Hardship Waivers

[quote="Chris7" post=295753]It’s now my understanding that it’s not looking good for MH’s waiver. Go figure with this bunch.[/quote]

Does someone have Chris7's phone number? I think a fan from another rival school has hacked his account on this board.
 
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If she is improving that’s great but I think the NCAA not granting him for that reason would be heartless and cause a lot of animosity All the more it should be granted health can change quickly Let the kid play and enjoy his family i
 
This is old information but I don'tthink we ever discussed her health situation. It appears that this wasn't life threatening but prevents her from air travel to see him play.
I don't think an improvement in her condition should affect the NCAA decision, but could influence if it should be approved in the first place, if that makes sense.

From Feb 2018

Bryan Heron, Mustapha's father, told Adam Zagoria that Mustapha's mother, Thalia Heron, has had 30 doctors visits and five emergency room visits after suffering a concussion during the last year and his son will apply for a hardship waiver for immediate eligibility.

"Being home, he wants to get closer to his mom," Bryan Heron said, according to Zagoria. "He knew he had to go back to school. The last month he's been here and he wants to be close to his mom, where she can see him play
 
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Items considered in granting hardship waiver:
The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.
Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.

It doesn't say the injury must be life threatening just that it should be. I believe the NCAA will grant the waiver and think that the "life threatening" issue would have been raised early on if it was an issue, but that would seem to be only possible grounds to deny. Not to mention that head injuries/concussions are very tricky things and it may have been considered somewhat life threatening.
 
Honestly this was my my main concern regarding the possibility of his eligibility...the life-threatening part. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but I don't think I've ever heard of a concussion no matter how severe to be life-threatening. If he doesn't get it my guess would be it's because of this or because we messed up the paperwork or something stupid. Glad to hear his mother might be doing better, that's the real important thing. I disagree with those who already seem ready to give a pass to Mullin if Heron is not eligible. Heron makes us a potential top 25 team and a virtual lock for the tourney. Without Heron, we won't be top 25 level but we should still be making the tourney. Ponds, Simon, Dixon, Fig, Keita, Clark, etc. is more than enough talent for any halfway decent coach.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=295947]Honestly this was my my main concern regarding the possibility of his eligibility...the life-threatening part. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but I don't think I've ever heard of a concussion no matter how severe to be life-threatening. If he doesn't get it my guess would be it's because of this or because we messed up the paperwork or something stupid. Glad to hear his mother might be doing better, that's the real important thing. I disagree with those who already seem ready to give a pass to Mullin if Heron is not eligible. Heron makes us a potential top 25 team and a virtual lock for the tourney. Without Heron, we won't be top 25 level but we should still be making the tourney. Ponds, Simon, Dixon, Fig, Keita, Clark, etc. is more than enough talent for any halfway decent coach.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure nobody is giving a pass to Mullin. If he doesn't win with this talent in year four, he likely never will. And this is coming from an optimist.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=295947]Honestly this was my my main concern regarding the possibility of his eligibility...the life-threatening part. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but I don't think I've ever heard of a concussion no matter how severe to be life-threatening. If he doesn't get it my guess would be it's because of this or because we messed up the paperwork or something stupid. Glad to hear his mother might be doing better, that's the real important thing. I disagree with those who already seem ready to give a pass to Mullin if Heron is not eligible. Heron makes us a potential top 25 team and a virtual lock for the tourney. Without Heron, we won't be top 25 level but we should still be making the tourney. Ponds, Simon, Dixon, Fig, Keita, Clark, etc. is more than enough talent for any halfway decent coach.[/quote]

While Ponds, Simon, Dixon, Fig, Keita, Clark are all quality players, after those six we fall off the cliff of depth. One or two key players in foul trouble or hurt and we become rather thin. Heron is a proven "star" while the others need to prove themselves. As for coaching we shall see what our California trio can do with good talent. If the results are mediocre I suspect it may be adios to at least two of the three amigos. Hurley may be right not to sign that contract for a year.
 
Mantra for overwhelming majority of this board is optimism for coming season but No Excuses for lack of success this year. Let's give staff a chance to get it done before speculating on possible failure.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=295947]Honestly this was my my main concern regarding the possibility of his eligibility...the life-threatening part. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but I don't think I've ever heard of a concussion no matter how severe to be life-threatening. If he doesn't get it my guess would be it's because of this or because we messed up the paperwork or something stupid. Glad to hear his mother might be doing better, that's the real important thing. I disagree with those who already seem ready to give a pass to Mullin if Heron is not eligible. Heron makes us a potential top 25 team and a virtual lock for the tourney. Without Heron, we won't be top 25 level but we should still be making the tourney. Ponds, Simon, Dixon, Fig, Keita, Clark, etc. is more than enough talent for any halfway decent coach.[/quote]

This is why you are such an idiot, and people are trying to be kind to you lately deliberately. The issue is a hardship waiver here, not giving Mullin a pass, not holding him accountable for wins, not whether we make the dance without Heron or not. It what makes reading your shit continually very painful. Now do me a favor and spare us all a 12 paragraph defense on how you are getting picked on.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=295944]Items considered in granting hardship waiver:
The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.
Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.

It doesn't say the injury must be life threatening just that it should be. I believe the NCAA will grant the waiver and think that the "life threatening" issue would have been raised early on if it was an issue, but that would seem to be only possible grounds to deny. Not to mention that head injuries/concussions are very tricky things and it may have been considered somewhat life threatening.[/quote]

I think its the third requirement that the petition was made - the worsening of her condition. By mentioning 30 doctor visits and 5 ER visits, it appears the narrative is that his mom was getting worse. I'm concerned that the NCAA is all too familiar with concussions, and around NY, fans remember Wayne Chrbet's health odyssey and PAt LaFontaine's permanent bout with mirgraines long after his career was over.

I don't think this is an easy call, especially if her condition has improved since the waiver. However, the transfer was made based on her condition at the time of the waiver, and I don't think the NCAA can possibly penalize Heron because his Mom has gotten better. We will never know the outcome, but if I was a betting man, and I'm not, I'd say we becomes eligible by a narrow margin, with enough discussion about the ramifications of denying the application.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=295955][quote="Mike Zaun" post=295947]Honestly this was my my main concern regarding the possibility of his eligibility...the life-threatening part. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but I don't think I've ever heard of a concussion no matter how severe to be life-threatening. If he doesn't get it my guess would be it's because of this or because we messed up the paperwork or something stupid. Glad to hear his mother might be doing better, that's the real important thing. I disagree with those who already seem ready to give a pass to Mullin if Heron is not eligible. Heron makes us a potential top 25 team and a virtual lock for the tourney. Without Heron, we won't be top 25 level but we should still be making the tourney. Ponds, Simon, Dixon, Fig, Keita, Clark, etc. is more than enough talent for any halfway decent coach.[/quote]

This is why you are such an idiot, and people are trying to be kind to you lately deliberately. The issue is a hardship waiver here, not giving Mullin a pass, not holding him accountable for wins, not whether we make the dance without Heron or not. It what makes reading your shit continually very painful. Now do me a favor and spare us all a 12 paragraph defense on how you are getting picked on.[/quote] LOL thank you for the laugh!
 
[quote="Johnny4Life" post=295891][quote="Chris7" post=295753]It’s now my understanding that it’s not looking good for MH’s waiver. Go figure with this bunch.[/quote]

Does someone have Chris7's phone number? I think a fan from another rival school has hacked his account on this board.[/quote]

Ha! Don't kill the messenger. Although, full disclosure, that did not come from anyone at SJU but from someone connected to the conference, not stirring the pot, obviously take everything like this with a grain of salt.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=295957][quote="NCJohnnie" post=295944]Items considered in granting hardship waiver:
The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.
Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.

It doesn't say the injury must be life threatening just that it should be. I believe the NCAA will grant the waiver and think that the "life threatening" issue would have been raised early on if it was an issue, but that would seem to be only possible grounds to deny. Not to mention that head injuries/concussions are very tricky things and it may have been considered somewhat life threatening.[/quote]

I think its the third requirement that the petition was made - the worsening of her condition. By mentioning 30 doctor visits and 5 ER visits, it appears the narrative is that his mom was getting worse. I'm concerned that the NCAA is all too familiar with concussions, and around NY, fans remember Wayne Chrbet's health odyssey and PAt LaFontaine's permanent bout with mirgraines long after his career was over.

I don't think this is an easy call, especially if her condition has improved since the waiver. However, the transfer was made based on her condition at the time of the waiver, and I don't think the NCAA can possibly penalize Heron because his Mom has gotten better. We will never know the outcome, but if I was a betting man, and I'm not, I'd say we becomes eligible by a narrow margin, with enough discussion about the ramifications of denying the application.[/quote]

Having worked on a NCAA legal/compliance matter once before (thinking it would be a glamorous and "cool" matter to work on), there is nothing cut and dry, or black and white in their rules or guidelines. And the process flat out STINKS. No transparency from the NCAA whatsoever, and no real precedent for people to go off of.
 
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[quote="Chris7" post=295959][quote="Johnny4Life" post=295891][quote="Chris7" post=295753]It’s now my understanding that it’s not looking good for MH’s waiver. Go figure with this bunch.[/quote]

Does someone have Chris7's phone number? I think a fan from another rival school has hacked his account on this board.[/quote]

Ha! Don't kill the messenger. Although, full disclosure, that did not come from anyone at SJU but from someone connected to the conference, not stirring the pot, obviously take everything like this with a grain of salt.[/quote]

Thankfully in terms of your sources, I can't think of a current Big East school that has any in whatsoever with the NCAA. Now if it were coming from one of the schools that never even get slapped on the wrist for a serious transgression, I'd say that was serious info.
 
Didn't someone say early on in the process that we didn't plan on hiring a big name lawyer for this and were planning on making a mom and pop type hire instead? If so that makes me very nervous. What's the timeline again for the decision roughly?
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=296177]Didn't someone say early on in the process that we didn't plan on hiring a big name lawyer for this and were planning on making a mom and pop type hire instead? If so that makes me very nervous. What's the timeline again for the decision roughly?[/quote]

Do you ever stop with the negativity? Every knows that point, everyone’s aware of that. A day after the school does something right with a hire, you decide it’s time to just bitch about something else? Funny thing is, I agree with a lot of what you say sometimes, but you have a clear personal vendetta with someone on the staff. Let it go. Why try to reshash a negative that’s certainly been discussed?

Sound like a constant moaninng and whining bitter ex-girlfriend.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=296177]Didn't someone say early on in the process that we didn't plan on hiring a big name lawyer for this and were planning on making a mom and pop type hire instead? If so that makes me very nervous. What's the timeline again for the decision roughly?[/quote]

Just sensing from tea leaf reading, other comments, and timing for other recent hardship decisions—that Mustapha should hear very soon.
NCJohnnie predicts, Oct. 1. Knowing nothing I predict great news on Oct. 10–my daughter’s B*Day.
We shall see.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=296177]Didn't someone say early on in the process that we didn't plan on hiring a big name lawyer for this and were planning on making a mom and pop type hire instead? If so that makes me very nervous. What's the timeline again for the decision roughly?[/quote]

I heard they reached out to Johnny Cochrane.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=296195][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296177]Didn't someone say early on in the process that we didn't plan on hiring a big name lawyer for this and were planning on making a mom and pop type hire instead? If so that makes me very nervous. What's the timeline again for the decision roughly?[/quote]

I heard they reached out to Johnny Cochrane.[/quote]
Now that’s a long distance call. :)
 
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