end of year hang me

MUllin and company were largely absent during summer. Can we all agree on that ?

1st half of schedule they are here and it's weaker than a condom with viagra, Thats good. We will improve. By end of year we will be destroying people convincing Mulllin this should be a full time job and not when we get our ass kicked which hopefully wont happen
 
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I agree with most of whats been said....couple of other observations tonight....place was empty....louder cheering from maryville fans....student sections less than half full...university president sitting center court watching everything....press seemed half hearted.....team is better when ponds attacks but he was definitely not taking the lead.....very obvious the difference in talent level but didnt show in the score.....lastly lj figueroa seemed to be at level above everyone else...
 
Class of 72 wrote: The game was a toss up until the last 3 minutes. The freshmen are either not ready or, more likely, this staff doesn't have them ready and integrated into the team as yet.

I get that the game was close late but to me the point of exhibtion games is to get everyone some floor time to get ready for the regular season. I think winning is secondary to development here. If you can't get these guys a few minutes against division two competition (in a game that doesn't even count on your record) then I wonder when you would get an opportunity to try these guys out a bit.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=300017][quote="ghostzapper" post=300015]Section3 wrote: Don’t think Williams was dressed.

FYI Williams was in fact dressed and on the bench sitting with Roberts and Earlington. He shot around in warmups but never got off the bench and into the game. Personally I thought it was odd that none of the Freshman made an appearance on the floor considering it was just an exhibition game.[/quote]

The game was a toss up until the last 3 minutes. The freshmen are either not ready or, more likely, this staff doesn't have them ready and integrated into the team as yet.[/quote] or to be fair based on time on campus staff not ready yet but that can change
 
I agree with most of whats been said....couple of other observations tonight....place was empty....louder cheering from maryville fans....student sections less than half full...university president sitting center court watching everything....press seemed half hearted.....team is better when ponds attacks but he was definitely not taking the lead.....very obvious the difference in talent level but didnt show in the score.....lastly lj figueroa seemed to be at level above everyone else...
 
[quote="ghostzapper" post=300024]Class of 72 wrote: The game was a toss up until the last 3 minutes. The freshmen are either not ready or, more likely, this staff doesn't have them ready and integrated into the team as yet.

I get that the game was close late but to me the point of exhibtion games is to get everyone some floor time to get ready for the regular season. I think winning is secondary to development here. If you can't get these guys a few minutes against division two competition (in a game that doesn't even count on your record) then I wonder when you would get an opportunity to try these guys out a bit.[/quote]

Even though from a record standpoint the game is meaningless please be aware that we already lost a scrimmage to a URI team with a new coach. Losing to a D2 team would make Mullin look pretty incompetent. With the Internet nothing is trivial any longer and a loss just looks bad to recruits. The staff's poor reputation would just look even worse if they played players not ready or who still don't know the system. If there even is a system.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=299968]Thankful for the final score but Maryville was within single digits with 1:00 left so very misleading. Seemed like Maryville shot 80% from 3 the entire game. A few were lucky, a few were guarded, and 1 was practically from halfcourt. Ridiculous.

Ponds was extremely immature and did 2 stupid things late: 1) with the game literally on the line and Maryville within single digits and 4 or 5 minutes left, he was called for a foul and instead of handing the ref the ball he walked all the way over to the other end of the court and placed it down like an idiot. They promptly called a technical which was well earned. 2) Up 14 in the last few seconds with time running out he pretended to shoot a long 3 and did a pump fake. Maybe these are more minor than I'm making them seem, but he does not look mature and made stupid decisions. Barely put any effort in for much of the game just like the scrimmage in the tip off.

Positives:

-LJ is the real deal. You guys told me it was just a scrimmage in the tip off and not to get too giddy. But he's for real. Very sneaky athleticism. Made a nice backbreaking 3 towards the end and a possible SC top 10 putback dunk.

-Dixon has a nice stroke and I can see him being quite valuable off the bench. Same for Trimble. Looks good.

-Clark was successful nearly every time I saw him go in the paint offensively.

-Keita is not going to be great, but I think he can end up being an improvement over Owens. We won't fall off much there if at all.

-We won
Negatives:

-We kept Maryville within single digits with 1 min to go. Quickest way to get jokes written and have pundits never give you the benefit of the doubt.

-We looked like hot garbage for much of the game. No real plan, no real desire until quite late.

-We made Maryville losers look like Duke shooting tonight.

-Ponds showed immaturity several times[/quote]

I have no problems with what did. Driscoll is god awful and incompetent ref. Rember the call on Ponds in the Nova game last season? F&*$# him
 
[quote="Danny Noonan" post=300030][quote="Mike Zaun" post=299968]Thankful for the final score but Maryville was within single digits with 1:00 left so very misleading. Seemed like Maryville shot 80% from 3 the entire game. A few were lucky, a few were guarded, and 1 was practically from halfcourt. Ridiculous.

Ponds was extremely immature and did 2 stupid things late: 1) with the game literally on the line and Maryville within single digits and 4 or 5 minutes left, he was called for a foul and instead of handing the ref the ball he walked all the way over to the other end of the court and placed it down like an idiot. They promptly called a technical which was well earned. 2) Up 14 in the last few seconds with time running out he pretended to shoot a long 3 and did a pump fake. Maybe these are more minor than I'm making them seem, but he does not look mature and made stupid decisions. Barely put any effort in for much of the game just like the scrimmage in the tip off.

Positives:

-LJ is the real deal. You guys told me it was just a scrimmage in the tip off and not to get too giddy. But he's for real. Very sneaky athleticism. Made a nice backbreaking 3 towards the end and a possible SC top 10 putback dunk.

-Dixon has a nice stroke and I can see him being quite valuable off the bench. Same for Trimble. Looks good.

-Clark was successful nearly every time I saw him go in the paint offensively.

-Keita is not going to be great, but I think he can end up being an improvement over Owens. We won't fall off much there if at all.

-We won
Negatives:

-We kept Maryville within single digits with 1 min to go. Quickest way to get jokes written and have pundits never give you the benefit of the doubt.

-We looked like hot garbage for much of the game. No real plan, no real desire until quite late.

-We made Maryville losers look like Duke shooting tonight.

-Ponds showed immaturity several times[/quote]

I have no problems with what Pomds did. Driscoll is god awful and incompetent ref. Rember the call on Ponds in the Nova game last season? F&*$# him[/quote]
 
[quote="Danny Noonan" post=300031][quote="Danny Noonan" post=300030][quote="Mike Zaun" post=299968]Thankful for the final score but Maryville was within single digits with 1:00 left so very misleading. Seemed like Maryville shot 80% from 3 the entire game. A few were lucky, a few were guarded, and 1 was practically from halfcourt. Ridiculous.

Ponds was extremely immature and did 2 stupid things late: 1) with the game literally on the line and Maryville within single digits and 4 or 5 minutes left, he was called for a foul and instead of handing the ref the ball he walked all the way over to the other end of the court and placed it down like an idiot. They promptly called a technical which was well earned. 2) Up 14 in the last few seconds with time running out he pretended to shoot a long 3 and did a pump fake. Maybe these are more minor than I'm making them seem, but he does not look mature and made stupid decisions. Barely put any effort in for much of the game just like the scrimmage in the tip off.

Positives:

-LJ is the real deal. You guys told me it was just a scrimmage in the tip off and not to get too giddy. But he's for real. Very sneaky athleticism. Made a nice backbreaking 3 towards the end and a possible SC top 10 putback dunk.

-Dixon has a nice stroke and I can see him being quite valuable off the bench. Same for Trimble. Looks good.

-Clark was successful nearly every time I saw him go in the paint offensively.

-Keita is not going to be great, but I think he can end up being an improvement over Owens. We won't fall off much there if at all.

-We won
Negatives:

-We kept Maryville within single digits with 1 min to go. Quickest way to get jokes written and have pundits never give you the benefit of the doubt.

-We looked like hot garbage for much of the game. No real plan, no real desire until quite late.

-We made Maryville losers look like Duke shooting tonight.

-Ponds showed immaturity several times[/quote]

I have no problems with what Pomds did. Driscoll is god awful and incompetent ref. Rember the call on Ponds in the Nova game last season? F&*$# him[/quote][/quote]

His partner, John Gaffney (another terrible ref) had a really bad possession late in the game. I think it was 62-57 us, about 3 minutes left. First, he misses and over and back call on Maryville, saying that Clark touched it (which he did, but the Maryville player recovered in the frontcourt, and then stepped back), then he called a ridiculous kick ball on St. John's, when it looked like someone (Figueroa, I think) had stolen the ball clean, which gave Maryville a 15 second shot clock reset (I think it was down to 7 at the time). Next Maryville possession, he called them for a cheap offensive foul, in what was clearly a makeup call.

But, that was my only real issue with the refs tonight.
 
With Chris Mullin coaching we have no shot. I wouldn't be surprised if we came in like 7th-8th in the Big East and the season is a huge disappointment. You could give Mullin the dream team and he'll still get out-coached by a D-II coach..... Hopefully Tim Cluess is ready to leave next year.
 
Got to get Williams some burn. But I suspect Roberts and Earlington might be on the bench to spare them embarrassment. But if you are already shielding them in exhibitions against D-II teams, they won't be able to do anything for us this season. We needed "big" guys to chip in this season, but at this point I doubt they average 3 ppg combined.

We can't afford to coast with such a weak OOC schedule. There's really no margin for error whatsoever. I'll give Ponds benefit of doubt, but if selfish NBA audition basketball rears its ugly head in the first couple games, he should be the sixth man until he snaps out of it. Coach needs to nip me-first basketball in the bud immediately.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=300035]Got to get Williams some burn. But I suspect Roberts and Earlington might be on the bench to spare them embarrassment. But if you are already shielding them in exhibitions against D-II teams, they won't be able to do anything for us this season. We needed "big" guys to chip in this season, but at this point I doubt they average 3 ppg combined.

We can't afford to coast with such a weak OOC schedule. There's really no margin for error whatsoever. I'll give Ponds benefit of doubt, but if selfish NBA audition basketball rears its ugly head in the first couple games, he should be the sixth man until he snaps out of it. Coach needs to nip me-first basketball in the bud immediately.[/quote]


Didn't see the game, so may be off base, but agree that if freshman don't play in an exhibition game against a D2 opponent, when will they play?
 
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[quote="SJU11phd" post=300034]With Chris Mullin coaching we have no shot. I wouldn't be surprised if we came in like 7th-8th in the Big East and the season is a huge disappointment. You could give Mullin the dream team and he'll still get out-coached by a D-II coach..... Hopefully Tim Cluess is ready to leave next year.[/quote]

I think Cluess was ready to come to St John's years ago if we had shown any interest
But, he is nearly 60 years old
I don't know if there would be mutual interest now
The local guy that I was interested in years ago was McKillop
The concern was whether or not he could recruit
The proof is in the pudding - he has recruited well at Davidson, a small high academic school
They are contenders every year in the A-10
He would have done a fine job at St John's
 
My expectation would be that a top 25 team even missing one of their best players would blow out a DII team early and then you can put your reserves in.
 
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