Harrison and Redick
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Was a 20 year old freshman on a team with some excellent talent.
Both Dlo and Mo are only 18 and have had to be the focus of the offense from day 1.
There is just no comparison IMHO.
guinness77
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D'Angelo Harrison = BEAST.
nuff said
nuff said
Fair enough and I never said Russell or Mckoy were not important parts of their teams, just comparing star freshman with other great players over the last 35 years.
Going by your logic few historians could ever comment as they would not have lived through the time they were comparing history. In any event since I never saw Russell play as a freshman or Mckoy period all I can compare is stats and what I have read and heard from others whom I know and whose opinion I value and will stick by my opinion that Harrison is the best freshman we have had since 1977.
I love Moe as well. The differences I see are that Moe primarily does what his body allows him to do at 6'8 1/2 and with absurd length. He rarely even has to jump for boards...just tips them to himself. He gets so many boards and put backs because of it. 3'Angelo has to create his stuff and he does it without space, without a true point guard, and without another player that is consistently capable of shooting or producing their own points. 3'Lo is the clear focus of every single opposing defense.
When he leaves the lineup for even a play, STJ is simply incapable of creating any offense. The kid is the most valuable player to a team I've ever witnessed. As great as Kemba was, Uconn could function without him. STJ cannot function without Harrison and wouldn't score 50 points if Harrison didn't play.
Redick led a charmed life at Duke and made a living on touch fouls. D Lo is five times as tough and hard nosed. Much closer to Hardy but stronger IMO. He has ultimate game and no weak spots. I love watching him compete. It'll be his show next year if Moe goes and that's fine with me. It's up to Lavin to give him the support he deserves. No more BS Steve. Fill the roster and coach em up.
beast of the east
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I wouldn't even say he's definitively the best freshman to play for us THIS YEAR. Harkless has been up and down, but the best of Harkless is far better than the best of Harrison.
The thing I love about Harrison is that as a frosh, he is fearless.
You might remember the THREE TIME Big Easy player or the year, Chris Mullin, who arrived here as a complete player, and Harrison is far from that. It's not a criticism of Harrison, who has benefitted greatly from Lindsay's departure, and is one the highest scoring freshmen in the nation.
I know I bow down at the Mullin altar, but for good reason - he's the best player who ever set foot on campus, and his 4 year resume was a masterpiece.
As to the question posed, Harrison is a better athlete than Redick, and Redick a more deadly knock-down shooter.
It's hard to assess Reddick without thinking about his full career at Duke. I'm not convinced that D can't continue to develop his shooting ability and be as good or better than Reddick as a deadly knockdown shooter. This kid is a big time scorer now, and even the comparisons to Hardy are a huge complement since we only saw him for his junior and senior seasons.
Let's not get carried away here, D'Angelo Harrison is a fine player and fine freshman player, maybe one of the best.
BUT his name cannot be mentioned in the same breath with Chris Mullin, As a freshman, as a collegian BB player. Mullin is an all-time great, his play for St. John's ranks him as possibly one of the greatest college basketball players of all time.
Correct me if I am wrong but Mullin is in both the College BB Hall of Fame and the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, MA.
Let's not jinx DH by putting him in the Mullin category, certainly not just yet.
Let's watch and enjoy his great play and savor every moment since there were so many lean years that we went through.
P.S. Imagine Mullin's records if there was a three point line when he played. THREE STRAIGHT Years as Big East Player of the year, no one has ever done that, not Ewing, not Mourning, not Derrick Coleman, not anyone; come-on, a little perspective.
BUT his name cannot be mentioned in the same breath with Chris Mullin, As a freshman, as a collegian BB player. Mullin is an all-time great, his play for St. John's ranks him as possibly one of the greatest college basketball players of all time.
Correct me if I am wrong but Mullin is in both the College BB Hall of Fame and the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, MA.
Let's not jinx DH by putting him in the Mullin category, certainly not just yet.
Let's watch and enjoy his great play and savor every moment since there were so many lean years that we went through.
P.S. Imagine Mullin's records if there was a three point line when he played. THREE STRAIGHT Years as Big East Player of the year, no one has ever done that, not Ewing, not Mourning, not Derrick Coleman, not anyone; come-on, a little perspective.
Many valid points. I've seen every player at SJU since 1961. Many couldn't play as freshman because the NCAA wouldn't allow it. The NCAA also had a rule against dunking the basketball so we missed many spectacular plays from many of our players. We also had a pretty good 4 year player in George Johnson who had a good NBA career. And we also had a pretty good player named Lloyd "Sonny" Dove. However, none of these players were expected to play close to 40 minutes a game, and didn't get the playing time that Mo and D are getting. They all played with upper classmen and weren't called upon to carry the team. If they were put on todays team their numbers would have jumped. So I think these comparisons are apples to oranges. But as far as D being compared to JJ, I'd take D. He's a better all around player and he's more advanced than JJ at this stage.
buckethead
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though not s old as some posters i can think of three freshman i would rank ahead of dh...mullin, artest and sealy. That being said dh is going to a special player and despite his dreams i cant see him going pro more than a year earlu...unless he leads us somewhere deep into the ncaas next year.
beast of the east
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To my recollection, David Russell made the Lapchick tourney all tournamnet team as a freshman and had a fine frosh year. George Johnson had a great 4 year run at SJU also - I'd need help as to whether he was freshman eligible, since i started seiorusly following the team midway through his career.