Has thisnteam regressed?

It's good to see well informed posters finally learning this year what Norm Roberts knew in 2006: you can't win in the BE with freshmen.

As for regressing, regressing from what? Being all stars in high school? They're 6 weeks into their college careers. On a team with a normal roster most of them - Phil Greene around the gills, Sir Dominick Pointless, Gazuntheit Achiewa - would only play garbage time minutes. Because our freshmen, when compared to other team's juniors, stink. They have little or no offensive skills, they can't shoot, and the athleticism that made them above average in HS doesn't carry over to college, where they're competing against bigger, stronger, more mature players. Fortunately they will not be freshmen forever and when they're not they won't stink. That this surprises anyone would surprise me if I weren't so darned jaded.

In November when they slapped down CW Post we learned that this team was one of the top 10 Division III teams in the country. When they slipped by Texas Pan Am we learned that they could be competitive in Division II. When they lose to Syracuse and dOoK by a combined 100 points we'll learn: nothing at all. If you can't enjoy the process take a nap and set your alarm clock for February 2013, which is about the team this group will comprise a basketball team.
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this is all very true and as usual funny. the reason some people think we are regressing is because they read all the posts on this forum with regards to recruits. they talk up the players we're recruiting as the next john wall or anthony davis and when they get here they dont there's no resemblance to what they imagined. so your right what are we regressing from? we were'nt very good to begin with
 
 No, USF is a weak team. South Florida on a neutral court lost to Penn Staten and Old Dominion. They went on the road and were killed in the second half at Auburn. When you play in the BE every body is going to have a couple of wins but you have to look at the non-conference and USF was not good.
 
 No, USF is a weak team. South Florida on a neutral court lost to Penn Staten and Old Dominion. They went on the road and were killed in the second half at Auburn. When you play in the BE every body is going to have a couple of wins but you have to look at the non-conference and USF was not good.
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Why should we look at their non-conference schedule losses and not their conference wins? That is flawed logic. St. John's lost to St. Bonnie's and Fordham last season. So, I guess that made their conference record null and void last season, right?

It's still a young season, but maybe USF is steadily improving. They have more than a couple of wins. They are 4-2. They aren't world beaters, but they are fairly decent.
 
Regressed??? Interesting notion...but not really fair at this moment. The learning curve for freshmen is tremendous. if any of these kids were surrounded by upperclassmen we would be salivating at the mouth for the prospects of what is to come. USF is a trash team in the BE but they are an experienced trash team. You also don't get to coach in the BE if you are totally inept...err well most of the time. Anyway - these teams know that if they shut down DJ and Mo we are helpless. I would play a box in one and throw my best guy on DJ all day and dare Mo to come into the paint.

We simply don't have the size and the long range weaponry and can't make up for it with experience. Quite simply next year this team will flow from what Branch does. We are liteally two dimensional and unfortunatly those dimensions are also freshmen in the toughest conference in the nation. People keep saying Nuri who but his loss was huge in the overall scheme of things because he was a third option that we no longer have.

I look forward to next year when Branch can feed all of these guys and make everyone from DJ to Mo to Garrit better by letting them play the way they are meant to. We have no true PG on a freshmen team and it shows. 
 
Regressed??? Interesting notion...but not really fair at this moment. The learning curve for freshmen is tremendous. if any of these kids were surrounded by upperclassmen we would be salivating at the mouth for the prospects of what is to come. USF is a trash team in the BE but they are an experienced trash team. You also don't get to coach in the BE if you are totally inept...err well most of the time. Anyway - these teams know that if they shut down DJ and Mo we are helpless. I would play a box in one and throw my best guy on DJ all day and dare Mo to come into the paint.

We simply don't have the size and the long range weaponry and can't make up for it with experience. Quite simply next year this team will flow from what Branch does. We are liteally two dimensional and unfortunatly those dimensions are also freshmen in the toughest conference in the nation. People keep saying Nuri who but his loss was huge in the overall scheme of things because he was a third option that we no longer have.

I look forward to next year when Branch can feed all of these guys and make everyone from DJ to Mo to Garrit better by letting them play the way they are meant to. We have no true PG on a freshmen team and it shows. 
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Great post Buckethead, and thank you for peppering a little reason on the doom and gloom we've seen posted. Gentleman, I am not a known kool-aid drinking rah-rah poster, but these kids have shown us nothing but reasons to get really excited about the future. Damn this team needs a point guard...single-digit assists all year long...but we have the #51 pg from 2011 sitting behind the bench, chomping at the bit to get 6-7 assists himself! Lav will fill out the bench with top talent, and this team will be in the Sweet 16 NEXT season. 
 
It's good to see well informed posters finally learning this year what Norm Roberts knew in 2006: you can't win in the BE with freshmen.

As for regressing, regressing from what? Being all stars in high school? They're 6 weeks into their college careers. On a team with a normal roster most of them - Phil Greene around the gills, Sir Dominick Pointless, Gazuntheit Achiewa - would only play garbage time minutes. Because our freshmen, when compared to other team's juniors, stink. They have little or no offensive skills, they can't shoot, and the athleticism that made them above average in HS doesn't carry over to college, where they're competing against bigger, stronger, more mature players. Fortunately they will not be freshmen forever and when they're not they won't stink. That this surprises anyone would surprise me if I weren't so darned jaded.

In November when they slapped down CW Post we learned that this team was one of the top 10 Division III teams in the country. When they slipped by Texas Pan Am we learned that they could be competitive in Division II. When they lose to Syracuse and dOoK by a combined 100 points we'll learn: nothing at all. If you can't enjoy the process take a nap and set your alarm clock for February 2013, which is about the team this group will comprise a basketball team.
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This analysis makes perfect sense. Yet, it will have little impact on the mindset of many here. Therefore, here is what the panic stricken want to hear: The team is getting worse, the coach may never come back, Dunlap is clueless, If you remove the 4th and 5th letters from clueless, you get Cluess. It's an omen the A.D. should have noticed, so we should have hired Cluess. Sampson and Gathers aren't coming, but even if they decide to come, they're not that good. St. John's will soon be in the Patriot League, right before they drop men's basketball. Everyone should be happy now.
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And your purpose of such an obnoxious post is???????
 
 No, USF is a weak team. South Florida on a neutral court lost to Penn Staten and Old Dominion. They went on the road and were killed in the second half at Auburn. When you play in the BE every body is going to have a couple of wins but you have to look at the non-conference and USF was not good.
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Why should we look at their non-conference schedule losses and not their conference wins? That is flawed logic. St. John's lost to St. Bonnie's and Fordham last season. So, I guess that made their conference record null and void last season, right?

It's still a young season, but maybe USF is steadily improving. They have more than a couple of wins. They are 4-2. They aren't world beaters, but they are fairly decent.
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bottom line........ South Florida will finish in bottom half of Big East......... that equals...... WEAK TEAM!!!
 
 No, USF is a weak team. South Florida on a neutral court lost to Penn Staten and Old Dominion. They went on the road and were killed in the second half at Auburn. When you play in the BE every body is going to have a couple of wins but you have to look at the non-conference and USF was not good.
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Why should we look at their non-conference schedule losses and not their conference wins? That is flawed logic. St. John's lost to St. Bonnie's and Fordham last season. So, I guess that made their conference record null and void last season, right?

It's still a young season, but maybe USF is steadily improving. They have more than a couple of wins. They are 4-2. They aren't world beaters, but they are fairly decent.
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bottom line........ South Florida will finish in bottom half of Big East......... that equals...... WEAK TEAM!!!
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You may be right but anyone with a modicum of sports knowledge knows you have to judge a team by how they are playing when you play them and right now they are 4-2 in the BE which hardly qualifies tham as a weak team.
 
 No, USF is a weak team. South Florida on a neutral court lost to Penn Staten and Old Dominion. They went on the road and were killed in the second half at Auburn. When you play in the BE every body is going to have a couple of wins but you have to look at the non-conference and USF was not good.
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Why should we look at their non-conference schedule losses and not their conference wins? That is flawed logic. St. John's lost to St. Bonnie's and Fordham last season. So, I guess that made their conference record null and void last season, right?

It's still a young season, but maybe USF is steadily improving. They have more than a couple of wins. They are 4-2. They aren't world beaters, but they are fairly decent.
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bottom line........ South Florida will finish in bottom half of Big East......... that equals...... WEAK TEAM!!!
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You may be right but anyone with a modicum of sports knowledge knows you have to judge a team by how they are playing when you play them and right now they are 4-2 in the BE which hardly qualifies tham as a weak team.
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Spot on, Logen. We don't know how the season is gonna turn out for USF. They aren't currently playing like a weak team. Until they fall off then they are considered a decent team.
 
bottom line rather they are weak or not we are undermanned and inexperienced. the whole concept of regressed is ridiculous at this point in the season. They are going to have to continue to adjust to teams adjusting to them. They will have to learn that what worked last week won't work this week - and this goes for the coaching staff as well as the players because basketball isn't a static game. They might go in and destroy the next team and the team after that will destroy them in turn because we have limited flexibility and limited experience. Hell even legimate NCAA champ contenders have fallen to off days, losing to teams that, prior to that, people would say they didn't belong on the same court together.

Regressed - i think the only regression i am seeing is in posters who want to vomit frustration like this is still the old regime...we have a core...they have limited experience. Why don't we go along for the ride, quit stressing and see what develops - seriously some cardiologists and gastroenterologists ought to advertise on here because there are clearly missing out on a large chunk of future business.
 
bottom line rather they are weak or not we are undermanned and inexperienced. the whole concept of regressed is ridiculous at this point in the season. They are going to have to continue to adjust to teams adjusting to them. They will have to learn that what worked last week won't work this week - and this goes for the coaching staff as well as the players because basketball isn't a static game. They might go in and destroy the next team and the team after that will destroy them in turn because we have limited flexibility and limited experience. Hell even legimate NCAA champ contenders have fallen to off days, losing to teams that, prior to that, people would say they didn't belong on the same court together.

Regressed - i think the only regression i am seeing is in posters who want to vomit frustration like this is still the old regime...we have a core...they have limited experience. Why don't we go along for the ride, quit stressing and see what develops - seriously some cardiologists and gastroenterologists ought to advertise on here because there are clearly missing out on a large chunk of future business.
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Off? Surely you jest. Off is sometimes looking bad..... We have consistently looked bad. In terms of stressing ..... It's called telling it like it presently is without Rose colored glasses.
 
Take the starting point guard and every player over 6'8 off of any team in the country- then watch them "regress"

You guys are ridiculous. This isn't a real team yet. What are they regressing from?
 
It's good to see well informed posters finally learning this year what Norm Roberts knew in 2006: you can't win in the BE with freshmen.

As for regressing, regressing from what? Being all stars in high school? They're 6 weeks into their college careers. On a team with a normal roster most of them - Phil Greene around the gills, Sir Dominick Pointless, Gazuntheit Achiewa - would only play garbage time minutes. Because our freshmen, when compared to other team's juniors, stink. They have little or no offensive skills, they can't shoot, and the athleticism that made them above average in HS doesn't carry over to college, where they're competing against bigger, stronger, more mature players. Fortunately they will not be freshmen forever and when they're not they won't stink. That this surprises anyone would surprise me if I weren't so darned jaded.

In November when they slapped down CW Post we learned that this team was one of the top 10 Division III teams in the country. When they slipped by Texas Pan Am we learned that they could be competitive in Division II. When they lose to Syracuse and dOoK by a combined 100 points we'll learn: nothing at all. If you can't enjoy the process take a nap and set your alarm clock for February 2013, which is about the team this group will comprise a basketball team.
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This analysis makes perfect sense. Yet, it will have little impact on the mindset of many here. Therefore, here is what the panic stricken want to hear: The team is getting worse, the coach may never come back, Dunlap is clueless, If you remove the 4th and 5th letters from clueless, you get Cluess. It's an omen the A.D. should have noticed, so we should have hired Cluess. Sampson and Gathers aren't coming, but even if they decide to come, they're not that good. St. John's will soon be in the Patriot League, right before they drop men's basketball. Everyone should be happy now.
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And your purpose of such an obnoxious post is???????
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My post or Fun's? OK, I guess you mean me. I don't find the post obnoxious. Condescending perhaps, maybe even belittling. Really meant to suggest everyone focus on the reality of a program in the early stages of rebuilding. Too much of a panicky fan base out there.
 
wow, so many a$#hole "fans" on this board....its your own fault for expecting anything from this team this year...these boys play their hearts out every game....i love watching these guys play....i know they will play their butts off from tip to final horn...if you people can't understand that they are gunna suck for the most part this year due to lack of depth, size, youth...then go root for syracuse or some other"winners"....youre not fans, youre impatient little b!tche$ and when they do well next year and years to come I'm gunna bump these posts to show yourtrue colors 
 
Wayans, Waiters, Melo. Wayans, Waiters, Melo. And I could name others but those three come to mind quickly. Most freshman are afforded the luxury of coming in their first year and playing some, making mistakes, coming out of the game for some real time coaching, sitting and watching experienced players do it right and working and improving their games in the off-season and coming back much better players; Wayans, Waiters, Melo. Our guys don't have that luxury, on top of that they lost their coach to a medical sabbatical. At the end of the game last night they were still playing HARD and while they all need to improve this group gets nothing but respect from me. They are playing through something few teams have ever had to, six first year players, five freshman, playing all the minutes at this level of basketball without their head coach. And these are not one and doners, stopping off at college before the pros because that's what the rules say they have to do. These guys deserve our respect, not for the results, but for the continuing effort under very unusual and unique circumstances.

 
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No one is questioning their efforts, although last night in the last two minutes or so of the game, many hung their heads and did seem to give up. You could see it in their faces. And yes they do deserve our respect, and yes, things should get better next year although, I dont think it will be automatic that we climb to the lofty heights that MCNPA would have you believe, but my post referred to their present body of work which one has to admit is not what we all would have envisioned earlier in the season with or without Pelle and Sampson.

And yes, while they are freshman, these kids have logged more minutes than many sophs and juniors who are currently playing on other teams and are quite successful. At this point in the season, should we not be expecting a few wins against the weaker teams and some signs of improvement? It does get tiresome treking into the Garden, at these prices and seeing a team that as of late has been anything but competitive. What we need at this point is a few wins and a close game against one of the better perceived teams in the conference.
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It's easy to get down about the current results. Just think about how good last year's team was with a group of, relatively speaking, moderately talented players. . .look at how well Seton Hall is doing with two seniors. . . Confidence leads to improved performance. . .Confidence comes with experience. . .I am sure that many of our players are so caught up with the "mechanics" right now simply because they lack confidence. . .there is just no way that this team will not be infinitely better in the coming years
 
 No, USF is a weak team. South Florida on a neutral court lost to Penn Staten and Old Dominion. They went on the road and were killed in the second half at Auburn. When you play in the BE every body is going to have a couple of wins but you have to look at the non-conference and USF was not good.
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we didnt play them on a neutral court...we played them at their home...where they are confident and I believe 9-1...
 
wow, so many a$#hole "fans" on this board....its your own fault for expecting anything from this team this year...these boys play their hearts out every game....i love watching these guys play....i know they will play their butts off from tip to final horn...if you people can't understand that they are gunna suck for the most part this year due to lack of depth, size, youth...then go root for syracuse or some other"winners"....youre not fans, youre impatient little b!tche$ and when they do well next year and years to come I'm gunna bump these posts to show yourtrue colors 
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Impatient little bitches? Now thats an intelligent post. Try watching the games and then make a "rational" evaluation of what you observe. 
 
wow, so many a$#hole "fans" on this board....its your own fault for expecting anything from this team this year...these boys play their hearts out every game....i love watching these guys play....i know they will play their butts off from tip to final horn...if you people can't understand that they are gunna suck for the most part this year due to lack of depth, size, youth...then go root for syracuse or some other"winners"....youre not fans, youre impatient little b!tche$ and when they do well next year and years to come I'm gunna bump these posts to show yourtrue colors 
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Impatient little bitches? Now thats an intelligent post. Try watching the games and then make a "rational" evaluation of what you observe. 
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I've seen every minute of every game... I have dvr'd any game thats been on tv whether it's espn, sny, msg and have watched all the espn3 games on my phone or computer....i have in my mind that they will lose every big east game, the 2 they won were pleasant suprises. Do you not have the ability to comprehend we are starting freshmen aside from a jc transfer that started playin ball 5 years ago?? Using rational thinking, what are you expecting?? You obviously dont know the game of basketball because if you did, you would know not to expect anything special.freshmen are known for inconsistency, any one that knows basics of this sport knows that....it's your own fault for expecting anything from this team...they use a 6 man rotation and throw stith in at rare times...other teams with juniors and seniors use 10 man rotations....hmmmm I wonder what team will win 9 times out of 10
 
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