If we don't make the ncaa tourny...

[ADORAZ]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

I agree, I just can't see players signing if we have a bad year.

Immediate & prime PT usually trumps our results.

I hope you're right but the negativity about Lavin as a coach at that point I think would drive recruits away.

 

[paultzman]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

I agree, I just can't see players signing if we have a bad year.

Immediate & prime PT usually trumps our results.

I hope you're right but the negativity about Lavin as a coach at that point I think would drive recruits away.

Let's see. Our suggestions mean nothing anyway.

 

[beast of the east]

Kill me if you want for asking this question, but it is legit.

Do we look for another coach or extend him for 2 years only because of the possible "powerful recruiting class" coming?

Here's where I stand.
I'd give him 2 years max, if he wants more, then good bye.
I'm willing to give him one more "core recruiting class", and seeing what he could do with them, before giving up on Lavin. I think that's fair.

Just wondering, would realfan give Lavin a 2nd chance? Oh well let people think as they want.

Very creative way of starting yet another thread on Lavin's contract.

 

[monte]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

I agree, I just can't see players signing if we have a bad year.

Immediate & prime PT usually trumps our results.

Especially if a kid is hoping to be one and done.

 

[ADORAZ]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

I agree, I just can't see players signing if we have a bad year.

Immediate & prime PT usually trumps our results.

I hope you're right but the negativity about Lavin as a coach at that point I think would drive recruits away.

Let's see. Our suggestions mean nothing anyway.

True. Games like today are why I can;t get overly excited about Sampson committing. Really blows when you're playing for not just this year but future years. So frustrating. At least when my pro teams don't perform it usually doesn't have an impact on future years. Been in this pattern for a few years now and I'm tired of it.

 

[paultzman]

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IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

I agree, I just can't see players signing if we have a bad year.

Immediate & prime PT usually trumps our results.

I hope you're right but the negativity about Lavin as a coach at that point I think would drive recruits away.

Let's see. Our suggestions mean nothing anyway.

True. Games like today are why I can;t get overly excited about Sampson committing. Really blows when you're playing for not just this year but future years. So frustrating. At least when my pro teams don't perform it usually doesn't have an impact on future years. Been in this pattern for a few years now and I'm tired of it.

Understandable. Rooting for SJU will never be equated to a day at the beach. The "hump" is like Mt. Everest.

 

[redfan259999888]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

 

[redfan259999888]

Kill me if you want for asking this question, but it is legit.

Do we look for another coach or extend him for 2 years only because of the possible "powerful recruiting class" coming?

Here's where I stand.
I'd give him 2 years max, if he wants more, then good bye.
I'm willing to give him one more "core recruiting class", and seeing what he could do with them, before giving up on Lavin. I think that's fair.

Just wondering, would realfan give Lavin a 2nd chance? Oh well let people think as they want.

Very creative way of starting yet another thread on Lavin's contract.

This question is more to the SJU fans, then about him Beast.

 

[monte]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

Lavin has a contract. and he should honor that contract. He should tell every recruit that he will definitely be here next year and that he plans on being here beyond next year. If he tries to force an extension by threatening to sabotage his own recruiting class, then he'd really be shooting himself in the foot on many different levels. I'd like to think he wouldn't do that, if for no other reason than for his own sake.

 

[redfan259999888]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

Lavin has a contract. and he should honor that contract. He should tell every recruit that he will definitely be here next year and that he plans on being here beyond next year. If he tries to force an extension by threatening to sabotage his own recruiting class, then he'd really be shooting himself in the foot on many different levels. I'd like to think he wouldn't do that, if for no other reason than for his own sake.

I hope you're right, but he might say: "why let my future be based on what freshmen do.

Here's the deal monte:
Give him a 2 year extension, which is 3 altogether. Give him two years instead of what you're saying which is one year. That would give him two years with his recruits, aren't college kids better in their second year then their first year anyway?
Then forget how good he recruits after the 15 class, bottom line is you better win or you go, it's that simple.

 

[monte]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

Lavin has a contract. and he should honor that contract. He should tell every recruit that he will definitely be here next year and that he plans on being here beyond next year. If he tries to force an extension by threatening to sabotage his own recruiting class, then he'd really be shooting himself in the foot on many different levels. I'd like to think he wouldn't do that, if for no other reason than for his own sake.

I hope you're right, but he might say: "why let my future be based on what freshmen do.

Here's the deal monte:
Give him a 2 year extension, which is 3 altogether. Give him two years instead of what you're saying which is one year. That would give him two years with his recruits, aren't college kids better in their second year then their first year anyway?
Then forget how good he recruits after the 15 class, bottom line is you better win or you go, it's that simple.

I hear what you're saying oldschool, I just think that 6 years is more than enough time to prove whether or not you've got the program headed in the right direction. If we finish this year strong, and if he brings in a strong class for next year, and if we start next year strong, then maybe the school starts a dialogue with him about a 2 year(not more) extension. Even if he leaves at the end of his contract(next year), at least the cupboard won't be completely bare for the new coach. Just my opinion.

 

[redfan259999888]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

Lavin has a contract. and he should honor that contract. He should tell every recruit that he will definitely be here next year and that he plans on being here beyond next year. If he tries to force an extension by threatening to sabotage his own recruiting class, then he'd really be shooting himself in the foot on many different levels. I'd like to think he wouldn't do that, if for no other reason than for his own sake.

I hope you're right, but he might say: "why let my future be based on what freshmen do.

Here's the deal monte:
Give him a 2 year extension, which is 3 altogether. Give him two years instead of what you're saying which is one year. That would give him two years with his recruits, aren't college kids better in their second year then their first year anyway?
Then forget how good he recruits after the 15 class, bottom line is you better win or you go, it's that simple.

I hear what you're saying oldschool, I just think that 6 years is more than enough time to prove whether or not you've got the program headed in the right direction. If we finish this year strong, and if he brings in a strong class for next year, and if we start next year strong, then maybe the school starts a dialogue with him about a 2 year(not more) extension. Even if he leaves at the end of his contract(next year), at least the cupboard won't be completely bare for the new coach. Just my opinion.

I hear ya.

 

[ctstorm]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

Lavin has a contract. and he should honor that contract. He should tell every recruit that he will definitely be here next year and that he plans on being here beyond next year. If he tries to force an extension by threatening to sabotage his own recruiting class, then he'd really be shooting himself in the foot on many different levels. I'd like to think he wouldn't do that, if for no other reason than for his own sake.

I hope you're right, but he might say: "why let my future be based on what freshmen do.

Here's the deal monte:
Give him a 2 year extension, which is 3 altogether. Give him two years instead of what you're saying which is one year. That would give him two years with his recruits, aren't college kids better in their second year then their first year anyway?
Then forget how good he recruits after the 15 class, bottom line is you better win or you go, it's that simple.

"win" what? Over 500 in conference? BE tournament? One and out in NCAA?

 

[1and1sju]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

Lavin has a contract. and he should honor that contract. He should tell every recruit that he will definitely be here next year and that he plans on being here beyond next year. If he tries to force an extension by threatening to sabotage his own recruiting class, then he'd really be shooting himself in the foot on many different levels. I'd like to think he wouldn't do that, if for no other reason than for his own sake.

I hope you're right, but he might say: "why let my future be based on what freshmen do.

Here's the deal monte:
Give him a 2 year extension, which is 3 altogether. Give him two years instead of what you're saying which is one year. That would give him two years with his recruits, aren't college kids better in their second year then their first year anyway?
Then forget how good he recruits after the 15 class, bottom line is you better win or you go, it's that simple.

I hear what you're saying oldschool, I just think that 6 years is more than enough time to prove whether or not you've got the program headed in the right direction. If we finish this year strong, and if he brings in a strong class for next year, and if we start next year strong, then maybe the school starts a dialogue with him about a 2 year(not more) extension. Even if he leaves at the end of his contract(next year), at least the cupboard won't be completely bare for the new coach. Just my opinion.

I think that's a reasonable strategy Monte, but what do you do if he half-achieves?
If we don't make the tournament, but he signs an OK, but not great class, (say, sampson, Doughty freeman and lovett) what do you do then?

 

[monte]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

Lavin has a contract. and he should honor that contract. He should tell every recruit that he will definitely be here next year and that he plans on being here beyond next year. If he tries to force an extension by threatening to sabotage his own recruiting class, then he'd really be shooting himself in the foot on many different levels. I'd like to think he wouldn't do that, if for no other reason than for his own sake.

I hope you're right, but he might say: "why let my future be based on what freshmen do.

Here's the deal monte:
Give him a 2 year extension, which is 3 altogether. Give him two years instead of what you're saying which is one year. That would give him two years with his recruits, aren't college kids better in their second year then their first year anyway?
Then forget how good he recruits after the 15 class, bottom line is you better win or you go, it's that simple.

I hear what you're saying oldschool, I just think that 6 years is more than enough time to prove whether or not you've got the program headed in the right direction. If we finish this year strong, and if he brings in a strong class for next year, and if we start next year strong, then maybe the school starts a dialogue with him about a 2 year(not more) extension. Even if he leaves at the end of his contract(next year), at least the cupboard won't be completely bare for the new coach. Just my opinion.

I think that's a reasonable strategy Monte, but what do you do if he half-achieves?
If we don't make the tournament, but he signs an OK, but not great class, (say, sampson, Doughty freeman and lovett) what do you do then?

That's a tough call Desco, but unless we completely collapse this year(which I don't believe we will) and he doesn't bring in any more recruits of consequence, I probably still keep him through the end of his contract.

 

[beast of the east]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

Lavin has a contract. and he should honor that contract. He should tell every recruit that he will definitely be here next year and that he plans on being here beyond next year. If he tries to force an extension by threatening to sabotage his own recruiting class, then he'd really be shooting himself in the foot on many different levels. I'd like to think he wouldn't do that, if for no other reason than for his own sake.

I hope you're right, but he might say: "why let my future be based on what freshmen do.

Here's the deal monte:
Give him a 2 year extension, which is 3 altogether. Give him two years instead of what you're saying which is one year. That would give him two years with his recruits, aren't college kids better in their second year then their first year anyway?
Then forget how good he recruits after the 15 class, bottom line is you better win or you go, it's that simple.

I hear what you're saying oldschool, I just think that 6 years is more than enough time to prove whether or not you've got the program headed in the right direction. If we finish this year strong, and if he brings in a strong class for next year, and if we start next year strong, then maybe the school starts a dialogue with him about a 2 year(not more) extension. Even if he leaves at the end of his contract(next year), at least the cupboard won't be completely bare for the new coach. Just my opinion.

I think that's a reasonable strategy Monte, but what do you do if he half-achieves?
If we don't make the tournament, but he signs an OK, but not great class, (say, sampson, Doughty freeman and lovett) what do you do then?

That's a tough call Desco, but unless we completely collapse this year(which I don't believe we will) and he doesn't bring in any more recruits of consequence, I probably still keep him through the end of his contract.

No matter what happens this year, unless there is an severance at 1/3 or less of salary, or if Lavin walks, he will be here next year. Come on, this is St. John's - no one is tossing $2 million. And if Repole financed this, which is probably partially true, he'd likely be on board with Lavin proving himself in his final contract season.

 

[monte]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

Lavin has a contract. and he should honor that contract. He should tell every recruit that he will definitely be here next year and that he plans on being here beyond next year. If he tries to force an extension by threatening to sabotage his own recruiting class, then he'd really be shooting himself in the foot on many different levels. I'd like to think he wouldn't do that, if for no other reason than for his own sake.

I hope you're right, but he might say: "why let my future be based on what freshmen do.

Here's the deal monte:
Give him a 2 year extension, which is 3 altogether. Give him two years instead of what you're saying which is one year. That would give him two years with his recruits, aren't college kids better in their second year then their first year anyway?
Then forget how good he recruits after the 15 class, bottom line is you better win or you go, it's that simple.

I hear what you're saying oldschool, I just think that 6 years is more than enough time to prove whether or not you've got the program headed in the right direction. If we finish this year strong, and if he brings in a strong class for next year, and if we start next year strong, then maybe the school starts a dialogue with him about a 2 year(not more) extension. Even if he leaves at the end of his contract(next year), at least the cupboard won't be completely bare for the new coach. Just my opinion.

I think that's a reasonable strategy Monte, but what do you do if he half-achieves?
If we don't make the tournament, but he signs an OK, but not great class, (say, sampson, Doughty freeman and lovett) what do you do then?

That's a tough call Desco, but unless we completely collapse this year(which I don't believe we will) and he doesn't bring in any more recruits of consequence, I probably still keep him through the end of his contract.

No matter what happens this year, unless there is an severance at 1/3 or less of salary, or if Lavin walks, he will be here next year. Come on, this is St. John's - no one is tossing $2 million. And if Repole financed this, which is probably partially true, he'd likely be on board with Lavin proving himself in his final contract season.

I agree that Lavin, barring something disastrous, will be here next year and should be here next year. Although you and I have a difference of opinion on why he should be here. But being an astute business man, I suspect that Repole has seen enough in 5 years to have already made up his mind.

 

[beast of the east]

IF he signs a monster recruiting class then yes resign him for a couple years. I don't see that happening if we perform poorly on the court.

IMO if he signs a monster class they let him coach next year and see what he does. If he does nothing, then they don't renew him. I so badly want Sampson, Daughty and hopefully Diallo and some other kids here for next year, that I'm willing to suffer through the pain of watching Lavin coach for one more year.

Monte, what's the odds of him getting a studded freshmen class into the ncaa?
If co and rj doesn't return, then he'll be relying on freshmen to save his job (and it's not uk where they get 4 or 5 top 10 kids.), so he might say: "Yeah I'm recruiting a real good class, and my future is going to rely on those inexperienced kids."
What if he tells those recruits that he isn't getting an extension, so he won't be returning to coach his final year. So he could force an extension. Would the new AD then give it to him or hold out?

With a new coach, we"ll have to wait atleast 3 years. Giving Lavin a 2 year extension, we might be real good by March of next year. Which is the only reason I say give him two more year.
I really don't want to wait atleast 3 more years.
Even make Lavin rehire Dunhap, if he's willing to return.

Lavin has a contract. and he should honor that contract. He should tell every recruit that he will definitely be here next year and that he plans on being here beyond next year. If he tries to force an extension by threatening to sabotage his own recruiting class, then he'd really be shooting himself in the foot on many different levels. I'd like to think he wouldn't do that, if for no other reason than for his own sake.

I hope you're right, but he might say: "why let my future be based on what freshmen do.

Here's the deal monte:
Give him a 2 year extension, which is 3 altogether. Give him two years instead of what you're saying which is one year. That would give him two years with his recruits, aren't college kids better in their second year then their first year anyway?
Then forget how good he recruits after the 15 class, bottom line is you better win or you go, it's that simple.

I hear what you're saying oldschool, I just think that 6 years is more than enough time to prove whether or not you've got the program headed in the right direction. If we finish this year strong, and if he brings in a strong class for next year, and if we start next year strong, then maybe the school starts a dialogue with him about a 2 year(not more) extension. Even if he leaves at the end of his contract(next year), at least the cupboard won't be completely bare for the new coach. Just my opinion.

I think that's a reasonable strategy Monte, but what do you do if he half-achieves?
If we don't make the tournament, but he signs an OK, but not great class, (say, sampson, Doughty freeman and lovett) what do you do then?

That's a tough call Desco, but unless we completely collapse this year(which I don't believe we will) and he doesn't bring in any more recruits of consequence, I probably still keep him through the end of his contract.

No matter what happens this year, unless there is an severance at 1/3 or less of salary, or if Lavin walks, he will be here next year. Come on, this is St. John's - no one is tossing $2 million. And if Repole financed this, which is probably partially true, he'd likely be on board with Lavin proving himself in his final contract season.

I agree that Lavin, barring something disastrous, will be here next year and should be here next year. Although you and I have a difference of opinion on why he should be here. But being an astute business man, I suspect that Repole has seen enough in 5 years to have already made up his mind.

I agree, but being the betting man that he is, I don't think he rips up his ticket to the 6th race, just because he realizes that the chances of something good happening are not as good as he thought when he bought the ticket. That is, unless a sure bet becomes available.

 

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Even if Lavin signs a "pretty good" class this year, assuming that Jordan and/or Obekpa leave after this season, what are the expectations for next season? NCAA tournament? Not realistic. So what do you do with Lavin?

IMO, the cupboard is pretty bare after this season. At this point in Lavin's tenure, we should be reloading every year. However, we will be in a rebuilding mode not reloading next year. More like starting all over again. We have made the NCAA tournament once during his regime and probably won't make it for the next couple of years at least. This is a huge disappointment. I, for one, certainly expected better results. When hired, he said that one of his goals was to balance the classes. Another huge failure. Our classes are not balanced by year nor by position.

When he was hired, there was a lot of optimism about the future of our program. I wonder how many of us share that optimism about the program today. Admittedly, I was opposed to his hiring in the first place. Looking at what he has/has not accomplished in five years, I believe that my concerns have been validated. IMO. he should go back to ESPN, where he does a great job, and we should bring in a new coach to sort out this mess once again.

Mediocrity for St John's basketball is not OK in my book. That's what we have gotten in five years with no reason to believe that things will significantly improve in the foreseeable future. We should be a perennial NCAA caliber team every year. It hasn't (and won't) happen year in and year out on Lavin's watch. Let's part friends after this season and move on.

 

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being an astute business man, I suspect that Repole has seen enough in 5 years to have already made up his mind.

If Lavin was a horse Repole would have already rendered him into jello.