Howie Schwab Laid Off

Certainly 26 years with one employer is a long time, and probably shaded Schwab's opinion of the world. Employees today will often jump ship for a better salary, sometimes only a few thousand, and sometimes before they have had enough experience with their prior employer to provide them with good value. Apparently Schwab was in dialogue with his employers for a better salary, and they decided that he wasn't worth it. They either decided that even at his current salary he was expendable, or that their refusal to give into his salary demands would create a miserable employee based on the dialogue he had with his superiors.

We rarely consider if we are actually providing value to our employers at the salary we earn. In the US and elsewhere, it's a strange phenomenon. Most older workers earn more than younger counterparts, in part because salaries only move in one direction - up. It has created a situation where those workers over 50 are vulnerable, because they earn more than younger workers, and are not always as productive. Even if they are as productive, their higher salaries become prime candidates for layoffs when there are cutbacks. The job market for workers over the age of 50 is not good, especially for laid off workers. Why high someone at 55, at the top of their pay grade, when you can hire a 40 year old for a lower salary?

At least Schwab is in a market where his age and current salary may not be as much of a concern as in other sectors when seeking new employment. Good luck to him,
 
An old redman who goes way back at St. John's.

Wasn't it Howie who broke the story (in the school newspaper)* of Chris Mullin coming to SJU to the consternation of Coach Lou?

Howie known as "The Sultan of Sports Trivia."

Who can forget "Stump the Schwab?"

*The Torch
 
Certainly 26 years with one employer is a long time, and probably shaded Schwab's opinion of the world. Employees today will often jump ship for a better salary, sometimes only a few thousand, and sometimes before they have had enough experience with their prior employer to provide them with good value. Apparently Schwab was in dialogue with his employers for a better salary, and they decided that he wasn't worth it. They either decided that even at his current salary he was expendable, or that their refusal to give into his salary demands would create a miserable employee based on the dialogue he had with his superiors.

We rarely consider if we are actually providing value to our employers at the salary we earn. In the US and elsewhere, it's a strange phenomenon. Most older workers earn more than younger counterparts, in part because salaries only move in one direction - up. It has created a situation where those workers over 50 are vulnerable, because they earn more than younger workers, and are not always as productive. Even if they are as productive, their higher salaries become prime candidates for layoffs when there are cutbacks. The job market for workers over the age of 50 is not good, especially for laid off workers. Why high someone at 55, at the top of their pay grade, when you can hire a 40 year old for a lower salary?

At least Schwab is in a market where his age and current salary may not be as much of a concern as in other sectors when seeking new employment. Good luck to him,
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the reason older workers are better than their younger counterparts? it's the bang for the buck. howie's replacement probably never heard of joe lapchick...joe morgan or joe pepitone. i've had young news managers ask me if belgium is a country, or where's indonesia? one said he knows nothing about presidents before reagan because that's who was there when he was born.
you don't think this affects quality?
i won't even discuss the dropoff in writing...or reliability of older workers.
so you have a lesser product with fewer viewers/listeners and the bean counters can't figure out why.
i don't know schwab. i have a sense he'll land on his feet.
 
Certainly 26 years with one employer is a long time, and probably shaded Schwab's opinion of the world. Employees today will often jump ship for a better salary, sometimes only a few thousand, and sometimes before they have had enough experience with their prior employer to provide them with good value. Apparently Schwab was in dialogue with his employers for a better salary, and they decided that he wasn't worth it. They either decided that even at his current salary he was expendable, or that their refusal to give into his salary demands would create a miserable employee based on the dialogue he had with his superiors.

We rarely consider if we are actually providing value to our employers at the salary we earn. In the US and elsewhere, it's a strange phenomenon. Most older workers earn more than younger counterparts, in part because salaries only move in one direction - up. It has created a situation where those workers over 50 are vulnerable, because they earn more than younger workers, and are not always as productive. Even if they are as productive, their higher salaries become prime candidates for layoffs when there are cutbacks. The job market for workers over the age of 50 is not good, especially for laid off workers. Why high someone at 55, at the top of their pay grade, when you can hire a 40 year old for a lower salary?

At least Schwab is in a market where his age and current salary may not be as much of a concern as in other sectors when seeking new employment. Good luck to him,
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the reason older workers are better than their younger counterparts? it's the bang for the buck. howie's replacement probably never heard of joe lapchick...joe morgan or joe pepitone. i've had young news managers ask me if belgium is a country, or where's indonesia? one said he knows nothing about presidents before reagan because that's who was there when he was born.
you don't think this affects quality?
i won't even discuss the dropoff in writing...or reliability of older workers.
so you have a lesser product with fewer viewers/listeners and the bean counters can't figure out why.
i don't know schwab. i have a sense he'll land on his feet.
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So Howie's replacement never heard of Joe Lapchick. Sometimes people Howie's age can't work a computer or text or do other 'modern' things.

A few young news people don't know about Belgium or Indonesia and you paint a broad brushstroke saying all young workers are less intelligent than those in their 50's?

I like Howie but this is the cycle of working we live in. Its not really common for people to work somewhere 26 years anymore. Howie will land just fine. I thinks it dumb that ESPN cuts him but also don't agree with your broad assertion that younger workers don't live up to others.
 
Moose, I think you are getting at a much bigger issue. It's not just about the individuals but the patterns of knowing; i.e. you are faced with the choice of knowing everything about nothing (an academic in an informational silo) or everything about nothing (people awash in social media and driven from input to input without values or guidance). In the long run this probably has all sorts of consequences in terms of expectations about problem resolution timetables, binding anxiety, and who knows what else. McCluhan opened the door on this and we are still seeing the consequences unfold as the information glut grows.
 
Certainly 26 years with one employer is a long time, and probably shaded Schwab's opinion of the world. Employees today will often jump ship for a better salary, sometimes only a few thousand, and sometimes before they have had enough experience with their prior employer to provide them with good value. Apparently Schwab was in dialogue with his employers for a better salary, and they decided that he wasn't worth it. They either decided that even at his current salary he was expendable, or that their refusal to give into his salary demands would create a miserable employee based on the dialogue he had with his superiors.

We rarely consider if we are actually providing value to our employers at the salary we earn. In the US and elsewhere, it's a strange phenomenon. Most older workers earn more than younger counterparts, in part because salaries only move in one direction - up. It has created a situation where those workers over 50 are vulnerable, because they earn more than younger workers, and are not always as productive. Even if they are as productive, their higher salaries become prime candidates for layoffs when there are cutbacks. The job market for workers over the age of 50 is not good, especially for laid off workers. Why high someone at 55, at the top of their pay grade, when you can hire a 40 year old for a lower salary?

At least Schwab is in a market where his age and current salary may not be as much of a concern as in other sectors when seeking new employment. Good luck to him,
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the reason older workers are better than their younger counterparts? it's the bang for the buck. howie's replacement probably never heard of joe lapchick...joe morgan or joe pepitone. i've had young news managers ask me if belgium is a country, or where's indonesia? one said he knows nothing about presidents before reagan because that's who was there when he was born.
you don't think this affects quality?
i won't even discuss the dropoff in writing...or reliability of older workers.
so you have a lesser product with fewer viewers/listeners and the bean counters can't figure out why.
i don't know schwab. i have a sense he'll land on his feet.
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So Howie's replacement never heard of Joe Lapchick. Sometimes people Howie's age can't work a computer or text or do other 'modern' things.. Its not really common for people to work somewhere 26 years anymore. Howie will land just fine. I thinks it dumb that ESPN cuts him but also don't agree with your broad assertion that younger workers don't live up to others.
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Age has nothing to do with it. However, I have yet to meet a college grad Howie's age that cannot operate today's computers that are designed for people with a 3rd grade education. I had an Apple Mac back in 1985. I dare ask, what we're you using in 1985? So much for modern! LOL!
Texting for girls. People do not work 25 years at a company because modern companies in America suck your blood and hang you out to dry.
Your modern future is no pension, work until you are 65 for 40+ hours per week and think about the fifties when Americans actually enjoyed better security.
 
a good mix of youth and maturity is the ideal. there is no substitute for maturity and experience. Unfortunately you only learn that in hindsight. Some companies have figured this out even in industries like tech where the prevailing attitudes have been that if you've been at a company for more than a few years it is because you are not good enough to get hired away or spin off your own company.
I remember reading an article from a couple of years back where the CEO of Twitter was discussing how they had this almost limitless influx of cash and they were cherry picking the best of the best from Stanford and Harvard MBAs but over time they figured out that they did better by hiring mature individuals with a good amount of history and experience.
I think this is why some companies "go private." They want to develop a better culture and build a sustainable company that can endure rather than be part of the glorified casino mentality where everything including people, is disposable.
 
Certainly 26 years with one employer is a long time, and probably shaded Schwab's opinion of the world. Employees today will often jump ship for a better salary, sometimes only a few thousand, and sometimes before they have had enough experience with their prior employer to provide them with good value. Apparently Schwab was in dialogue with his employers for a better salary, and they decided that he wasn't worth it. They either decided that even at his current salary he was expendable, or that their refusal to give into his salary demands would create a miserable employee based on the dialogue he had with his superiors.

We rarely consider if we are actually providing value to our employers at the salary we earn. In the US and elsewhere, it's a strange phenomenon. Most older workers earn more than younger counterparts, in part because salaries only move in one direction - up. It has created a situation where those workers over 50 are vulnerable, because they earn more than younger workers, and are not always as productive. Even if they are as productive, their higher salaries become prime candidates for layoffs when there are cutbacks. The job market for workers over the age of 50 is not good, especially for laid off workers. Why high someone at 55, at the top of their pay grade, when you can hire a 40 year old for a lower salary?

At least Schwab is in a market where his age and current salary may not be as much of a concern as in other sectors when seeking new employment. Good luck to him,
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the reason older workers are better than their younger counterparts? it's the bang for the buck. howie's replacement probably never heard of joe lapchick...joe morgan or joe pepitone. i've had young news managers ask me if belgium is a country, or where's indonesia? one said he knows nothing about presidents before reagan because that's who was there when he was born.
you don't think this affects quality?
i won't even discuss the dropoff in writing...or reliability of older workers.
so you have a lesser product with fewer viewers/listeners and the bean counters can't figure out why.
i don't know schwab. i have a sense he'll land on his feet.
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Age and experience certainly have their advantages. I wouldn't necessarily automatically assign knowledge with longevity. My 16 year old knows more about recording artists in music, including those form the 60s and 70s, than I will ever know. Howie was the torch sports editor I believe when I was in grad school, so I am certainly not defaming age and experience. However, perhaps the most vulnerable age group in our work force is the 50 and over crowd. So many of us are just hoping to make to retirement age without losing our jobs in a cost cutting measure. In most sectors, the chances of finding new employment in the same sector with a similar salary when you've lost your job is a very difficult proposition. I guess one of my points that I did not make clearly enough was that it appears that Schwab felt it was appropriate to negotiate for a higher wage, while his employers decided to cut him loose. It appears that if Schwab had to do it over, he'd have been content with his salary, and chose not to try to negotiate a raise..
 
Certainly 26 years with one employer is a long time, and probably shaded Schwab's opinion of the world. Employees today will often jump ship for a better salary, sometimes only a few thousand, and sometimes before they have had enough experience with their prior employer to provide them with good value. Apparently Schwab was in dialogue with his employers for a better salary, and they decided that he wasn't worth it. They either decided that even at his current salary he was expendable, or that their refusal to give into his salary demands would create a miserable employee based on the dialogue he had with his superiors.

We rarely consider if we are actually providing value to our employers at the salary we earn. In the US and elsewhere, it's a strange phenomenon. Most older workers earn more than younger counterparts, in part because salaries only move in one direction - up. It has created a situation where those workers over 50 are vulnerable, because they earn more than younger workers, and are not always as productive. Even if they are as productive, their higher salaries become prime candidates for layoffs when there are cutbacks. The job market for workers over the age of 50 is not good, especially for laid off workers. Why high someone at 55, at the top of their pay grade, when you can hire a 40 year old for a lower salary?

At least Schwab is in a market where his age and current salary may not be as much of a concern as in other sectors when seeking new employment. Good luck to him,
Click to expand...

the reason older workers are better than their younger counterparts? it's the bang for the buck. howie's replacement probably never heard of joe lapchick...joe morgan or joe pepitone. i've had young news managers ask me if belgium is a country, or where's indonesia? one said he knows nothing about presidents before reagan because that's who was there when he was born.
you don't think this affects quality?
i won't even discuss the dropoff in writing...or reliability of older workers.
so you have a lesser product with fewer viewers/listeners and the bean counters can't figure out why.
i don't know schwab. i have a sense he'll land on his feet.
Click to expand...

Age and experience certainly have their advantages. I wouldn't necessarily automatically assign knowledge with longevity. My 16 year old knows more about recording artists in music, including those form the 60s and 70s, than I will ever know. Howie was the torch sports editor I believe when I was in grad school, so I am certainly not defaming age and experience. However, perhaps the most vulnerable age group in our work force is the 50 and over crowd. So many of us are just hoping to make to retirement age without losing our jobs in a cost cutting measure. In most sectors, the chances of finding new employment in the same sector with a similar salary when you've lost your job is a very difficult proposition. I guess one of my points that I did not make clearly enough was that it appears that Schwab felt it was appropriate to negotiate for a higher wage, while his employers decided to cut him loose. It appears that if Schwab had to do it over, he'd have been content with his salary, and chose not to try to negotiate a raise..
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But wouldn't you think an employer would try to work with the pricetag a 26 yr employee gives them. I mean I doubt he would hold their feet to the fire unless he had something in his back pocket waiting in case.
 
Certainly 26 years with one employer is a long time, and probably shaded Schwab's opinion of the world. Employees today will often jump ship for a better salary, sometimes only a few thousand, and sometimes before they have had enough experience with their prior employer to provide them with good value. Apparently Schwab was in dialogue with his employers for a better salary, and they decided that he wasn't worth it. They either decided that even at his current salary he was expendable, or that their refusal to give into his salary demands would create a miserable employee based on the dialogue he had with his superiors.

We rarely consider if we are actually providing value to our employers at the salary we earn. In the US and elsewhere, it's a strange phenomenon. Most older workers earn more than younger counterparts, in part because salaries only move in one direction - up. It has created a situation where those workers over 50 are vulnerable, because they earn more than younger workers, and are not always as productive. Even if they are as productive, their higher salaries become prime candidates for layoffs when there are cutbacks. The job market for workers over the age of 50 is not good, especially for laid off workers. Why high someone at 55, at the top of their pay grade, when you can hire a 40 year old for a lower salary?

At least Schwab is in a market where his age and current salary may not be as much of a concern as in other sectors when seeking new employment. Good luck to him,
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the reason older workers are better than their younger counterparts? it's the bang for the buck. howie's replacement probably never heard of joe lapchick...joe morgan or joe pepitone. i've had young news managers ask me if belgium is a country, or where's indonesia? one said he knows nothing about presidents before reagan because that's who was there when he was born.
you don't think this affects quality?
i won't even discuss the dropoff in writing...or reliability of older workers.
so you have a lesser product with fewer viewers/listeners and the bean counters can't figure out why.
i don't know schwab. i have a sense he'll land on his feet.
Click to expand...

Age and experience certainly have their advantages. I wouldn't necessarily automatically assign knowledge with longevity. My 16 year old knows more about recording artists in music, including those form the 60s and 70s, than I will ever know. Howie was the torch sports editor I believe when I was in grad school, so I am certainly not defaming age and experience. However, perhaps the most vulnerable age group in our work force is the 50 and over crowd. So many of us are just hoping to make to retirement age without losing our jobs in a cost cutting measure. In most sectors, the chances of finding new employment in the same sector with a similar salary when you've lost your job is a very difficult proposition. I guess one of my points that I did not make clearly enough was that it appears that Schwab felt it was appropriate to negotiate for a higher wage, while his employers decided to cut him loose. It appears that if Schwab had to do it over, he'd have been content with his salary, and chose not to try to negotiate a raise..
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But wouldn't you think an employer would try to work with the pricetag a 26 yr employee gives them. I mean I doubt he would hold their feet to the fire unless he had something in his back pocket waiting in case.
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Moose, I won't pretend to know anything more than has been written, and also try not to read between the lines too much or to speculate. In companies, there can always be something else beyond productivity, and there are always personalities to contend with. You don't know if the layoff was going to happen anyway, or if broken down salary demands were the last straw. Companies sometimes do dumb things, sometimes employees do dumb things.

With our economy not running on all cylinders, one thing is certain, that over 30 years the landscape has changed. There is a whole lot less loyalty all around. Employers will make cuts to increase profitability, and employees jump ship after much shorter tenures. I'm still not used to looking at resumes that look like swiss cheese - 15 years of experience and 8-12 different jobs.

The job situation in America is such that even commenting on this and making any assertions, is likely to raise someone's ire. I've lost two kharma points in the past 2 days from this thread alone. Since jobs play so prominently on male egos, I want to make it clear that I am not trying to offend anyone here, and am sympathetic to anyone who has been or is out of work.
 
first, let me say i've had the opportunity to work with a number of outstanding young people. a large number.

i just believe there's more to news and sports than last night's scores. it was posted several weeks ago that espn planned to lay off hundreds of employees. schwab is one of the casualties and probably would have been whether or not he asked for a raise. in many corporations, people are no more than disposable objects. that's how it is.

in the long run, howie got to pick up a check while doing something he loved. that means, on some level, he got paid twenty six years for not working. he knows how to work his talent. i'm sure many of you would trade places with him.

fox sports is hiring. i'd bet howie has some great stuff for a book or two. life goes on.
 
The problem is a lot of people running these companies are clueless. ESPN overbid for the ACC television rights, encouraged the breakup of the Big East, and is now laying off employees to make up the difference. The fact was stated earlier, we can lay an older employee off and replace him with someone lee expensive. Trying to save money by getting rid of employees and pushing up executive salaries is the norm.
In the 1970's, I worked in the Queens Business Service Center for New York Telephone Co. It was a good job with decent benefits. They also had a residential Service Center in the same building on 165th St. in Jamaica. As a representative, it was our responsibility to help customers with any problems they had. We also took orders to install or replace equipment. Two months ago, a truck passed in front of my house and knocked down the telephone lines knocking out my service. When my wife called the phone company, she ended up speaking to someone who was located in the Phillipenes. This is why there is so much unemployment in this country, everything is being outsourced. Greed is killing us, those who have are not satisfied, they just want more, no matter who gets harmed along the way.
About 12 years ago, the president of Goldman Sachs laid off almost 1,000 administrative employees who had been with the company for 15 years or more in order to cut costs. At the end of the year he received a 10 million dollar bonus for a job well done. This just does not make sense.
In Texas, the legislature passed a law that state agencies would be required to buy American made products when the cost is the same and they are as good as foreign made products. This was something that Democrats and Republicans agreed upon. The governor wants to veto the bill due to influence from companies who have their products made overseas. This is totally ridiculous.
I honestly believe that if this trend continues, we will have a revolution in this country within the next 25 years. When people become disenfranchised, they have nothing to lose.
 
I honestly believe that if this trend continues, we will have a revolution in this country within the next 25 years. When people become disenfranchised, they have nothing to lose.
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From this day forward I will now think of Panther2 as " Che Panthera " :)
 
I honestly believe that if this trend continues, we will have a revolution in this country within the next 25 years. When people become disenfranchised, they have nothing to lose.
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From this day forward I will now think of Panther2 as " Che Panthera " :)
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Viva La Revolucion!

---(And now I await a visit from the NSA)
 
I honestly believe that if this trend continues, we will have a revolution in this country within the next 25 years. When people become disenfranchised, they have nothing to lose.
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From this day forward I will now think of Panther2 as " Che Panthera " :)
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Viva La Revolucion!

---(And now I await a visit from the NSA)
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They will be there in a little while. They are busy waterboarding panther2 right now.
 
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