Is St John's A Sleeping Giant?

Lavin can recruit, give him time. Look how many times Syracuse fell short with all their talent.
If SJU wins a national championship the whole city will watch us and they'll be a parade down Broadway. Then we'll be on our way. SJU needs a guy like Kemba Walker who can carry a team. SJU hasn't had a guy like that since Boo Harvey.
 
Lavin can recruit, give him time. Look how many times Syracuse fell short with all their talent.
If SJU wins a national championship the whole city will watch us and they'll be a parade down Broadway. Then we'll be on our way. SJU needs a guy like Kemba Walker who can carry a team. SJU hasn't had a guy like that since Boo Harvey.
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Marcus Hatten carried the team. Too bad he didn't have much talent around him.

I'm not against having a guy "carry the team," but I prefer a team that is capable of carrying one another.
 
The buzz is out of our program Coach better get it back fast. or we will be bringing in a replacement We pay to much money to not get us to the dance
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I didn't realize we pay Coach Steve anything. If anyone on this board thinks we should be discussing his performance in relation to compensation, it probably should have a separate thread. Me, I don't know what he makes, and never gave it a thought. I would like to see the program start winning on a regular basis.
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Yes jrhoops1949 -(and I like the year, 1949, and wasn't Edgar Allen Poe born 1849? and the 49ers?)
Here is the point, my point,
1. let's give Coach Lavin a realistic chance and stop putting rigid formula in place e.g. we have to get to this tournament by this year; it took PJ how many years to get Seton Hall on top?

2. let's reflect on whom would do a better job coaching? is there someone who brings more to the table with recruiting, coaching, positive attention, money, magnetism...He's NOT PERFECT but there's no (available) one better;

3.overall we're headed in the right direction but for a few flukes here and there which many posters are more aware of than I a novice e.g. had Harkless stayed, had Sanchez been eligible and the like;

4. and hey, these problems are positive - with Roberts and Jarvis we would not fret a kid leaving early, we would not fret missing out on a top recruit...we had no "leave early/one and done" recruits; we had no top 100 kids of character even glancing at the program...perspective, Lavin (he's not perfect) brings a lot and no available coach would bring more imho

How many generals did the great and honorable Lincoln hire before he got it right (let's see Burnside, Hooker, Meade, McClennan, Mahoney, Franschila, Jarvis, Roberts) and then hired the ultimately great Grant but not before Ulysses cut his teeth for a few years, and had his losses

let's give Lavin a few more years to cut his teeth and stop putting, again, unrealistic timeframes on the program, we've had more excitement and interest at St. John's since this side of Landing on the a Moon, ohhhh wait, please, wait, before I p...off some pro-Louie person who thinks I'm disparaging our great coach Carnesecca. I'm not.

Let's just give it more time (just a little more time and our love will surely grow - whatever song that was) ;) ;)

all the best

thanks and all the best
I see I'm repeating myself
 
The buzz is out of our program Coach better get it back fast. or we will be bringing in a replacement We pay to much money to not get us to the dance
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I didn't realize we pay Coach Steve anything. If anyone on this board thinks we should be discussing his performance in relation to compensation, it probably should have a separate thread. Me, I don't know what he makes, and never gave it a thought. I would like to see the program start winning on a regular basis.
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Yes jrhoops1949 -(and I like the year, 1949, and wasn't Edgar Allen Poe born 1849? and the 49ers?)
Here is the point, my point,
1. let's give Coach Lavin a realistic chance and stop putting rigid formula in place e.g. we have to get to this tournament by this year; it took PJ how many years to get Seton Hall on top?

2. let's reflect on whom would do a better job coaching? is there someone who brings more to the table with recruiting, coaching, positive attention, money, magnetism...He's NOT PERFECT but there's no (available) one better;

3.overall we're headed in the right direction but for a few flukes here and there which many posters are more aware of than I a novice e.g. had Harkless stayed, had Sanchez been eligible and the like;

4. and hey, these problems are positive - with Roberts and Jarvis we would not fret a kid leaving early, we would not fret missing out on a top recruit...we had no "leave early/one and done" recruits; we had no top 100 kids of character even glancing at the program...perspective, Lavin (he's not perfect) brings a lot and no available coach would bring more imho

How many generals did the great and honorable Lincoln hire before he got it right (let's see Burnside, Hooker, Meade, McClennan, Mahoney, Franschila, Jarvis, Roberts) and then hired the ultimately great Grant but not before Ulysses cut his teeth for a few years, and had his losses

let's give Lavin a few more years to cut his teeth and stop putting, again, unrealistic timeframes on the program, we've had more excitement and interest at St. John's since this side of Landing on the a Moon, ohhhh wait, please, wait, before I p...off some pro-Louie person who thinks I'm disparaging our great coach Carnesecca. I'm not.

Let's just give it more time (just a little more time and our love will surely grow - whatever song that was) ;) ;)

all the best

thanks and all the best
I see I'm repeating myself
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PS There actually was a General (Benjaman Stone) Roberts for the Union Army
 
Giving Lavin an ultimatum to make the NCAAs next year or he's out is absolutely ridiculous. Look back at how long it was after Coach K, Boeheim, Calhoun, and currently, Tom Creanwith Indiana, took over and became perennial NCAA powerhouses, and even champions. It didn't happen after only two or even three years. Yes, some of them started out faster than others, Boeheim, specifically. The point is, it took some time for these guys to get their programs to an elite, or in Crean's case, back to an elite level.

I'll be down on Lavin if we're still a mediocre team after five years.
 
Giving Lavin an ultimatum to make the NCAAs next year or he's out is absolutely ridiculous. Look back at how long it was after Coach K, Boeheim, Calhoun, and currently, Tom Creanwith Indiana, took over and became perennial NCAA powerhouses, and even champions. It didn't happen after only two or even three years. Yes, some of them started out faster than others, Boeheim, specifically. The point is, it took some time for these guys to get their programs to an elite, or in Crean's case, back to an elite level.

I'll be down on Lavin if we're still a mediocre team after five years.
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I think he has a six-year deal, and he himself said if he doesn't get it done within that time he wouldn't be here.

He knows he's under the gun, but I think the administration's timeline is much different from the fans' unless he only wins about five games next season.
 
Giving Lavin an ultimatum to make the NCAAs next year or he's out is absolutely ridiculous. Look back at how long it was after Coach K, Boeheim, Calhoun, and currently, Tom Creanwith Indiana, took over and became perennial NCAA powerhouses, and even champions. It didn't happen after only two or even three years. Yes, some of them started out faster than others, Boeheim, specifically. The point is, it took some time for these guys to get their programs to an elite, or in Crean's case, back to an elite level.

I'll be down on Lavin if we're still a mediocre team after five years.
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I think he has a six-year deal, and he himself said if he doesn't get it done within that time he wouldn't be here.

He knows he's under the gun, but I think the administration's timeline is much different from the fans' unless he only wins about five games next season.
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Agreed. Something catastrophic would have to happen either on the court or off for Lavin to be let go after next year.
 
Giving Lavin an ultimatum to make the NCAAs next year or he's out is absolutely ridiculous. Look back at how long it was after Coach K, Boeheim, Calhoun, and currently, Tom Creanwith Indiana, took over and became perennial NCAA powerhouses, and even champions. It didn't happen after only two or even three years. Yes, some of them started out faster than others, Boeheim, specifically. The point is, it took some time for these guys to get their programs to an elite, or in Crean's case, back to an elite level.
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I'll be down on Lavin if we're still a mediocre team after five years.
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Do not think we can wait 5 yrs for a mediocre team. it would put our program back tens yrs again Needs results long before that and it he can not deliver need to change.
 
With top coaches getting fired after making the NCAAs it kind of makes you wonder why we're willing to wait five more years (eight in total) for something good to happen here. Add in the recruiting whiff for 2013 and the one and done front court next year and you have to wonder where it's all headed. We should be better next year but replacing Harrison isn't going to be that easy. Can anyone really project success in 2014/15?.
 
With top coaches getting fired after making the NCAAs it kind of makes you wonder why we're willing to wait five more years (eight in total) for something good to happen here. Add in the recruiting whiff for 2013 and the one and done front court next year and you have to wonder where it's all headed. We should be better next year but replacing Harrison isn't going to be that easy. Can anyone really project success in 2014/15?.
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can anyone predict failure in 2014/15 ? Jeez why not play 2013-14 first and see what happens
 
Giving Lavin an ultimatum to make the NCAAs next year or he's out is absolutely ridiculous. Look back at how long it was after Coach K, Boeheim, Calhoun, and currently, Tom Creanwith Indiana, took over and became perennial NCAA powerhouses, and even champions. It didn't happen after only two or even three years. Yes, some of them started out faster than others, Boeheim, specifically. The point is, it took some time for these guys to get their programs to an elite, or in Crean's case, back to an elite level.
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I'll be down on Lavin if we're still a mediocre team after five years.
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Do not think we can wait 5 yrs for a mediocre team. it would put our program back tens yrs again Needs results long before that and it he can not deliver need to change.
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Where is this five years coming from? I think it was a six-year deal and he's been here three. If he doesn't get it done, you only have to wait three more seasons, not five.
 
Giving Lavin an ultimatum to make the NCAAs next year or he's out is absolutely ridiculous. Look back at how long it was after Coach K, Boeheim, Calhoun, and currently, Tom Creanwith Indiana, took over and became perennial NCAA powerhouses, and even champions. It didn't happen after only two or even three years. Yes, some of them started out faster than others, Boeheim, specifically. The point is, it took some time for these guys to get their programs to an elite, or in Crean's case, back to an elite level.
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I'll be down on Lavin if we're still a mediocre team after five years.
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Do not think we can wait 5 yrs for a mediocre team. it would put our program back tens yrs again Needs results long before that and it he can not deliver need to change.
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Where is this five years coming from? I think it was a six-year deal and he's been here three. If he doesn't get it done, you only have to wait three more seasons, not five.
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I will predict that st johns (if everyone returns including Harrison) will be rated in the top 10 next year. It is that simple. With the force we will have in the front court, the other teams will need to back off our guards giving them more time to set up and shoot. If they don't it will be a feast for our team under the basket. It is going to be a very good year. As for the NCAA we will, of course, be in it and how far we go will in the end depend on luck.
 
I I don't agree with those who think next season is going to produce a radical improvement. I do think that the 2014-2015 team will have high expectation to make the NCAA tournament, and perhaps go a few rounds in.
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Beast next year Sanchez and Sampson will be our 2 best players, now if we don`t kick ass next year and dont open any top recruiters eyes and have them want to come then we`ll get Pointer and Green types which are bench players on top teams.
Next year Pointer, Garrett, and Green will be off the bench where they belong.
If no elite player comes in then pointer, Green, and Garrett will be starting again in 2 years, oh yeah we`ll be better then with Sanchez and Sampson gone, uhuh.
No excuses next year. We`ll have seniors and juniors so no oh "we`re young" excuses next year.
Lavin just has to get iyt done. some how some way
 
Giving Lavin an ultimatum to make the NCAAs next year or he's out is absolutely ridiculous. Look back at how long it was after Coach K, Boeheim, Calhoun, and currently, Tom Creanwith Indiana, took over and became perennial NCAA powerhouses, and even champions. It didn't happen after only two or even three years. Yes, some of them started out faster than others, Boeheim, specifically. The point is, it took some time for these guys to get their programs to an elite, or in Crean's case, back to an elite level.
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I'll be down on Lavin if we're still a mediocre team after five years.
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Do not think we can wait 5 yrs for a mediocre team. it would put our program back tens yrs again Needs results long before that and it he can not deliver need to change.
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Where is this five years coming from? I think it was a six-year deal and he's been here three. If he doesn't get it done, you only have to wait three more seasons, not five.
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I will predict that st johns (if everyone returns including Harrison) will be rated in the top 10 next year. It is that simple. With the force we will have in the front court, the other teams will need to back off our guards giving them more time to set up and shoot. If they don't it will be a feast for our team under the basket. It is going to be a very good year. As for the NCAA we will, of course, be in it and how far we go will in the end depend on luck.
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Top ten, based on what? Talent on paper? On paper, we should have made the NCAA and have gone a few rounds this year. We have as many top 100 players as almost any team in the country and where did that get us? We still need coaching to get to top 10 status. We still need shooting to get to top ten status. We still need players with the right attitude to get us to top ten status, all of which there have been no signs to date. In terms of how far we go will depend on luck? If you look at the teams still playing today, luck has nothing to do with it. Great coaching, disciplined play and a good game plan, good shooting and great defense has determined how far any team has gotten. Which one of these attributes has our team demonstrated o date.

I would hope we have a better season but there is allot that must be improved on before we start talking national rankings.
 
If everything goes right (D'Angelo comes back, JaKarr doesn't jump to the pros, Sanchez gets on the court), I could legitimately see St. John's crack the Top 25. It's definitely not a sure thing because we are still going to be one of the worst shooting teams in college BB. But you would think that with D'lo back on the court and Max Hooper becoming eligible that maybe our shooting will slightly improve.

If you think this is a Top 10 team though, you are absolutely nuts. Not going to happen with how the team is currently built.
 
If we get a point guard who can pass and not turn it over we will do great. We also need coach to get these guys to play hard and smart and not shoot at the first opportunity. Athletes who can't shoot and play smart are useless.
 
Key pro STJ factor I have not seen talked about is Obekpa growth and development. At start of year Chris and Jakarr looked about the same size,. Assuming that Jakarr has not shrunk CO seems to have gotten much bigger. Development of CO's game was obvious during the season and given his youth and inexperience much more progress should be expected. Baby hook going left would do wonders for his offense.
 
I also think that Pointer improved his game this year. At the end of the year he also started to hit a few 3pt shots as well. If he makes the next step he can be a Victor Oladipo type player for us in two years. Oladipo was a guy who imporoved his game a little every year to get where he is. I think Dom can do the same.
 
I also think that Pointer improved his game this year. At the end of the year he also started to hit a few 3pt shots as well. If he makes the next step he can be a Victor Oladipo type player for us in two years. Oladipo was a guy who imporoved his game a little every year to get where he is. I think Dom can do the same.
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I agree. I think he is like DJ Kennedy, the glue guy. He does a lot of everything and plays hard. I believe he will be a real force as a SR.
 
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