Howie Schwab Laid Off

So you just admitted the tax rate was even lower than my estimate of 40 for the 1%. You do realize a few decades ago it was around 80% right? Now obviously you can make the argument "just because they can afford it doesn't make it right", but come on...these are people with 3rd and 4th houses, 3rd and 4th cars, and private jets. If it means they have to cut back their luxury by 1 private jet to help fund the very infrastructure that helped him become successful then why would anyone cry about it? You can't have the same tax rate for a social worker making 30k that you would a doctor making 200k or a pro ball player making tens of millions. As long as the proportion is the same, I have no complaints. The 1% is richer than ever before and the wage gap is the biggest in history. Boo hoo for Donald Trump, now he won't be able to purchase his 15th Ferrari. Who could possibly live a life with only 14 Ferrari's? Oh the horror.

The thing about arguing with the smrat® is that it's both tedious and pointless. Tedious because you have to explain to them every little mishap of logic and inform them of facts that even children should know and pointless because they're too thick headed to benefit from it anyway. In the good old days of Usenet (look it up) I used to at least have the pleasure of inventing innovative ways to deploying fornication as an adjective but now with the demise of free speech even that small joy is denied me.

So what to do? Obviously I can't engage you in reasoned discourse concerning the nature of liberty and the proper role of government because you have no idea what I'm talking about. Do I merely content myself with pointing out the myriad errors of logic and fact that you managed to cram into a mere paragraph: I didn't "admit" that the tax rate was under 40 percent, as admit implies that I had denied it; decades ago the top marginal rate was significantly higher than 80 percent; tax revenues increase as marginal rates decline; high tax rates contribute to economic stagnation; and so on. That is all too subtle / to penetrate / the puddle / of your muddled/ thinking. Do I mock out the inanity of your phantasmagorical musings about yachts and Lear jets? Wonder aloud how someone so uneducated has an alleged masters degree and note the irony of someone who so obviously suffers from psychic maladaptations studied for 8 years - wait for it - psychology? And all to so little profit.

So you can see my %^%$$%^$ing dilemma.
 
There aren't many certainties in life.

One of which however is Joe taking a thread about Howie Schwab and hijacking into a socio-political debate.

It is a socio-economic-political debate. I would be more concerned about Fun using the rape of children by the Huns to make a pointless point!
 
I for one have long been dependent on the kindness of strangers in allowing me the pleasure of inventing non-innovative things.
 
I got an email from a long time member of redmen.com, commenting on a couple of other members: fun and Ressurection of Joe (joe3). This is not unusual. Often these types of email include things like "please ban.." "he scares me" "…totally unreadable" "ruins it for the rest of us…" "even Moose hates this guy…" "&(DF*#$#@ moron" You get the idea.

after a couple of back and forth email, I didn't hear back but then this morning got another response. I thought about it and it is the off season so what the heck. I'm just going to paste it here rather than starting a new thread though:

I don't want to get into it with these schmucks and was wondering if you could post this anonymously for me? I was in a serious car accident last week and among other things my left femur was crushed. I am in a lot of pain even with all of the medication that I'm taking. (here he went into a lengthy description about itching and other maladies but I've left that part out) I was hoping that redmen.com would help as a distraction and even resorted to reading the back and forth between fun and joe. I'm not sure if this is the drugs taking over but I started trying to picture what these two look like and what kind of lives they lead. Naturally I came to wonder, what the Manifesto of each will look like when it was completed (and you know that each of them is working on one).

So I started playing this out hypothetically in my mind as fun sees an ad on craigslist for an off the grid, vacant shack. He grumbles about how newfangled craigslist is and how it could never compare to the grand old days of usenet and dialup 2600 baud bbs. He reluctantly moves into his glorious Walden, and holes up for a few months. It just so happens that about "20 clicks over yonder" another shack was recently vacated by a family of evil illegal (MEXICAN) aliens (that stole it from some mountain folk who were refugees from Stone Mountain, GA that had fled their land when the river was dammed and the city folk started coming with their boats and water skis). So joe3 moves in. For months they toil away in their respective solitude. Ultimately, fun gets tired of tripping over his beard so rips his Taylor Swift poster from the wall and emerges with a respectable, 2,941 page manifesto and races to the nearest convenience store to purchase some scissors and lotto tickets while comparing and contrasting himself favorably to Tolstoy and brushing off thoughts of Marx and laughing condescendingly at dead Nietzsche (until the convenience store clerk starts looking nervously his way).

Meanwhile for months, joe3 has been listening to fun, echoed through the wilderness and this acted as his muse. Incessant screams, chants, and the strange yelling out the name "St. Ned" joe3 knows that fun is a fellow atheist so he finds this last, strangest of all and begins (very briefly) to ponder whether he too might find his own deity alone out here in the woods (but this quickly passes). When fun's songs of creative joy cease suddenly, joe3 fears that fun has finished before him (or cut out his own tongue in a fit of artistic brilliance (which would make joe3 REALLY jealous)) but is determined not to be outdone and emerges with his own 90,000 page manifesto (he could have done more but he liked 90,000 as a nice, even number while 100,000 would have been just cliche). joe3 skips the convenience store and races over to the offices of the NYTimes. After being beaten on the way, by three cab drivers (who were most likely illegal aliens) for stinking up their vehicles (now that is saying something) he finally makes his way only to get tossed repeatedly by security. A dejected, joe3 is ready to give up when by some miracle of chance (since joe3 is an atheist there are no "miracles") a little, bespectacled fellow (he wears glasses and works at the NY Times so he must be smart right?) walks over and starts reading through the masterpiece. After a few minutes he declares that it is acceptable and calls down for some staffers to wheel up the 90,000 pages. joe3 hears him mumble something about GAO report and walks away. joe3 is satisfied that finally his brilliance will be recognized and races home to play Call of Duty Black Ops 2. (he just loves the undertones of political commentary and metaphors the zombies represent)

meanwhile fun has dusted off his iphone and Audi r8 (which he keeps meaning to trade in for a Prius) and is paging through his manifesto. He spends a few weeks hounding various publishers without luck. He finally gives up when even threatening to eat their livers (with onions) doesn't persuade any of them. But while sitting deflated in a coffee shop a man stops by his table and comments appreciatively about the artwork (doodles) that adorn just about every page of his manifesto (if fun had lived in the Dark Ages his manifesto would properly be referred to as "illuminated" and the doodles would have been done in 24k gold ink). In short order (burger and fries), fun is the darling of an elite Manhattan gallery and his pages cover their walls. Throngs of wealthy (1%rs) lavish him with ongoing praise and make smart comments in between trading tips with each other on how to avoid taxes and ruin the American way of life for the rest of us. Nostalgically fun paces the gallery appreciating the doodles and always lingering at what he refers to as his "Aubrey Beardsley phase" which is sequentially just after his Led Zeppelin phase which is a sub-phase of his psychedelic rock, album cover phase - he shudders for a second remembering the nightmarish hours he spent struggling with Pink Floyd..

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Well anyway, thank you Paul. I keep meaning to use the donation page on your site but the last time I intended to do this, I got into a major car accident so I probably won't (ha, ha). But I've lost track of time and that is a good thing. In a few months when most of the drugs have left my system I'll read through what I sent you to see if any of it makes any sense. Maybe I'll even see it on redmen.com.
 
Paul, I hope whoever the writer is has a quick recovery. In the meantime, it becomes ever clearer that in tending to this flock of which I am a long time appreciative member, It's a miracle you have time to make a living.
 
I got an email from a long time member of redmen.com, commenting on a couple of other members: fun and Ressurection of Joe (joe3). This is not unusual. Often these types of email include things like "please ban.." "he scares me" "…totally unreadable" "ruins it for the rest of us…" "even Moose hates this guy…" "&(DF*#$#@ moron" You get the idea.

after a couple of back and forth email, I didn't hear back but then this morning got another response. I thought about it and it is the off season so what the heck. I'm just going to paste it here rather than starting a new thread though:

I don't want to get into it with these schmucks and was wondering if you could post this anonymously for me? I was in a serious car accident last week and among other things my left femur was crushed. I am in a lot of pain even with all of the medication that I'm taking. (here he went into a lengthy description about itching and other maladies but I've left that part out) I was hoping that redmen.com would help as a distraction and even resorted to reading the back and forth between fun and joe. I'm not sure if this is the drugs taking over but I started trying to picture what these two look like and what kind of lives they lead. Naturally I came to wonder, what the Manifesto of each will look like when it was completed (and you know that each of them is working on one).

So I started playing this out hypothetically in my mind as fun sees an ad on craigslist for an off the grid, vacant shack. He grumbles about how newfangled craigslist is and how it could never compare to the grand old days of usenet and dialup 2600 baud bbs. He reluctantly moves into his glorious Walden, and holes up for a few months. It just so happens that about "20 clicks over yonder" another shack was recently vacated by a family of evil illegal (MEXICAN) aliens (that stole it from some mountain folk who were refugees from Stone Mountain, GA that had fled their land when the river was dammed and the city folk started coming with their boats and water skis). So joe3 moves in. For months they toil away in their respective solitude. Ultimately, fun gets tired of tripping over his beard so rips his Taylor Swift poster from the wall and emerges with a respectable, 2,941 page manifesto and races to the nearest convenience store to purchase some scissors and lotto tickets while comparing and contrasting himself favorably to Tolstoy and brushing off thoughts of Marx and laughing condescendingly at dead Nietzsche (until the convenience store clerk starts looking nervously his way).

Meanwhile for months, joe3 has been listening to fun, echoed through the wilderness and this acted as his muse. Incessant screams, chants, and the strange yelling out the name "St. Ned" joe3 knows that fun is a fellow atheist so he finds this last, strangest of all and begins (very briefly) to ponder whether he too might find his own deity alone out here in the woods (but this quickly passes). When fun's songs of creative joy cease suddenly, joe3 fears that fun has finished before him (or cut out his own tongue in a fit of artistic brilliance (which would make joe3 REALLY jealous)) but is determined not to be outdone and emerges with his own 90,000 page manifesto (he could have done more but he liked 90,000 as a nice, even number while 100,000 would have been just cliche). joe3 skips the convenience store and races over to the offices of the NYTimes. After being beaten on the way, by three cab drivers (who were most likely illegal aliens) for stinking up their vehicles (now that is saying something) he finally makes his way only to get tossed repeatedly by security. A dejected, joe3 is ready to give up when by some miracle of chance (since joe3 is an atheist there are no "miracles") a little, bespectacled fellow (he wears glasses and works at the NY Times so he must be smart right?) walks over and starts reading through the masterpiece. After a few minutes he declares that it is acceptable and calls down for some staffers to wheel up the 90,000 pages. joe3 hears him mumble something about GAO report and walks away. joe3 is satisfied that finally his brilliance will be recognized and races home to play Call of Duty Black Ops 2. (he just loves the undertones of political commentary and metaphors the zombies represent)

meanwhile fun has dusted off his iphone and Audi r8 (which he keeps meaning to trade in for a Prius) and is paging through his manifesto. He spends a few weeks hounding various publishers without luck. He finally gives up when even threatening to eat their livers (with onions) doesn't persuade any of them. But while sitting deflated in a coffee shop a man stops by his table and comments appreciatively about the artwork (doodles) that adorn just about every page of his manifesto (if fun had lived in the Dark Ages his manifesto would properly be referred to as "illuminated" and the doodles would have been done in 24k gold ink). In short order (burger and fries), fun is the darling of an elite Manhattan gallery and his pages cover their walls. Throngs of wealthy (1%rs) lavish him with ongoing praise and make smart comments in between trading tips with each other on how to avoid taxes and ruin the American way of life for the rest of us. Nostalgically fun paces the gallery appreciating the doodles and always lingering at what he refers to as his "Aubrey Beardsley phase" which is sequentially just after his Led Zeppelin phase which is a sub-phase of his psychedelic rock, album cover phase - he shudders for a second remembering the nightmarish hours he spent struggling with Pink Floyd..

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Well anyway, thank you Paul. I keep meaning to use the donation page on your site but the last time I intended to do this, I got into a major car accident so I probably won't (ha, ha). But I've lost track of time and that is a good thing. In a few months when most of the drugs have left my system I'll read through what I sent you to see if any of it makes any sense. Maybe I'll even see it on redmen.com.


I think the lesson I learned the most from this is that this is why I refuse to get a smarthphone and stay old school.

If I had internet on my phone it would be dangerous driving and reading redmen.com at the same time.

Speedy recovery to whomever got into the car accident and if you end up having any leftover painkillers save them for the season for some of our game threads
 
There aren't many certainties in life.

One of which however is Joe taking a thread about Howie Schwab and hijacking into a socio-political debate.

Look what happened to Morey, Joe's Avi, in Goodfellas. You annoy someone too much, you sleep with the fishes. Joe3 may not have lasted past the film's opening credits.
 
I'm not talking about charities or trusts or scholarships or anything like that. I'm talking about taxes.

Charitable donations, foundations and trusts are mechanisms the wealthy use to avoid paying taxes.


The 1% absolutely does not pay their fair share and most people realize it. What is the rate at now, 40%? You don't have to go too far back to when it was 80%. And the 1% was still able to keep their yachts and Gatsby mansions even with that rate.

You are free to think its "fair" that the government confiscates 80 percent of your earnings. Should you ever have any I urge you to pay that amount. Personally I think that if the government confiscates 80 percent of the fruits of your labor you're 80 percent a slave.

Now you should probably know that most of my views



Don't care.


the top of the pyramid doesn't pay in proportion to what everyone else pays via tax evasion (offshore accounts and assets) and the fact that I'm an atheist. Some social issues I'm more liberal on. So don't think I'm some Bill Ayers daisy picking acid trip. I'm not going to lie and say I'm an expert but at the very least the top 1% does not pay in proportion. That was my point.

Here you are correct. The top 1 percent pays way more than their share

Top 1 percent

Average income: $1.4 million.

Average tax bill: $514,144.

Average tax rate: 35.5 percent.

Share of federal tax burden: 30.2 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/03/1-percent-taxes-2013_n_2802243.html

Didn't Romney's secretary famously pay more in taxes than Romney recently?

No.

So you just admitted the tax rate was even lower than my estimate of 40 for the 1%. You do realize a few decades ago it was around 80% right? Now obviously you can make the argument "just because they can afford it doesn't make it right", but come on...these are people with 3rd and 4th houses, 3rd and 4th cars, and private jets. If it means they have to cut back their luxury by 1 private jet to help fund the very infrastructure that helped him become successful then why would anyone cry about it? You can't have the same tax rate for a social worker making 30k that you would a doctor making 200k or a pro ball player making tens of millions. As long as the proportion is the same, I have no complaints. The 1% is richer than ever before and the wage gap is the biggest in history. Boo hoo for Donald Trump, now he won't be able to purchase his 15th Ferrari. Who could possibly live a life with only 14 Ferrari's? Oh the horror.

Joe,
Just to respond to your comment about Romney paying taxes, and your reference to his secretary. I believe it was Warren Buffett, not Romney, who said he paid a lower effective tax RATE than his secretary. To my recollection Romney paid about 12 or 13% federal taxes on his earnings in 2011. Now, Romney is retired, and his earnings are on his investments. All long term investments even for po' folk WERE taxed at 15%. That includes things like sale of stocks, real estate investments, etc. Every country on earth has a long term capital gain tax rate, and ours was competitive with that rate. So, in effect, Romney earned money, already paid federal income tax on it, and then invested it in stocks and other long term investments. Our tax code doesn't do that to protect the rich, it is there in every developed nation to stimulate investment in the infrastructure that keeps a country strong. Romney actually in 2011 made a large donation (in the millions) to a charitable trust his family operates, but DID NOT take the deduction. So, he began with a tax rate of 15%, which with legal deductions (real estate taxes, mortgage interest, etc), it reduced his taxable rate to 12 or 13%. I believe his gross income on investments was $22 million.

Much was made of his net worth, which I believe was estimated to be about $250 million. Actually that is chump change compared to John Kerry and his wife, who is worth billions. Still, it didn't stop Kerry from buying a $5million yacht, and to avoid a Massachusetts luxury tax, docked it in Rhode Island for 6 months, then floated it up to Massachusetts to avoid paying state tax on it.

These examples aren't meant to be partisan, but wealth in this country is always abhorred as it the rich automatically stole it. The reality is that all of us in America desire to get ahead, and have a shot at success. It's why as we bitch and moan about the wealthy, some Indian or Pakistani family who came here 10 years ago with nothing just bought their 10th Dunkin Donuts and moved from Flushing to Manhasset. As they bust their asses and chase the American dream, they could give a rats ass about how much Bill Clinton, or Obama, or Romney, or Bush pay in taxes.
 
off the grid
Walden
convenience store
three cab drivers
iphone

I don't recall jitneys and Dairy Barns in my version of Walden. Thoreau-ly ridiculous.


I keep meaning to use the donation page on your site but the last time I intended to do this, I got into a major car accident so I probably won't (ha, ha).

So much for anonymous. The author is cheap, illiterate, and walks with a limp. Round up the usual suspects.
 
off the grid
Walden
convenience store
three cab drivers
iphone

I don't recall jitneys and Dairy Barns in my version of Walden. Thoreau-ly ridiculous.


I keep meaning to use the donation page on your site but the last time I intended to do this, I got into a major car accident so I probably won't (ha, ha).

So much for anonymous. The author is cheap, illiterate, and walks with a limp. Round up the usual suspects.

I actually worked at Dairy Barn in college. lol
 
So you just admitted the tax rate was even lower than my estimate of 40 for the 1%. You do realize a few decades ago it was around 80% right? Now obviously you can make the argument "just because they can afford it doesn't make it right", but come on...these are people with 3rd and 4th houses, 3rd and 4th cars, and private jets. If it means they have to cut back their luxury by 1 private jet to help fund the very infrastructure that helped him become successful then why would anyone cry about it? You can't have the same tax rate for a social worker making 30k that you would a doctor making 200k or a pro ball player making tens of millions. As long as the proportion is the same, I have no complaints. The 1% is richer than ever before and the wage gap is the biggest in history. Boo hoo for Donald Trump, now he won't be able to purchase his 15th Ferrari. Who could possibly live a life with only 14 Ferrari's? Oh the horror.

The thing about arguing with the smrat® is that it's both tedious and pointless. Tedious because you have to explain to them every little mishap of logic and inform them of facts that even children should know and pointless because they're too thick headed to benefit from it anyway. In the good old days of Usenet (look it up) I used to at least have the pleasure of inventing innovative ways to deploying fornication as an adjective but now with the demise of free speech even that small joy is denied me.

So what to do? Obviously I can't engage you in reasoned discourse concerning the nature of liberty and the proper role of government because you have no idea what I'm talking about. Do I merely content myself with pointing out the myriad errors of logic and fact that you managed to cram into a mere paragraph: I didn't "admit" that the tax rate was under 40 percent, as admit implies that I had denied it; decades ago the top marginal rate was significantly higher than 80 percent; tax revenues increase as marginal rates decline; high tax rates contribute to economic stagnation; and so on. That is all too subtle / to penetrate / the puddle / of your muddled/ thinking. Do I mock out the inanity of your phantasmagorical musings about yachts and Lear jets? Wonder aloud how someone so uneducated has an alleged masters degree and note the irony of someone who so obviously suffers from psychic maladaptations studied for 8 years - wait for it - psychology? And all to so little profit.

So you can see my %^%$$%^$ing dilemma.

Wow, you use a lot of SAT words! By the way, quick recovery for the guy involved whoever it is. Hope he's coming along in the recovery. As for that epic someone wrote about the back and forth between Fun and I, I'd be lying if I said it made more than a little sense to me haha. We actually don't even go back and forth that much. It was a lot worse when I first joined in the very beginning but this recent stuff was pretty benign. Who knows, I may end up being Fun's shrink so I have to establish rapport at some point right? :)
 
i loved the drive-thru...and that milk probably was 69 cents a gallon when you were there.

Dont remember how much milk was since that was the last 80's to 92. But that place made a ton of money back then between milk,beer,cigarettes and ice cream and people just too lazy to get out of their cars to walk into the grocery store

We sold so much beer on the weekends it was unreal.

We had to join some union and when I was a freshman at SJU the manager at that dairy barn location fired me because I wouldnt work the week that I had freshman finals.

It was surreal. She tried lecturing me on why my job at dairy barn was so important and I needed to have priorities in life. I told her to screw off.

The union rep came in the next week and went over her head and I had my job back. ( The fact that I might not be able to buy beer for a week was actually traumatizing enough that I wanted to come back. lol ) and then they made me a weekend manager to boot. :)
 
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