Jay Wright going to the Knicks?

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Speaking of coaches looking for NBA jobs, I hear that former Seton Hall Coach PJ Carlesimo is still trying to get back into college coaching. With your permission of course MJM... :). Ahhhhhh the good old days.
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Rocket said:
Thank you for the clarification. Discussing sports can be confrontational for some if they personalize the critiques of players and coaches. But let's admit that this is no longer the issue of school spirit in support of college "kids". The players are all adults who now leverage any school loyalty with professional aspirations with NIL deals. The days of the 4 year players are over. Your best players will leave in a NY minute for better deals.
Same with coaches.
This is a different college basketball world. You need stronger stomachs to tolerate its commercialization.
You need look at just the football alliances to know it will get more cutthroat and some schools will come to the realization that, like the rest of the civilized world, commercialization of sports is not collegiate and they may be forced to eliminate sports entirely rather than compete in a monopolized cartel of mostly football schools serving as NFL minor leagues.
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I have to disagree, 18, 19, and 20 year old players are still kids. There is no way at that age I was an adult. What transpired last year with posters attacking Beast and the players had absolutely nothing to do with NIL deals. The players were actually crying in the locker room. Yes they lost a winnable game against Villanova, but to attack them and their character was totally "FUCKED UP'.

Loyalty is a two way street, how many on here have posted about players needing to transfer to a lower level or staff needing to encourage them to leave.. What some of y'all don't understand is that playing college football and basketball is a 12 month a year deal. There is no time to get a summer job or internship that will put a few dollars in your pocket or give you something to put on your resume when your playing career is over.

The players are not responsible for the commercialization and bastardization of college sports, it is the NCAA and college administrators. Rather than share some of the profits from Bowl games and the NCAA tournament, the NCAA came up with the NIL which few understand and is already out of control.

Let's be serious, most fans are only concerned with their school winning games, they could give less than a "Fuck" about what happens to the players when their eligibility is over. I can hear it now, players should be responsible for their education. Easier said than done when your scholarship is renewable annually. What happens when a coach says you can't take a class that you need because it interferes with practice?

I think that some on here forget that our players are not just basketball players but actual human beings with the same problems and responsibilities other college students have, along with having to perform to the best of their ability in their respective sport.

To get an understanding of what it is like, especially for Black athletes, I would recommend reading "40 Millioon Dollar Slaves" by William Rhoden.
 
panther2 said:
I have to disagree, 18, 19, and 20 year old players are still kids. There is no way at that age I was an adult. What transpired last year with posters attacking Beast and the players had absolutely nothing to do with NIL deals. The players were actually crying in the locker room. Yes they lost a winnable game against Villanova, but to attack them and their character was totally "FUCKED UP'.

Loyalty is a two way street, how many on here have posted about players needing to transfer to a lower level or staff needing to encourage them to leave.. What some of y'all don't understand is that playing college football and basketball is a 12 month a year deal. There is no time to get a summer job or internship that will put a few dollars in your pocket or give you something to put on your resume when your playing career is over.

The players are not responsible for the commercialization and bastardization of college sports, it is the NCAA and college administrators. Rather than share some of the profits from Bowl games and the NCAA tournament, the NCAA came up with the NIL which few understand and is already out of control.

Let's be serious, most fans are only concerned with their school winning games, they could give less than a "Fuck" about what happens to the players when their eligibility is over. I can hear it now, players should be responsible for their education. Easier said than done when your scholarship is renewable annually. What happens when a coach says you can't take a class that you need because it interferes with practice?

I think that some on here forget that our players are not just basketball players but actual human beings with the same problems and responsibilities other college students have, along with having to perform to the best of their ability in their respective sport.

To get an understanding of what it is like, especially for Black athletes, I would recommend reading "40 Millioon Dollar Slaves" by William Rhoden.
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Panther nah Lee it again and Panther talks from the way he lives. The relationship he has with former players here and all over the place and not just kids who were big time is mind boggling. Panther is a relationship guy that’s why so many players and people in general look up to him including me
 
panther2 said:
I have to disagree, 18, 19, and 20 year old players are still kids. There is no way at that age I was an adult. What transpired last year with posters attacking Beast and the players had absolutely nothing to do with NIL deals. The players were actually crying in the locker room. Yes they lost a winnable game against Villanova, but to attack them and their character was totally "FUCKED UP'.

Loyalty is a two way street, how many on here have posted about players needing to transfer to a lower level or staff needing to encourage them to leave.. What some of y'all don't understand is that playing college football and basketball is a 12 month a year deal. There is no time to get a summer job or internship that will put a few dollars in your pocket or give you something to put on your resume when your playing career is over.

The players are not responsible for the commercialization and bastardization of college sports, it is the NCAA and college administrators. Rather than share some of the profits from Bowl games and the NCAA tournament, the NCAA came up with the NIL which few understand and is already out of control.

Let's be serious, most fans are only concerned with their school winning games, they could give less than a "Fuck" about what happens to the players when their eligibility is over. I can hear it now, players should be responsible for their education. Easier said than done when your scholarship is renewable annually. What happens when a coach says you can't take a class that you need because it interferes with practice?

I think that some on here forget that our players are not just basketball players but actual human beings with the same problems and responsibilities other college students have, along with having to perform to the best of their ability in their respective sport.

To get an understanding of what it is like, especially for Black athletes, I would recommend reading "40 Millioon Dollar Slaves" by William Rhoden.
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I agree with most of what you say except the "kids" part.
The NBA obviously disagrees with your assumption as the best 18, 19 and 20 year old basketball players are in the NBA these days.
I am discussing the college basketball world of 2022 and not 2002. Things have changed for the worse with regard to college basketball.
Many of today's kids in college ball are 21, 22, 23 and on their third school. Some older. You forgot to mention that the majority of schools honor a player's scholarship in other ways after his basketball scholarship is pulled.
Most choose to transfer because, regardless of their skill sets, they put playing a sport ahead of obtaining an education. That is why I referenced the rest of the civilized world where college sports is unheard of. In America we now have a G League and other paid options where most talented players can hone their basketball skills.
I don't recall what happened with other posters last year but it also proves my point that some get too emotionally invested. Of course this obvious even on the pro level.

As for 40 million dollar slaves written 16 years ago focusing only on black athletes, Rhoden spent a good portion of time in his book deep in the past and his current (2006) lense into black athletes bemoaned the fact that although earning millions from playing a sport, they they didn't control more aspects of the sports like management and ownership.
The irony today is that his focus in past when black athletes were fewer in numbers and true minorities, today they make up the vast majority of basketball players with coaches and GM's ubiquitous in the NBA. It has become a black man's sport supported by non-black supporters. It has given rise to hundreds of multi millionaires and a few billionaires not seen anywhere else in the world except in the sport of soccer (football).
 
Rocket said:
I agree with most of what you say except the "kids" part.
The NBA obviously disagrees with your assumption as the best 18, 19 and 20 year old basketball players are in the NBA these days.
I am discussing the college basketball world of 2022 and not 2002. Things have changed for the worse with regard to college basketball.
Many of today's kids in college ball are 21, 22, 23 and on their third school. Some older. You forgot to mention that the majority of schools honor a player's scholarship in other ways after his basketball scholarship is pulled.
Most choose to transfer because, regardless of their skill sets, they put playing a sport ahead of obtaining an education. That is why I referenced the rest of the civilized world where college sports is unheard of. In America we now have a G League and other paid options where most talented players can hone their basketball skills.
I don't recall what happened with other posters last year but it also proves my point that some get too emotionally invested. Of course this obvious even on the pro level.

As for 40 million dollar slaves written 16 years ago focusing only on black athletes, Rhoden spent a good portion of time in his book deep in the past and his current (2006) lense into black athletes bemoaned the fact that although earning millions from playing a sport, they they didn't control more aspects of the sports like management and ownership.
The irony today is that his focus in past when black athletes were fewer in numbers and true minorities, today they make up the vast majority of basketball players with coaches and GM's ubiquitous in the NBA. It has become a black man's sport supported by non-black supporters. It has given rise to hundreds of multi millionaires and a few billionaires not seen anywhere else in the world except in the sport of soccer (football).
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You must be 19 years old to be eligible to play in the NBA.
 
Rocket said:
I agree with most of what you say except the "kids" part.
The NBA obviously disagrees with your assumption as the best 18, 19 and 20 year old basketball players are in the NBA these days.
I am discussing the college basketball world of 2022 and not 2002. Things have changed for the worse with regard to college basketball.
Many of today's kids in college ball are 21, 22, 23 and on their third school. Some older. You forgot to mention that the majority of schools honor a player's scholarship in other ways after his basketball scholarship is pulled.
Most choose to transfer because, regardless of their skill sets, they put playing a sport ahead of obtaining an education. That is why I referenced the rest of the civilized world where college sports is unheard of. In America we now have a G League and other paid options where most talented players can hone their basketball skills.
I don't recall what happened with other posters last year but it also proves my point that some get too emotionally invested. Of course this obvious even on the pro level.

As for 40 million dollar slaves written 16 years ago focusing only on black athletes, Rhoden spent a good portion of time in his book deep in the past and his current (2006) lense into black athletes bemoaned the fact that although earning millions from playing a sport, they they didn't control more aspects of the sports like management and ownership.
The irony today is that his focus in past when black athletes were fewer in numbers and true minorities, today they make up the vast majority of basketball players with coaches and GM's ubiquitous in the NBA. It has become a black man's sport supported by non-black supporters. It has given rise to hundreds of multi millionaires and a few billionaires not seen anywhere else in the world except in the sport of soccer (footb
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Not sure I understand what you are saying Rocket, since there are no 18 year olds in the NBA at the present time. What does the NBA age limit have to do with being an adult? Adam Silver said this past week that he is in favor of lowering the age from 19-18 to enter the NBA Draft? As for the number of transfers, that speaks for immaturity in itself. Being realistic, I have to admit that a lot of today.s youth do not view playing college sports as a means to an end. Too many of them think they will be playing professionally after college, another sign of immaturity and having been misguided.

Your generalizations, leave a lot to be desired. When a player is told not to come back, "most" schools do not find another way to honor the scholarship. Once a player gets to college, no matter what age, he is locked into his sport for 12 months a year. He is not allowed to have a part time job where he can learn about the real world work experience. His growth is stunted . He is dependent on the school for all of his needs.

As for "40 Million Dollar Slaves", you missed the boat completely. Mr Rhoden's premise is that the establishment is going to enrich a segment of the Black population through sports. This is for the financial benefit of the establishment and the enjoyment of a segment of the population that is not Black, ie. SEC Football. In order to reap these benefits, Black Athletes are expected to remain quiet and adhere to "Master's" rules. The sslavery reference goes back to when they had "House Negroes" and "Field Negroes" during slavery. If you want to keep your position as a 'House Negro', you keep quiet and follow the rules, the same principle applies in today's sports. When Lebron spoke up. a female reporter from Fox stated that he should just "Shut up and play". When Kaepernick was going through his travails, many Black players agreed with him, but remained quiet because they did not want to jeopardize the comfortability that playing professional sports allowed them to have.

Apologies to the Mods for getting away from the topic of this thread, but I felt it was important to address this issue.
 
panther2 said:
Not sure I understand what you are saying Rocket, since there are no 18 year olds in the NBA at the present time. What does the NBA age limit have to do with being an adult? Adam Silver said this past week that he is in favor of lowering the age from 19-18 to enter the NBA Draft? As for the number of transfers, that speaks for immaturity in itself. Being realistic, I have to admit that a lot of today.s youth do not view playing college sports as a means to an end. Too many of them think they will be playing professionally after college, another sign of immaturity and having been misguided.

Your generalizations, leave a lot to be desired. When a player is told not to come back, "most" schools do not find another way to honor the scholarship. Once a player gets to college, no matter what age, he is locked into his sport for 12 months a year. He is not allowed to have a part time job where he can learn about the real world work experience. His growth is stunted . He is dependent on the school for all of his needs.

As for "40 Million Dollar Slaves", you missed the boat completely. Mr Rhoden's premise is that the establishment is going to enrich a segment of the Black population through sports. This is for the financial benefit of the establishment and the enjoyment of a segment of the population that is not Black, ie. SEC Football. In order to reap these benefits, Black Athletes are expected to remain quiet and adhere to "Master's" rules. The sslavery reference goes back to when they had "House Negroes" and "Field Negroes" during slavery. If you want to keep your position as a 'House Negro', you keep quiet and follow the rules, the same principle applies in today's sports. When Lebron spoke up. a female reporter from Fox stated that he should just "Shut up and play". When Kaepernick was going through his travails, many Black players agreed with him, but remained quiet because they did not want to jeopardize the comfortability that playing professional sports allowed them to have.

Apologies to the Mods for getting away from the topic of this thread, but I felt it was important to address this issue.
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Not a problem Panther you have more than deserved any tolerance and besides you have earned a certain degree of latitude. And thank you for apologizing.
 
panther2 said:
Not sure I understand what you are saying Rocket, since there are no 18 year olds in the NBA at the present time. What does the NBA age limit have to do with being an adult? Adam Silver said this past week that he is in favor of lowering the age from 19-18 to enter the NBA Draft? As for the number of transfers, that speaks for immaturity in itself. Being realistic, I have to admit that a lot of today.s youth do not view playing college sports as a means to an end. Too many of them think they will be playing professionally after college, another sign of immaturity and having been misguided.

Your generalizations, leave a lot to be desired. When a player is told not to come back, "most" schools do not find another way to honor the scholarship. Once a player gets to college, no matter what age, he is locked into his sport for 12 months a year. He is not allowed to have a part time job where he can learn about the real world work experience. His growth is stunted . He is dependent on the school for all of his needs.

As for "40 Million Dollar Slaves", you missed the boat completely. Mr Rhoden's premise is that the establishment is going to enrich a segment of the Black population through sports. This is for the financial benefit of the establishment and the enjoyment of a segment of the population that is not Black, ie. SEC Football. In order to reap these benefits, Black Athletes are expected to remain quiet and adhere to "Master's" rules. The sslavery reference goes back to when they had "House Negroes" and "Field Negroes" during slavery. If you want to keep your position as a 'House Negro', you keep quiet and follow the rules, the same principle applies in today's sports. When Lebron spoke up. a female reporter from Fox stated that he should just "Shut up and play". When Kaepernick was going through his travails, many Black players agreed with him, but remained quiet because they did not want to jeopardize the comfortability that playing professional sports allowed them to have.

Apologies to the Mods for getting away from the topic of this thread, but I felt it was important to address this issue.
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I did not originally respond on this Jay Wright thread to make any political or race sensitive statements.
Why you injected all of that stuff is beyond me.

The 18 year olds are kids narrative is pure nonsense! In soccer 16 year olds are signed to professional contracts.
The greatest player ever, Pele, started playing for Santos at the age of 15 and the Brazilian national team at age 16.

Speaking of generalizations, where on earth did you gather that a college athlete's growth gets stunted?
You seem, for whatever reason, to be focusing on "black athletes" playing Division 1 sports. My nephew played at St. John Fisher, a very good D3 school in Albany, NY. He was on the basketball team for four years WITHOUT a scholarship. I assure you he and his team mates had to work as hard as any kids you deal with on the college level today.

Your ridiculous assumption that all black players agreed with Kaepernick and chose not to disrespect the national anthem out of financial selfish reasons is what leaves a lot to be desired. To use LeBron James, a billionaire, as an example for ANYTHING is hypocrisy at its finest.
I read 40 Million Dollars Slaves many years ago and perhaps do not see it as inspirational today as you still seem to and feel that whether you are black, white, Asian or Hispanic, if a sport (baseball, football, soccer, basketball, etc.) has made you wealthy beyond the dreams of 99% of the population, spare us commoners the woes you are facing.
 
Rocket said:
I did not originally respond on this Jay Wright thread to make any political or race sensitive statements.
Why you injected all of that stuff is beyond me.

The 18 year olds are kids narrative is pure nonsense! In soccer 16 year olds are signed to professional contracts.
The greatest player ever, Pele, started playing for Santos at the age of 15 and the Brazilian national team at age 16.

Speaking of generalizations, where on earth did you gather that a college athlete's growth gets stunted?
You seem, for whatever reason, to be focusing on "black athletes" playing Division 1 sports. My nephew played at St. John Fisher, a very good D3 school in Albany, NY. He was on the basketball team for four years WITHOUT a scholarship. I assure you he and his team mates had to work as hard as any kids you deal with on the college level today.

Your ridiculous assumption that all black players agreed with Kaepernick and chose not to disrespect the national anthem out of financial selfish reasons is what leaves a lot to be desired. To use LeBron James, a billionaire, as an example for ANYTHING is hypocrisy at its finest.
I read 40 Million Dollars Slaves many years ago and perhaps do not see it as inspirational today as you still seem to and feel that whether you are black, white, Asian or Hispanic, if a sport (baseball, football, soccer, basketball, etc.) has made you wealthy beyond the dreams of 99% of the population, spare us commoners the woes you are facing.
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What you don’t seem to understand is that just because you can play professional sports, at 16, 18 or 19 does not mean you have the financial knowledge to know what to do with your new found millions, which I would have pissed away no doubt at that age. The point was an 18 year old lacks a great deal of maturity , financial and otherwise, I know I certainly did.
As for Colin Kapaernick I am sure many an athlete did not side with him publicly for fear of financial repercussions, the same with many of us who sit quiet during office, team, church, synagogue and/or political meetings as we don’t want to rock the boat for fear of a host of different possible repercussions.
 
Jay Wright did excellent financial planning and has a brain so he will not be joining the NYK...

Also Thibs is one of the best coaches in the league and unless Donovan wants him gone he'll be there for a while...Unless Isiah wants the job
 
redmannorth said:
What you don’t seem to understand is that just because you can play professional sports, at 16, 18 or 19 does not mean you have the financial knowledge to know what to do with your new found millions, which I would have pissed away no doubt at that age. The point was an 18 year old lacks a great deal of maturity , financial and otherwise, I know I certainly did.
As for Colin Kapaernick I am sure many an athlete did not side with him publicly for fear of financial repercussions, the same with many of us who sit quiet during office, team, church, synagogue and/or political meetings as we don’t want to rock the boat for fear of a host of different possible repercussions.
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At the same time RN, I'm sure there are plenty of athletes across many sports who did not approve of at least some of CK's actions but didn't speak out against him out of fear of repurcussions. It works both ways.
 
monte said:
At the same time RN, I'm sure there are plenty of athletes across many sports who did not approve of at least some of CK's actions but didn't speak out against him out of fear of repurcussions. It works both ways.
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I know I’m afraid to comment either way on these posts 🤪🤣😂
 
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