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i am not moving to Spokane the only place id rather not live is Staten Island lol, but there is no reason that St Johns cant be at the top of this conference every year. The recruiting is HUGE. Keep the local kids home. We dont need all of them, but look at past good SJU teams, they are always loaded with NY kids.
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I agree about local kids. You need sign the best PS AL and Catholic league kids in the metro area every year and we have been losing them to Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Nova and UConn on a yearly basis.

BTW, recruiting would have taken a new dimension had we opened up the check book for Slice. He worked his ass off to steal Briscoe.
 
i am not moving to Spokane the only place id rather not live is Staten Island lol, but there is no reason that St Johns cant be at the top of this conference every year. The recruiting is HUGE. Keep the local kids home. We dont need all of them, but look at past good SJU teams, they are always loaded with NY kids.
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Loool. .Born n raised on Staten Island. Lived in Spokompton for a little more than a year. They love their zags over there. Again though, they are the only show in town. You get people going to the games from eastern Washington and northern Idaho to watch cuz there is nothing else to do. I'll tell you though, I went to a couple games and it's a fun environment.
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Their attendance is high not just because there is nothing else to do. It is high because they are consistently good. In the past 20 years, they have won their conference 17 times and made 17 NCAA tournament appearances. Fans know they are going to see a good club when they show up.
 
i am not moving to Spokane the only place id rather not live is Staten Island lol, but there is no reason that St Johns cant be at the top of this conference every year. The recruiting is HUGE. Keep the local kids home. We dont need all of them, but look at past good SJU teams, they are always loaded with NY kids.
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I agree about local kids. You need sign the best PS AL and Catholic league kids in the metro area every year and we have been losing them to Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Nova and UConn on a yearly basis.

BTW, recruiting would have taken a new dimension had we opened up the check book for Slice. He worked his ass off to steal Briscoe.
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The local talent isnt what it used to be, but there is still enough where if we were recruiting the area effectively, our team would be more competitive than the current situation where we are recruiting kids from all over the place and they arent coming.

It is nice to have the "national" recruiting but the truth is its never worked here. Even guys like Bootsy & Hatten (Baltimore) were a few hours away, and over the last 25 years the other two who arent close to here i can think of are Harrison and Postell. Elite kids from California, Florida, Texas and everywhere else arent lining up to come here. Every McDonalds ALl American we have signed i the last 25 years is from NY or NJ. Getting local kids back in the mix is what can turn this program around, which is another reason i like Hurley - because the local connections can pay off greatly for us.
 
Well, we aren't Kentucky, Duke or Arizona...but when Lavin came here, many of us thought we could be. Not everyone can mask their disappointment. .
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Yes there have been delusional posters on these boards since the AOL forums. The accomplishments of the Lavin era have been disappointing but anyone will be a disappointment if you really believe the program's ceiling is that high.
 
Well, we aren't Kentucky, Duke or Arizona...but when Lavin came here, many of us thought we could be. Not everyone can mask their disappointment. .
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Yes there have been delusional posters on these boards since the AOL forums. The accomplishments of the Lavin era have been disappointing but anyone will be a disappointment if you really believe the program's ceiling is that high.
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I think most realistic people were thinking more along the lines of Georgetown, Villanova or Xavier. UK, Lexington and the entire state of Kentucky have been the NCAA's official NBA location since the end of the Rupp era. And even before they allowed blacks into the gym, the sole raison d'etre was basketball. On the other hand Duke and Arizona are phenomenons of the past 25 years only based upon coach cults. Based upon that success they have been able to attract coaches and players. Like UK, Zona is THE state school while Duke is just filthy wealthy. The three schools I mentioned are easily within the program's reach and New York City is certainly more attractive a place than Washington or Philadelphia. Wink!
 
Well, we aren't Kentucky, Duke or Arizona...but when Lavin came here, many of us thought we could be. Not everyone can mask their disappointment. .
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Yes there have been delusional posters on these boards since the AOL forums. The accomplishments of the Lavin era have been disappointing but anyone will be a disappointment if you really believe the program's ceiling is that high.
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I think most realistic people were thinking more along the lines of Georgetown, Villanova or Xavier. UK, Lexington and the entire state of Kentucky have been the NCAA's official NBA location since the end of the Rupp era. And even before they allowed blacks into the gym, the sole raison d'etre was basketball. On the other hand Duke and Arizona are phenomenons of the past 25 years only based upon coach cults. Based upon thar success they have been able to attract coaches and players. Like UK, Zona is THE state school while Duke is just filthy wealthy. The three schools I mentioned are easily within the program's reach New York City is certainly more attractive a place than Washington or Philadelphia. Wink!
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We don't agree on much but we do agree on the programs STJ could aspire to.

Re great programs, I may be old but I at least recognize that the game is entirely different then it was in the UCLA era. Not sure when I would say modern hoops started but it's not a lot longer than 25 years ago so Zona and Duke are legacy greats in my mind.

The launch of the modern era could be the end of the UCLA era (1975). The next year was Indy's undefeated season and that started a change for sure. Could be Magic / Bird in '79, Could be the expansion to 64 teams in '85. But really nothing matters besides UCLA before these periods. It wasn't the same game, what happened then is increasingly irrelevant as time marches on.
 
What was the logic behind sitting Rysheed to start the 2nd half and starting Balamou?

Was that ever explained?

IIRC, LIU went on a run to start the 2nd half and Sheed was brought back in.
 
We have four experienced guards--Jordan, Harrison, Branch and Greene. What exactly was the point of putting walk-on guard Myles Stewart in for 6 minutes and Balamou in for 9, while Jones got 2 minutes and Amar zippo? At some point, against larger opponents, we are going to have play bigger. Would it not make sense for Jones and Amar to get a little burn against these lesser opponents? What am I missing?
 
i am not moving to Spokane the only place id rather not live is Staten Island lol, but there is no reason that St Johns cant be at the top of this conference every year. The recruiting is HUGE. Keep the local kids home. We dont need all of them, but look at past good SJU teams, they are always loaded with NY kids.
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I agree about local kids. You need sign the best PS AL and Catholic league kids in the metro area every year and we have been losing them to Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Nova and UConn on a yearly basis.

BTW, recruiting would have taken a new dimension had we opened up the check book for Slice. He worked his ass off to steal Briscoe.
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Honestly, Briscoe did not go to Kentucky because of who recruited him. At the end of the day, Kentucky is Kentucky and we are SJU. The lure of playing at home just did not beat the lure of playing for Kentucky. Knock Lavin, he has earned it, but he and staff worked their ass off for Briscoe and you can't take that away from them. You can criticize them for putting all their eggs in that basket but no one out-worked them in that instance. Rohressen was involved for 3 weeks, SJU for 4 years.
 
What was the logic behind sitting Rysheed to start the 2nd half and starting Balamou?

Was that ever explained?

IIRC, LIU went on a run to start the 2nd half and Sheed was brought back in.
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Lavin said in the postgame that that was the unit that had sparked things at the end of the first half, so he just stuck with them.
 
Sorry for the double post, but this is from Matt Norlader's nightly cbssports.com recap (including the first point, because it leads into his talking about us):

4. It was in a 65-55 losing effort, but I have a rule here: You block at least eight shots or earn at least eight steals, you're getting a mention in this spot. So props to Lamar's Tyran de Lattibeaudiere (I guess that's French for thief) for nabbing eight swipes tonight against Texas State.

5. And in that vein, Chris Obekpa of St. John's, who led the nation in blocks last season, swatted away eight attempts tonight for SJU. His teammate, Sir'Dominic Pointer, had six more. But it wasn't all rosy. More below.

Other outcomes blipping the radar:

The final team to play a Division I game against a Division I opponent was LIU Brooklyn, which fell 66-53 at St. John's. But SJU was shaky for half this game, if not longer. Strange start to the season for the 3-0 Johnnies, who remain perfect but have looked uneven.
 
We have four experienced guards--Jordan, Harrison, Branch and Greene. What exactly was the point of putting walk-on guard Myles Stewart in for 6 minutes and Balamou in for 9, while Jones got 2 minutes and Amar zippo? At some point, against larger opponents, we are going to have play bigger. Would it not make sense for Jones and Amar to get a little burn against these lesser opponents? What am I missing?
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Ive been saying the same thing. Stupid move by Lavin IMO .You know there are going to be games where CO fouls out or god for bid aggravates his ankle .Have to get these guys exp against lesser competition,and see what they can do.
 
i am not moving to Spokane the only place id rather not live is Staten Island lol, but there is no reason that St Johns cant be at the top of this conference every year. The recruiting is HUGE. Keep the local kids home. We dont need all of them, but look at past good SJU teams, they are always loaded with NY kids.
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I agree about local kids. You need sign the best PS AL and Catholic league kids in the metro area every year and we have been losing them to Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Nova and UConn on a yearly basis.

BTW, recruiting would have taken a new dimension had we opened up the check book for Slice. He worked his ass off to steal Briscoe.
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Honestly, Briscoe did not go to Kentucky because of who recruited him. At the end of the day, Kentucky is Kentucky and we are SJU. The lure of playing at home just did not beat the lure of playing for Kentucky. Knock Lavin, he has earned it, but he and staff worked their ass off for Briscoe and you can't take that away from them. You can criticize them for putting all their eggs in that basket but no one out-worked them in that instance. Rohressen was involved for 3 weeks, SJU for 4 years.
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What Calipari did with Kentucky is bad for college basketball but was incredibly brilliant for being able to get most of the top players to go there. He just embraced the fact that the NBA age limit makes college basketball essentially a one year minor leagues for the guys who would go pro right out of high school but can't.

Even after the Kansas game in his interview he was asked about the platoons. He said, "I have 10 guys who are good enough the play and deserve the right 'to show what they can do'." He is no longer running a college basketball team as much as he is running an NBA factory. College basketball isn't most of these kid's dream, it's going to the NBA. And that's why Briscoe made the decision he did.
 
What was the logic behind sitting Rysheed to start the 2nd half and starting Balamou?

Was that ever explained?

IIRC, LIU went on a run to start the 2nd half and Sheed was brought back in.
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There wasnt any
 
i am not moving to Spokane the only place id rather not live is Staten Island lol, but there is no reason that St Johns cant be at the top of this conference every year. The recruiting is HUGE. Keep the local kids home. We dont need all of them, but look at past good SJU teams, they are always loaded with NY kids.
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I agree about local kids. You need sign the best PS AL and Catholic league kids in the metro area every year and we have been losing them to Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Nova and UConn on a yearly basis.

BTW, recruiting would have taken a new dimension had we opened up the check book for Slice. He worked his ass off to steal Briscoe.
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You're not going to get the best kids in NY when:

A) You have no relationship with the NYC High School programs, and:
B) You're to busy flying all over the country and the world scouting walk-ons and 2nd tier talent

From purely a $ standpoint, if I were the administration I would be questioning Lavin's travel expenses.
 
We have four experienced guards--Jordan, Harrison, Branch and Greene. What exactly was the point of putting walk-on guard Myles Stewart in for 6 minutes and Balamou in for 9, while Jones got 2 minutes and Amar zippo? At some point, against larger opponents, we are going to have play bigger. Would it not make sense for Jones and Amar to get a little burn against these lesser opponents? What am I missing?
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This game was far from in the bag, so Lavin never really had the luxury of experimenting. He had to worry about winning the game first and foremost. FWIW, I don't see AA contributing much at this level. However Jones can, and its crucial that he get PT now.
I was really hoping that we would come out of the box strong against our first 3 opponents. After all, we are senior laden team. This would have given our kids confidence and allowed Lavin to see what he's got with the newcomers. Unfortunately that didn't happen.
 
We have four experienced guards--Jordan, Harrison, Branch and Greene. What exactly was the point of putting walk-on guard Myles Stewart in for 6 minutes and Balamou in for 9, while Jones got 2 minutes and Amar zippo? At some point, against larger opponents, we are going to have play bigger. Would it not make sense for Jones and Amar to get a little burn against these lesser opponents? What am I missing?
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This game was far from in the bag, so Lavin never really had the luxury of experimenting. He had to worry about winning the game first and foremost. FWIW, I don't see AA contributing much at this level. However Jones can, and its crucial that he get PT now.
I was really hoping that we would come out of the box strong against our first 3 opponents. After all, we are senior laden team. This would have given our kids confidence and allowed Lavin to see what he's got with the newcomers. Unfortunately that didn't happen.
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If putting a walk-on in while your scholarship players sit on the bench isn't experimenting, I don't know what is.....
 
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