Lavin on the Road

[MJDinkins]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

 

Spot on reply, kranmars. "Wow" was my initial reply. But, I like the one you posted better.

 

[Moose]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

[Knight2]

Anyone know what Recruit Commitment dates should we be aware of?

 

[austour]

 April 11 is the beginning of the next signing period.

 

[Moose]

Also its pretty rare for seniors to commit during these months. They usually wait till after their seasons are done.

 

[beast of the east]

... I recall Louie offering three point guards in NYC and said first come first served. Mark Jackson came. ...all the best 

SS&G, with all due respect, I think Jackson coming here was more likely the case of the other two point guards (Kenny Smith & Pearl Washington) going elsewhere first.

 

Kenny Smith and the Pearl got all the ink in high school and college. Mark had to come off the bench at SJ for an inferior SJ player. Mark was drafted lower (17th) in the NBA draft than Smith.
Fast forward...........the more successful of the three after college was Mark Jackson.
And the last shall be first

 

This all goes to show you that you never know. Mark Jackson was one of the three best point guards coming out of NYC - that's true - BUT he was rated far below both Smith and Pearl. Pearl Washington for all of his well known deficiencies in his game was one of the most dazzling college players in the last 30 years. I remember MJ trying to guard Washington as a senior and it was pathetic - Washington could absolutely have his way and get whatever shot he wanted, leaving Jackson in the dust. I remember thinking that no way could MJ be a pro with feet that slow. Pearl Washington was also the ONLY player guard or otherwise who could take the ball right at PAtrick Ewing and freeze Ewing before blowing by him to get the shot he wanted. Amazing. That same senior season in a game vs. Arkansas, I think I saw Ewing block Joe Kleine's shot 6 times in a row - he just kept batting it back down at him.

So, ratings don't mean everything. Jackson turned out to be a very good pro, Smith so-so, and Washington a wash-out.

 

[redstorm80]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

 

Harrison aint going anywhere

 

[lawmanfan]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

Sean Evans would never have let it get this bad.

 

[redmen1]

 Absolutly right plus Kenny HUtchsidson going to Arkansas.

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

 I trust Lavin also,but it is worrisome that we have 0 commits from the 2012 class so far and an exceedingly thin roster. Getting Branch is a step in the right direction.

 

we will get ours - look at what we offer in Lavin, staff, positive publicity, kids playiong hard, style of play, the Garden….and Coach's magnetic recruiting ability.

he succeeded under the worst possible circumstances (to wit: the entire team graduating) plua his health thing etc.

this year will be just fine

 

[bobre45]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

Sean Evans would never have let it get this bad.

 
No he wouldn't have and wouldn't it have been nice to have someone like him this year? So let's see. We have a losing record. Lavin hasn't coached a game in a dog's age and Moe is sitting on the fence about leaving. That leaves six players and only Branch in the fold. No verbals. No nuthin. How that converts to a bunch of guys smugly saying "in Lavin I trust" eludes me... Based on what I might ask? My opinion is that all the decommits, no verbals, Polee leaving and maybe Moe leave me just a tad short of the blind faith stuff. I went through Missouri once and I say show me. This is only the second year of the big turnaround and frankly I'm not all that impressed at this moment. I'm willing to listen to anyone who says I'm off base but I'd like a few facts to back it up. 

 

[jhansonbro17]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

Sean Evans would never have let it get this bad.

 
No he wouldn't have and wouldn't it have been nice to have someone like him this year? So let's see. We have a losing record. Lavin hasn't coached a game in a dog's age and Moe is sitting on the fence about leaving. That leaves six players and only Branch in the fold. No verbals. No nuthin. How that converts to a bunch of guys smugly saying "in Lavin I trust." Based on what I might ask? My opinion is that all the decommits, no verbals, Polee leaving and maybe Moe leave me just a tad short of the blind faith stuff. I went through Missouri once and I say show me. This is only the second year of the big turnaround and frankly I'm not all that impressed at this moment. I'm willing to listen to anyone who says I'm off base but I'd like a few facts to back it up.

 

The Mark Jackson-led Golden State Warriors are 7-12 this year

 

[mjmaherjr]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

Sean Evans would never have let it get this bad.

  and Moe is sitting on the fence about leaving.

 

Do you know Moe ? How do you know that ?

 

[Moose]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

Sean Evans would never have let it get this bad.

  and Moe is sitting on the fence about leaving.

 

Do you know Moe ? How do you know that ?

 

Bobre has NBA 'connections'

 

[1and1sju]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

Sean Evans would never have let it get this bad.

 
No he wouldn't have and wouldn't it have been nice to have someone like him this year? So let's see. We have a losing record. Lavin hasn't coached a game in a dog's age and Moe is sitting on the fence about leaving. That leaves six players and only Branch in the fold. No verbals. No nuthin. How that converts to a bunch of guys smugly saying "in Lavin I trust." Based on what I might ask? My opinion is that all the decommits, no verbals, Polee leaving and maybe Moe leave me just a tad short of the blind faith stuff. I went through Missouri once and I say show me. This is only the second year of the big turnaround and frankly I'm not all that impressed at this moment. I'm willing to listen to anyone who says I'm off base but I'd like a few facts to back it up.

 

I don't have blind faith either, and certainly not everything has gone according to plan. But;

- With a full roster last season Lavin coached/motivated that team to a level of success they had never sniffed. And our first NCAA appearance since Jarvis.

- We had 4 top 100 players in the last ten seasons put together. In year one of his recruiting Lavin equaled that.

- He recruited the program's best player since Artest in Moe.

- Raised the programs profile, as exhibited by our number of games on national television.

Finally, Lavin has a long list of recruiting achievements on his resume. If some of us believe he'll land 2 of the 4 names we're involved with it's because of hard evidence. There was not a coach available that had the recruiting track record Lavin has.

So to wrap it up, coach has succeeded on the court, on the recruiting trail, and raised our profile. We're not UNC, I don't demand championships every season. We're substantially better off now than we were two seasons ago. 

 

[bobre45]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

Sean Evans would never have let it get this bad.

  and Moe is sitting on the fence about leaving.

 

Do you know Moe ? How do you know that ?

 

Bobre has NBA 'connections'

 

Actually the source which is a good one was a lot more pessimistic about him staying than "on the fence" but there's no need to be overly negative now though. Suffice it to say that common sense can be a good guide too.

 

[Class of 72]

 Absolutly right plus Kenny HUtchsidson going to Arkansas.

 

Kenny was part of a group of players that played at the old Ben Franklin HS in East Harlem.
Richie Adams, Kenny Hutchinson and Lonnie Green made Ben Franklin the top HS team in America in 1979. They were joined by Walter Berry around 1980 to form the greatest high school basketball team ever in
New York City HS history. Kenny became addicted to coke at Arkansas......so much for getting away from the City. Richie, Kenny and Walter were all Lavin-type players....long, lanky and talented.

 

[mjmaherjr]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

Sean Evans would never have let it get this bad.

  and Moe is sitting on the fence about leaving.

 

Do you know Moe ? How do you know that ?

 

Bobre has NBA 'connections'

 

Actually the source which is a good one was a lot more pessimistic about him staying than "on the fence" but there's no need to be overly negative now though. Suffice it to say that common sense can be a good guide too.

 

So you are saying your source is closer to Moe than Nate Blue ?

 

[bobre45]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

Sean Evans would never have let it get this bad.

 
No he wouldn't have and wouldn't it have been nice to have someone like him this year? So let's see. We have a losing record. Lavin hasn't coached a game in a dog's age and Moe is sitting on the fence about leaving. That leaves six players and only Branch in the fold. No verbals. No nuthin. How that converts to a bunch of guys smugly saying "in Lavin I trust." Based on what I might ask? My opinion is that all the decommits, no verbals, Polee leaving and maybe Moe leave me just a tad short of the blind faith stuff. I went through Missouri once and I say show me. This is only the second year of the big turnaround and frankly I'm not all that impressed at this moment. I'm willing to listen to anyone who says I'm off base but I'd like a few facts to back it up.

 

I don't have blind faith either, and certainly not everything has gone according to plan. But;

- With a full roster last season Lavin coached/motivated that team to a level of success they had never sniffed. And our first NCAA appearance since Jarvis.

- We had 4 top 100 players in the last ten seasons put together. In year one of his recruiting Lavin equaled that.

- He recruited the program's best player since Artest in Moe.

- Raised the programs profile, as exhibited by our number of games on national television.

Finally, Lavin has a long list of recruiting achievements on his resume. If some of us believe he'll land 2 of the 4 names we're involved with it's because of hard evidence. There was not a coach available that had the recruiting track record Lavin has.

So to wrap it up, coach has succeed on the court, on the recruiting trail, and raised our profile. We're not UNC, I don't demand championships every season. We're substantially better off now than we were two seasons ago.

 
On the other hand Lav inherited a bunch of pretty good ballplayers and found a way to use them. His first recruit is long gone and we've had a ton of decommits. Who knows how that's going to work out. Lavin might but we don't. I've been doing this too many years to believe things I can't see. I like our players but there's just not enough of them. If Norm Roberts had the same roster and record he'd be villified here.

 

[1and1sju]

 With Mo likely leaving and Harrison not far behind we need an awful lot of manpower. I wish Steve would spend some time and resources on the end of the bench. They don't all have to be top 100 to be fill ins. This nailbiting over fouls and injuries has to stop.

Mark Jackson would have never let it get this bad. 

 

Sean Evans would never have let it get this bad.

 
No he wouldn't have and wouldn't it have been nice to have someone like him this year? So let's see. We have a losing record. Lavin hasn't coached a game in a dog's age and Moe is sitting on the fence about leaving. That leaves six players and only Branch in the fold. No verbals. No nuthin. How that converts to a bunch of guys smugly saying "in Lavin I trust." Based on what I might ask? My opinion is that all the decommits, no verbals, Polee leaving and maybe Moe leave me just a tad short of the blind faith stuff. I went through Missouri once and I say show me. This is only the second year of the big turnaround and frankly I'm not all that impressed at this moment. I'm willing to listen to anyone who says I'm off base but I'd like a few facts to back it up.

 

I don't have blind faith either, and certainly not everything has gone according to plan. But;

- With a full roster last season Lavin coached/motivated that team to a level of success they had never sniffed. And our first NCAA appearance since Jarvis.

- We had 4 top 100 players in the last ten seasons put together. In year one of his recruiting Lavin equaled that.

- He recruited the program's best player since Artest in Moe.

- Raised the programs profile, as exhibited by our number of games on national television.

Finally, Lavin has a long list of recruiting achievements on his resume. If some of us believe he'll land 2 of the 4 names we're involved with it's because of hard evidence. There was not a coach available that had the recruiting track record Lavin has.

So to wrap it up, coach has succeed on the court, on the recruiting trail, and raised our profile. We're not UNC, I don't demand championships every season. We're substantially better off now than we were two seasons ago.

 
On the other hand Lav inherited a bunch of pretty good ballplayers and found a way to use them. His first recruit is long gone and we've had a ton of decommits. Who knows how that's going to work out. Lavin might but we don't. I've been doing this too many years to believe things I can't see. I like our players but there's just not enough of them. If Norm Roberts had the same roster and record he'd be villified here.

 

Not as much as you think. Because to have this roster Norm would've had to win a few battles on the recruiting trail. That buys you time.