Jacob deGrom

[mjmaherjr]

Giancarlo Stanton just sounded off on the Marlins futility again leading to trade speculation.

I would bet the house and literally tell the Marlins to please pick someone from our rotation, bullpen and a position player from the minors thank you.

What would you give up for him?

for him I'd give up a lot. I'd have to think about which players and how many but I don't have the same feeling like I would have for Tulo

 

[Andrew]

David Wright and Granderson

 

[mjmaherjr]

David Wright and Granderson

I'd give them up just to make the line quicker at shake shack in centerfield

 

[MainMan]

Giancarlo Stanton just sounded off on the Marlins futility again leading to trade speculation.

I would bet the house and literally tell the Marlins to please pick someone from our rotation, bullpen and a position player from the minors thank you.

What would you give up for him?

for him I'd give up a lot. I'd have to think about which players and how many but I don't have the same feeling like I would have for Tulo

I think he's a franchise changing player a la Piazza.

 

[Marillac]

I was at the game today. Man, Dilson Herrera is just raking. He had triple and a homer with three RBI. He's hitting over .300 (at his third level this year!) and already has a few walks. His defense is clearly not there yet but he is going to be an all-star.

Stanton crushes the ball. It's really hard to appreciate that from TV. I thought he had three homers today and they all went about 400 feet but that park is enormous. At least one would have been out of citifield and all three would have been out of most stadiums. It's amazing he has 34 homers this year playing half his games there . He will command a ridiculous contract in two years. Mets are probably better off just getting someone in free agency. Herrera and deGrom are two incredible surprises.

Why does Herrera have to play the same position as our best hitter! It might be time to trade wright and move Murphy to third. Somebody would give up big prospects for him right now.

 

[MainMan]

Can Dilson play SS?

 

[jumbo_peanuts]

I was at the game today. Man, Dilson Herrera is just raking. He had triple and a homer with three RBI. He's hitting over .300 (at his third level this year!) and already has a few walks. His defense is clearly not there yet but he is going to be an all-star.

Stanton crushes the ball. It's really hard to appreciate that from TV. I thought he had three homers today and they all went about 400 feet but that park is enormous. At least one would have been out of citifield and all three would have been out of most stadiums. It's amazing he has 34 homers this year playing half his games there . He will command a ridiculous contract in two years. Mets are probably better off just getting someone in free agency. Herrera and deGrom are two incredible surprises.

Why does Herrera have to play the same position as our best hitter! It might be time to trade wright and move Murphy to third. Somebody would give up big prospects for him right now.

Give up big prospects for who? Herrera or Wright?

 

[Marillac]

I was at the game today. Man, Dilson Herrera is just raking. He had triple and a homer with three RBI. He's hitting over .300 (at his third level this year!) and already has a few walks. His defense is clearly not there yet but he is going to be an all-star.

Stanton crushes the ball. It's really hard to appreciate that from TV. I thought he had three homers today and they all went about 400 feet but that park is enormous. At least one would have been out of citifield and all three would have been out of most stadiums. It's amazing he has 34 homers this year playing half his games there . He will command a ridiculous contract in two years. Mets are probably better off just getting someone in free agency. Herrera and deGrom are two incredible surprises.

Why does Herrera have to play the same position as our best hitter! It might be time to trade wright and move Murphy to third. Somebody would give up big prospects for him right now.

Give up big prospects for who? Herrera or Wright?

I wouldn't think of trading Herrera. 20 years old and hitting like that? Herrera is something else. He hit .340 with a .40 OBP with 10 homers, 9 steals, 17 doubles, and three triples in 61 games as the youngest player in AA this year.

I was referring to Wright. This time of year teams overspend to add difference makers. The Mets robbed the Pirates last year to get Herrera (and Vic Black)for Marlon Byrd and John Buck! After the trade deadline, mind you. Wright seems to be in decline and we have two offensive weapons in Herrera and Murphy that could take the position while giving the brass a ton of money to go after an offensive-minded OF'er with a bluechip prospect or two to stash.
I'd think Wright would bring a contender's top offensive prospect near the AA level and a top ten pitcher. I trust Sandy's eye to pick out the right pitcher.

 

[Andrew]

I was at the game today. Man, Dilson Herrera is just raking. He had triple and a homer with three RBI. He's hitting over .300 (at his third level this year!) and already has a few walks. His defense is clearly not there yet but he is going to be an all-star.

Stanton crushes the ball. It's really hard to appreciate that from TV. I thought he had three homers today and they all went about 400 feet but that park is enormous. At least one would have been out of citifield and all three would have been out of most stadiums. It's amazing he has 34 homers this year playing half his games there . He will command a ridiculous contract in two years. Mets are probably better off just getting someone in free agency. Herrera and deGrom are two incredible surprises.

Why does Herrera have to play the same position as our best hitter! It might be time to trade wright and move Murphy to third. Somebody would give up big prospects for him right now.

Give up big prospects for who? Herrera or Wright?

I wouldn't think of trading Herrera. 20 years old and hitting like that? Herrera is something else. He hit .340 with a .40 OBP with 10 homers, 9 steals, 17 doubles, and three triples in 61 games as the youngest player in AA this year.

I was referring to Wright. This time of year teams overspend to add difference makers. The Mets robbed the Pirates last year to get Herrera (and Vic Black)for Marlon Byrd and John Buck! After the trade deadline, mind you. Wright seems to be in decline and we have two offensive weapons in Herrera and Murphy that could take the position while giving the brass a ton of money to go after an offensive-minded OF'er with a bluechip prospect or two to stash.
I'd think Wright would bring a contender's top offensive prospect near the AA level and a top ten pitcher. I trust Sandy's eye to pick out the right pitcher.

I would love to trade Wright to free up salary. I just don't think there would be too many takers for a .265 hitter with eight home runs due 100 million dollars over the next five years.

 

[fuchsia]

Unless Wright is physically broken down to the point of no recovery, regression to the mean (lifetime 300 hitter with about 20 hr's per) should be expected. Unfortunately, Murphy is a great American League third basemen/DH playing second base in the National League. If Murph comes back from his injury on a hitting tear, get what you can for him after this great year at bat.

 

[jumbo_peanuts]

I was at the game today. Man, Dilson Herrera is just raking. He had triple and a homer with three RBI. He's hitting over .300 (at his third level this year!) and already has a few walks. His defense is clearly not there yet but he is going to be an all-star.

Stanton crushes the ball. It's really hard to appreciate that from TV. I thought he had three homers today and they all went about 400 feet but that park is enormous. At least one would have been out of citifield and all three would have been out of most stadiums. It's amazing he has 34 homers this year playing half his games there . He will command a ridiculous contract in two years. Mets are probably better off just getting someone in free agency. Herrera and deGrom are two incredible surprises.

Why does Herrera have to play the same position as our best hitter! It might be time to trade wright and move Murphy to third. Somebody would give up big prospects for him right now.

Give up big prospects for who? Herrera or Wright?

I wouldn't think of trading Herrera. 20 years old and hitting like that? Herrera is something else. He hit .340 with a .40 OBP with 10 homers, 9 steals, 17 doubles, and three triples in 61 games as the youngest player in AA this year.

I was referring to Wright. This time of year teams overspend to add difference makers. The Mets robbed the Pirates last year to get Herrera (and Vic Black)for Marlon Byrd and John Buck! After the trade deadline, mind you. Wright seems to be in decline and we have two offensive weapons in Herrera and Murphy that could take the position while giving the brass a ton of money to go after an offensive-minded OF'er with a bluechip prospect or two to stash.
I'd think Wright would bring a contender's top offensive prospect near the AA level and a top ten pitcher. I trust Sandy's eye to pick out the right pitcher.

As a Pirates fan (so I may be a little biased), I wouldn't necessarily say that the Mets robbed them. I think it was a fairly even trade for that time of the year. The trade basically ended up being Marlon Byrd for Herrera. Vic Black is a middle reliever (which are a dime a dozen) and John Buck was a throw in player/salary dump for the Mets...so I would say that those two cancel each other out. In regards to Byrd, the Pirates rented a 'veteran' outfielder who immediately upgraded a great position of need, and they got him relatively cheap (I think they paid him less than $1M for the rest of the season), meanwhile the Mets got a decent prospect for getting rid of an 'old' player that was a free agent and the mets probably weren't going to resign anyways, especially after the deal he got from Philly. The key to this trade will be Herrera. The Pirates have one of the best farm systems in baseball, so they could definitely afford to lose Herrera. And remember, Herrera is a very young and raw prospect, and is probably still at least 3-4 years away from the majors. He has all the tools/potential in the world, but who knows if he will ever develop them enough to be an everyday player. That's the funny thing about baseball, all these players are drafted and traded based on potential, but how many of them actually pan out? All in all, I would say that it was a win for both teams. The pirates got their right fielder they needed for the playoffs, and all they gave up was a lower minor league level prospect. And the mets got rid of a player who wasn't in their long term plans anyways, and in return they got a young player with potential.

As far as David Wright goes, I just don't see the demand for him. He is an older player who is clearly on the decline of his career. Plus, he made just under $20M this year, and I am assuming his salary next year will be somewhat close to that. That's a lot of money to invest in a 31year old who is coming off of a down year. His best option would be to go somewhere in the AL as a DH, but I don't see any of the AL teams needing a DH or a bat off the bench that badly.

 

[kranmars]

I was at the game today. Man, Dilson Herrera is just raking. He had triple and a homer with three RBI. He's hitting over .300 (at his third level this year!) and already has a few walks. His defense is clearly not there yet but he is going to be an all-star.

Stanton crushes the ball. It's really hard to appreciate that from TV. I thought he had three homers today and they all went about 400 feet but that park is enormous. At least one would have been out of citifield and all three would have been out of most stadiums. It's amazing he has 34 homers this year playing half his games there . He will command a ridiculous contract in two years. Mets are probably better off just getting someone in free agency. Herrera and deGrom are two incredible surprises.

Why does Herrera have to play the same position as our best hitter! It might be time to trade wright and move Murphy to third. Somebody would give up big prospects for him right now.

Give up big prospects for who? Herrera or Wright?

I wouldn't think of trading Herrera. 20 years old and hitting like that? Herrera is something else. He hit .340 with a .40 OBP with 10 homers, 9 steals, 17 doubles, and three triples in 61 games as the youngest player in AA this year.

I was referring to Wright. This time of year teams overspend to add difference makers. The Mets robbed the Pirates last year to get Herrera (and Vic Black)for Marlon Byrd and John Buck! After the trade deadline, mind you. Wright seems to be in decline and we have two offensive weapons in Herrera and Murphy that could take the position while giving the brass a ton of money to go after an offensive-minded OF'er with a bluechip prospect or two to stash.
I'd think Wright would bring a contender's top offensive prospect near the AA level and a top ten pitcher. I trust Sandy's eye to pick out the right pitcher.

As a Pirates fan (so I may be a little biased), I wouldn't necessarily say that the Mets robbed them. I think it was a fairly even trade for that time of the year. The trade basically ended up being Marlon Byrd for Herrera. Vic Black is a middle reliever (which are a dime a dozen) and John Buck was a throw in player/salary dump for the Mets...so I would say that those two cancel each other out. In regards to Byrd, the Pirates rented a 'veteran' outfielder who immediately upgraded a great position of need, and they got him relatively cheap (I think they paid him less than $1M for the rest of the season), meanwhile the Mets got a decent prospect for getting rid of an 'old' player that was a free agent and the mets probably weren't going to resign anyways, especially after the deal he got from Philly. The key to this trade will be Herrera. The Pirates have one of the best farm systems in baseball, so they could definitely afford to lose Herrera. And remember, Herrera is a very young and raw prospect, and is probably still at least 3-4 years away from the majors. He has all the tools/potential in the world, but who knows if he will ever develop them enough to be an everyday player. That's the funny thing about baseball, all these players are drafted and traded based on potential, but how many of them actually pan out? All in all, I would say that it was a win for both teams. The pirates got their right fielder they needed for the playoffs, and all they gave up was a lower minor league level prospect. And the mets got rid of a player who wasn't in their long term plans anyways, and in return they got a young player with potential.

As far as David Wright goes, I just don't see the demand for him. He is an older player who is clearly on the decline of his career. Plus, he made just under $20M this year, and I am assuming his salary next year will be somewhat close to that. That's a lot of money to invest in a 31year old who is coming off of a down year. His best option would be to go somewhere in the AL as a DH, but I don't see any of the AL teams needing a DH or a bat off the bench that badly.

You do know that Herrera has been starting at second for the Mets, right? While I will admit as a fan, you need to use the term "majors" loosely when describing the Mets, it still does count.

 

[jumbo_peanuts]

I was at the game today. Man, Dilson Herrera is just raking. He had triple and a homer with three RBI. He's hitting over .300 (at his third level this year!) and already has a few walks. His defense is clearly not there yet but he is going to be an all-star.

Stanton crushes the ball. It's really hard to appreciate that from TV. I thought he had three homers today and they all went about 400 feet but that park is enormous. At least one would have been out of citifield and all three would have been out of most stadiums. It's amazing he has 34 homers this year playing half his games there . He will command a ridiculous contract in two years. Mets are probably better off just getting someone in free agency. Herrera and deGrom are two incredible surprises.

Why does Herrera have to play the same position as our best hitter! It might be time to trade wright and move Murphy to third. Somebody would give up big prospects for him right now.

Give up big prospects for who? Herrera or Wright?

I wouldn't think of trading Herrera. 20 years old and hitting like that? Herrera is something else. He hit .340 with a .40 OBP with 10 homers, 9 steals, 17 doubles, and three triples in 61 games as the youngest player in AA this year.

I was referring to Wright. This time of year teams overspend to add difference makers. The Mets robbed the Pirates last year to get Herrera (and Vic Black)for Marlon Byrd and John Buck! After the trade deadline, mind you. Wright seems to be in decline and we have two offensive weapons in Herrera and Murphy that could take the position while giving the brass a ton of money to go after an offensive-minded OF'er with a bluechip prospect or two to stash.
I'd think Wright would bring a contender's top offensive prospect near the AA level and a top ten pitcher. I trust Sandy's eye to pick out the right pitcher.

As a Pirates fan (so I may be a little biased), I wouldn't necessarily say that the Mets robbed them. I think it was a fairly even trade for that time of the year. The trade basically ended up being Marlon Byrd for Herrera. Vic Black is a middle reliever (which are a dime a dozen) and John Buck was a throw in player/salary dump for the Mets...so I would say that those two cancel each other out. In regards to Byrd, the Pirates rented a 'veteran' outfielder who immediately upgraded a great position of need, and they got him relatively cheap (I think they paid him less than $1M for the rest of the season), meanwhile the Mets got a decent prospect for getting rid of an 'old' player that was a free agent and the mets probably weren't going to resign anyways, especially after the deal he got from Philly. The key to this trade will be Herrera. The Pirates have one of the best farm systems in baseball, so they could definitely afford to lose Herrera. And remember, Herrera is a very young and raw prospect, and is probably still at least 3-4 years away from the majors. He has all the tools/potential in the world, but who knows if he will ever develop them enough to be an everyday player. That's the funny thing about baseball, all these players are drafted and traded based on potential, but how many of them actually pan out? All in all, I would say that it was a win for both teams. The pirates got their right fielder they needed for the playoffs, and all they gave up was a lower minor league level prospect. And the mets got rid of a player who wasn't in their long term plans anyways, and in return they got a young player with potential.

As far as David Wright goes, I just don't see the demand for him. He is an older player who is clearly on the decline of his career. Plus, he made just under $20M this year, and I am assuming his salary next year will be somewhat close to that. That's a lot of money to invest in a 31year old who is coming off of a down year. His best option would be to go somewhere in the AL as a DH, but I don't see any of the AL teams needing a DH or a bat off the bench that badly.

You do know that Herrera has been starting at second for the Mets, right? While I will admit as a fan, you need to use the term "majors" loosely when describing the Mets, it still does count.

Ok, let me rephrase that. Herrera is still 3-4yrs away from the majors developmentally-wise. Just because he is playing there, that doesn't mean that he should be.

 

[MainMan]

We have a young reliever with a 2.20 ERA and a very young infield prospect who has lit up the minors.

You don't have anything.

Sorry, but you wuz robbed.

 

[Marillac]

I was at the game today. Man, Dilson Herrera is just raking. He had triple and a homer with three RBI. He's hitting over .300 (at his third level this year!) and already has a few walks. His defense is clearly not there yet but he is going to be an all-star.

Stanton crushes the ball. It's really hard to appreciate that from TV. I thought he had three homers today and they all went about 400 feet but that park is enormous. At least one would have been out of citifield and all three would have been out of most stadiums. It's amazing he has 34 homers this year playing half his games there . He will command a ridiculous contract in two years. Mets are probably better off just getting someone in free agency. Herrera and deGrom are two incredible surprises.

Why does Herrera have to play the same position as our best hitter! It might be time to trade wright and move Murphy to third. Somebody would give up big prospects for him right now.

Give up big prospects for who? Herrera or Wright?

I wouldn't think of trading Herrera. 20 years old and hitting like that? Herrera is something else. He hit .340 with a .40 OBP with 10 homers, 9 steals, 17 doubles, and three triples in 61 games as the youngest player in AA this year.

I was referring to Wright. This time of year teams overspend to add difference makers. The Mets robbed the Pirates last year to get Herrera (and Vic Black)for Marlon Byrd and John Buck! After the trade deadline, mind you. Wright seems to be in decline and we have two offensive weapons in Herrera and Murphy that could take the position while giving the brass a ton of money to go after an offensive-minded OF'er with a bluechip prospect or two to stash.
I'd think Wright would bring a contender's top offensive prospect near the AA level and a top ten pitcher. I trust Sandy's eye to pick out the right pitcher.

As a Pirates fan (so I may be a little biased), I wouldn't necessarily say that the Mets robbed them. I think it was a fairly even trade for that time of the year. The trade basically ended up being Marlon Byrd for Herrera. Vic Black is a middle reliever (which are a dime a dozen) and John Buck was a throw in player/salary dump for the Mets...so I would say that those two cancel each other out. In regards to Byrd, the Pirates rented a 'veteran' outfielder who immediately upgraded a great position of need, and they got him relatively cheap (I think they paid him less than $1M for the rest of the season), meanwhile the Mets got a decent prospect for getting rid of an 'old' player that was a free agent and the mets probably weren't going to resign anyways, especially after the deal he got from Philly. The key to this trade will be Herrera. The Pirates have one of the best farm systems in baseball, so they could definitely afford to lose Herrera. And remember, Herrera is a very young and raw prospect, and is probably still at least 3-4 years away from the majors. He has all the tools/potential in the world, but who knows if he will ever develop them enough to be an everyday player. That's the funny thing about baseball, all these players are drafted and traded based on potential, but how many of them actually pan out? All in all, I would say that it was a win for both teams. The pirates got their right fielder they needed for the playoffs, and all they gave up was a lower minor league level prospect. And the mets got rid of a player who wasn't in their long term plans anyways, and in return they got a young player with potential.

As far as David Wright goes, I just don't see the demand for him. He is an older player who is clearly on the decline of his career. Plus, he made just under $20M this year, and I am assuming his salary next year will be somewhat close to that. That's a lot of money to invest in a 31year old who is coming off of a down year. His best option would be to go somewhere in the AL as a DH, but I don't see any of the AL teams needing a DH or a bat off the bench that badly.

You do know that Herrera has been starting at second for the Mets, right? While I will admit as a fan, you need to use the term "majors" loosely when describing the Mets, it still does count.

Ok, let me rephrase that. Herrera is still 3-4yrs away from the majors developmentally-wise. Just because he is playing there, that doesn't mean that he should be.

I disagree, and I find the 3-4 year estimate to be somewhat absurd for a kid that already has a homer, a triple, and a pair of walks in his first four games. Herrera has TREMENDOUS bat speed. He is one of three guys to hit .340 at AA for the Mets in at least 200 at bats over the last 15 or so years (Jay Peyton and David Wright being the others). He did it as the youngest player in AA, and he did so with power and patience at the plate (.406 OBP). They simplified his swing to mitigate the strikeout problem he had early in his career. I'd expect him to start next season on the roster, but even if he doesn't, he will certainly end the season on it and most likely starting. There is no possible scenario, short of a career-threatening injury, that keeps Herrera from starting at 2nd in 2016 from day one.

He was flat-out raking at AA and hitting .340 combined with his hot start with the Mets in the majors, gives way to a reasonable expectation of a .280 B.A. as a rookie next year with 50-60 extra base hits (over a full season).

I also think you are selling Vic Black short. The guy has been nearly automatic the second half of the season and now has an era of 2.20 with a whip of 1.29 and hitters are only batting .203 against him. He is a huge part of the bullpen for the Mets going forward and only turned 26 a few months ago. He stranded 21 consecutive inherited runners.

I agree that the Pirates had a loaded farm system, but Dilson was ranked #9 at the time of the trade and already was named the

 

[mjmaherjr]

Pitt gave away as much as to be considered a charity for tax purposes on that trade

 

[jumbo_peanuts]

We have a young reliever with a 2.20 ERA and a very young infield prospect who has lit up the minors.

You don't have anything.

Sorry, but you wuz robbed.

we had a playoff appearance last year...and a winning record this year. How's black and hererra helping your 65-74 record?

 

[MainMan]

We have a young reliever with a 2.20 ERA and a very young infield prospect who has lit up the minors.

You don't have anything.

Sorry, but you wuz robbed.

we had a playoff appearance last year...and a winning record this year. How's black and hererra helping your 65-74 record?

Byrd did well for you. And now he's doing well for the Phillies.

The problem is you gave up two quality players to rent him when all you had to do was give us a bag of balls.

One of those players just turned 20 and is in the show right now. And while the "player to be named later" is usually the third string catcher from your third string A ball club, you instead gave us a young, major-league ready pitcher whose 2.20 ERA would look great in that rather weak pen of yours.

Advantage Mets.

 

[jumbo_peanuts]

We have a young reliever with a 2.20 ERA and a very young infield prospect who has lit up the minors.

You don't have anything.

Sorry, but you wuz robbed.

we had a playoff appearance last year...and a winning record this year. How's black and hererra helping your 65-74 record?

Byrd did well for you. And now he's doing well for the Phillies.

The problem is you gave up two quality players to rent him when all you had to do was give us a bag of balls.

One of those players just turned 20 and is in the show right now. And while the "player to be named later" is usually the third string catcher from your third string A ball club, you instead gave us a young, major-league ready pitcher whose 2.20 ERA would look great in that rather weak pen of yours.

Advantage Mets.

I guess it all depends on how you look at things. Personally, I would rather get a player that can help you win right now, which is what Byrd did, rather than hold on to a player that MIGHT help you at some point down the road, especially considering the Pirate's future is still looking very good. Sure, the Mets got a 20yr old who very well may be one of their middle infielders for the next 5-10years, and a solid middle reliever. By the way, that middle reliever, is that the same middle reliever that has pitched in only 1/5 of the teams games this year? And right now, the Mets bullpen is 5th in the NL with an ERA of 3.31, and the Pirates are 8th with an ERA of 3.43, so its not like their bullpen is that much better.

I'm not saying that it was a bad trade for the Mets, it was a good trade. But it was also a good trade for the Pirates, too. Both teams got what they wanted. It was not a situation where the Mets 'robbed' the Pirates. And here is my biggest point....yes, the Mets got what could turn out to be 2 quality players, but what good are those players on a losing team?

 

[MainMan]

Come back to me when we're 120-42 next season with Dilson as MVP and Black with the cy young.