Ideal Starting Lineup

Starters should be Jordan, Harrison, Pointer, Sampson and Sanchez.
Obekpa needs to come of the bench as a defensive enforcer. Unfortunately its 4 on 5 on offense when he's on the floor so he can't start and get the lion's share of minutes at the 5.
Greene is a good scorer but needs to be on the floor as a 2 or as a third guard, not at the point. Greene could start in place of Pointer but that isn't best for the team because you need to insert Phil's offense anytime you sub Obekpa for Karr or Orlando. I would bring in Greene for Pointer whenever Obekpa comes into the game. That way you bring in a scorer along with a defender who's an offensive liability in place of the same. Against a zone I would sometimes consider bringing in Hooper (instead of PG IV) for Pointer when Obekpa enters the game. Greene or Hooper would also play when DLo needs a blow.
Jordan should get most of the PG minutes unless he gets in foul trouble. When he sits, Branch has to be in the game handling the rock. No lineups without a true PG please. It hurts us every time.

That should be our nine man rotation. Gift should get minutes down low as needed due to foul trouble or if someone needs a blow. If we stick with the main 9 we'll have better offensive/defensive balance on the floor (we want to make sure we have 3 legit scorers on the floor at all times), Jordan and Hooper will get more comfortable with their roles and perform better, and PG IV can be our own little Vinnie "the Toaster" Johnson when he enters the game and give D'Lo and Karr breaks from having to be the go to scorers all the time.

One other thought. Its tough to watch Obekpa get the ball within 5 feet of the basket and turn and pass to the perimeter because he has no low post moves that he has confidence in. At his height with his wing span and hops he should be unstoppable from there but he's not. He showed last year that he's not a bad interior passer, so why not put him in a position to use a skill he has rather than in a position to be exposed for one that he lacks. Obekpa should come out to the high post on offense. It would allow Sanchez or Sampson to work down low where they do have the ability to score, and would make use of his size as a high post target and his ability to pass. And it would give us the possibility of some low post offense which we desperatley need given that we don't have a team of sharpshooters. Teams get their FG %'s up becuse their low post players shoot over 50% and take a fair number of shots in the process. The lack of that gives us a huge hcap on offense.
 
For G-Town
I`d like aliitle inside-outside game between Sanchez and Jordan-Harrison, but for that they need to hit from the outside. When Smith is in, Sanchez with his moves could take Smith the slow footed smith all day.
So those three need to definitely be in. I`d bench Sampson for the first 10minutes to let him know to pass instead of stupid bad shots. Put in Pointer inplace of Sampson.
And Obekpa, to alter shots. If Smith and the other guy is in then put Sanchez on the other (don`t know his name.) and Obekpa on Smith.

We need alot from Sanchez, if he`s one on one then he can take them.
If they collapse then he can kick it out to Harrison, and Jordan but for that to work they need to hit their shots. Harrison though was 4-5 from three vs. X so that`s a positive.
Sampson be the sixth man spark who knows.
Bottom line, to do something this year we need Sanchez to be a beast. Want him taking 15-20 shots and stop being afraid to be "the man".
20-10 vs. G-Town
 
I've watched and played a lot of basketball in my 55 years, and I have never seen any coach, at any level, be this unsure about his starting line-up, rolls and distribution of minutes this far in to a season. Its extremely unsettling, and I know it has be to the kids.
 
I've watched and played a lot of basketball in my 55 years, and I have never seen any coach, at any level, be this unsure about his starting line-up, rolls and distribution of minutes this far in to a season. Its extremely unsettling, and I know it has be to the kids.

Yea it reminds me of when Larry Brown coached the knicks. I was hoping by now he would have his rotation set.
 
I've watched and played a lot of basketball in my 55 years, and I have never seen any coach, at any level, be this unsure about his starting line-up, rolls and distribution of minutes this far in to a season. Its extremely unsettling, and I know it has be to the kids.

I agree that it is unsettling - and frankly unnecessary - that we are this far along and have established so little on this front. And I think this would be true even with a regular start to the season. It's really confusing given the Euro Trip, as you would think this topic would have been one of the trip's great benefits. There is not much in the way of objective data, to this point, demonstrating that the trip benefited us from a basketball standpoint, which is disappointing.

That said, Lavin messed around with all sorts of lineups in 10/11, including starting Malik, Malik, Hardy, Paris, and Burrell in one game. It was right around this time that he he locked in on what would be a very set lineup and rotation for the rest of the year. It was more understandable for him to be mixing and matching things with a roster he inherited and had for less than a year at that point as opposed to one he constructed and has had for as many as three years, but let's hope we see a similar pattern this year nonetheless.
 
I've watched and played a lot of basketball in my 55 years, and I have never seen any coach, at any level, be this unsure about his starting line-up, rolls and distribution of minutes this far in to a season. Its extremely unsettling, and I know it has be to the kids.

2010-2011 saw a ton of different lineups and some wild swings in minutes for guys like Boothe, Evans, and Polee. Lavin said he like to keep the lineup flexible for both matchups and to reward guys who go all out in practice. When you win, that stuff doesn't really matter.

I think the bigger issue is guys knowing their roles better. I still find it hard to believe that Branch doesn't play more.
 
I've watched and played a lot of basketball in my 55 years, and I have never seen any coach, at any level, be this unsure about his starting line-up, rolls and distribution of minutes this far in to a season. Its extremely unsettling, and I know it has be to the kids.
In addition to what you said, what good is putting someone in for 2 minutes. It doesn't accomplish anything and disrupts the flow. how do you think Hooper feels if he plays for 2 minutes misses 1 shot and is yankd?
 
I've watched and played a lot of basketball in my 55 years, and I have never seen any coach, at any level, be this unsure about his starting line-up, rolls and distribution of minutes this far in to a season. Its extremely unsettling, and I know it has be to the kids.

2010-2011 saw a ton of different lineups and some wild swings in minutes for guys like Boothe, Evans, and Polee. Lavin said he like to keep the lineup flexible for both matchups and to reward guys who go all out in practice. When you win, that stuff doesn't really matter.

I think the bigger issue is guys knowing their roles better. I still find it hard to believe that Branch doesn't play more.

I am getting very bothered that I am agreeing with more of your posts the past few weeks. You must be learning :)
 
I've watched and played a lot of basketball in my 55 years, and I have never seen any coach, at any level, be this unsure about his starting line-up, rolls and distribution of minutes this far in to a season. Its extremely unsettling, and I know it has be to the kids.

2010-2011 saw a ton of different lineups and some wild swings in minutes for guys like Boothe, Evans, and Polee. Lavin said he like to keep the lineup flexible for both matchups and to reward guys who go all out in practice. When you win, that stuff doesn't really matter.

I think the bigger issue is guys knowing their roles better. I still find it hard to believe that Branch doesn't play more.

Agreed that the end justifies the means, but i don't see where his starting line-up shuffling, erratic distribution of minutes and odd(to say the least) substitution patterns have resulted in us matching up better or performing better against anyone. As for rewarding guys who go all out in practice, every team at every level has guys who bust their butts in practice, and others not as much. He's got to play the guys who give us the best chance at winning.
 
I know Lavin loves Greene, but the lineup against butler has to be the one we stick with. With Jakarr finally playing like raining ROTY and Jordan and Sanchez improving, our offense is actually starting to look ok (in stretches)! Greene should get 12-15 mpg IMO, but he should never run the point. There have been times this season where Greene and Jordan were on the floor at the same time, and Greene was running the point! That's unacceptable, either branch or Jordan need to be out all times, enough with going through stretches of the game without a point guard. Cause that might've been a key factor that cost us the Xavier, Nova, and Providence games.
 
I know Lavin loves Greene, but the lineup against butler has to be the one we stick with. With Jakarr finally playing like raining ROTY and Jordan and Sanchez improving, our offense is actually starting to look ok (in stretches)! Greene should get 12-15 mpg IMO, but he should never run the point. There have been times this season where Greene and Jordan were on the floor at the same time, and Greene was running the point! That's unacceptable, either branch or Jordan need to be out all times, enough with going through stretches of the game without a point guard. Cause that might've been a key factor that cost us the Xavier, Nova, and Providence games.

I just think Greene outside of Harrison, is the guard most likely to supply offense off the bench. If our team was a little stronger in terms of point production I'd love to have Harrison as our 6th man, because I don't think his point production would suffer at all. There is also the notion that teams kind of settle into a flow, and when you have your best offensive player coming off the bench, he can disrupt that and give his team a tremendous boost. Branch or Jordan wouldn't automatically do that for us, so I'm for Greene coming off the bench to provide that spark.
 
so I'm for Greene coming off the bench to provide that spark.

Off the bench and off the ball is where he is effective. If he and Pointer were more focused on offensive rebounding our offense would be a lot more interesting
 
so I'm for Greene coming off the bench to provide that spark.

Off the bench and off the ball is where he is effective. If he and Pointer were more focused on offensive rebounding our offense would be a lot more interesting

It's more of a joke than anything, but what our team couldn't learn from Dennis Rodman. If we brought him in though, its more likely they'd still be bad rebounders but we'd have a few drug/alcohol abusers in development.
 
so I'm for Greene coming off the bench to provide that spark.

Off the bench and off the ball is where he is effective. If he and Pointer were more focused on offensive rebounding our offense would be a lot more interesting

It's more of a joke than anything, but what our team couldn't learn from Dennis Rodman. If we brought him in though, its more likely they'd still be bad rebounders but we'd have a few drug/alcohol abusers in development.

Sleepy Floyd attended his camp in North Korea. He wasn't happy with it. That is enough for me.
 
I know Lavin loves Greene, but the lineup against butler has to be the one we stick with. With Jakarr finally playing like raining ROTY and Jordan and Sanchez improving, our offense is actually starting to look ok (in stretches)! Greene should get 12-15 mpg IMO, but he should never run the point. There have been times this season where Greene and Jordan were on the floor at the same time, and Greene was running the point! That's unacceptable, either branch or Jordan need to be out all times, enough with going through stretches of the game without a point guard. Cause that might've been a key factor that cost us the Xavier, Nova, and Providence games.

I have very little doubt that if Branch, who was one of our most effective players in the first half against DePaul, had not gotten the least minutes of the 10 players who played for SJU that day that we get the 3 points we needed to win that game.

I have very little doubt that if Jordan and Branch combine for more than 22 minutes against Providence, when they both should be playing more than that individually in a 40 minute game (let alone collectively in a 50 minute game), that we get the 2 points we needed to win that game.

PGIV is a tremendous asset to have. The one thing he can really do is score in bunches, and he doesn't need any help to do it - he can get his own shot no problem pretty much whenever he wants it. As you are all saying, that skillset is best used off the bench, and then you can adjust his minutes as necessary - give him starters minutes when he's hot, scale back on his minutes when he's not. He's not consistent enough to be relied on as a starter (0, 16, 15, 0 points the last 4 games) and he's not anything more than a spot point guard. Part of the reason he only has 7 turnovers (good thing) is because he doesn't really try to make plays where a turnover would occur (neutral thing), hence 23 assists in 19 games (bad thing). He either passes it conservatively on the perimeter or he gets his own shot up.

If that all doesn't equal 2/3 guard off the bench I don't know what does. Clearly a tremendous kid and teammate - when Lavin sat him against Providence he was the first guy up slapping hands at every timeout - just needs to be used properly by the staff. We'll get more production in less minutes from PGIV, the team will be better for it, and we won't have to spend so much time debating his usage. :cheer:
 
I didnt see this topic was created so I am re-posting something that I posted on the Cerighton topic.


Starting Line-Up:
Jordan
Branch
Harrison
Jakarr
Sanchez

If they want to go Big:
Jordan
Harrison
Jakarr
Gift
Sanchez

If we need defensive stops:
Jordan
Harrison
Pointer
CO
Sanchez

The problem with CO is that everyone knows he jumps to block as soon as they get close so they wait him out, his great shot blocking ability has actually turned into his biggest weakness. CO is predictable on the defensive end with a small offensive game.

If we need to score in a hurry:
Jordan
Branch
Harrison
Greene
Jakarr
 
I didnt see this topic was created so I am re-posting something that I posted on the Cerighton topic.


Starting Line-Up:
Jordan
Branch
Harrison
Jakarr
Sanchez

If they want to go Big:
Jordan
Harrison
Jakarr
Gift
Sanchez

If we need defensive stops:
Jordan
Harrison
Pointer
CO
Sanchez

The problem with CO is that everyone knows he jumps to block as soon as they get close so they wait him out, his great shot blocking ability has actually turned into his biggest weakness. CO is predictable on the defensive end with a small offensive game.

If we need to score in a hurry:
Jordan
Branch
Harrison
Greene
Jakarr

Now if you are Lavin you post them on a wall and throw darts at them.
 
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