Greg St. Jean

[quote="Chicago Days" post=296613]GSJ seems like a great, young, smart, very hard-working coach-in-the-making, still building his college resume.
Let’s root for a string of great seasons for St. John’s, with GSJ an avid under-study, getting his legs under him, as he learns the nitty-gritty and ‘spin’ of recruiting.[/quote]

That's all I was saying. You get it. Thank you.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=296617][quote="Chicago Days" post=296613]GSJ seems like a great, young, smart, very hard-working coach-in-the-making, still building his college resume.
Let’s root for a string of great seasons for St. John’s, with GSJ an avid under-study, getting his legs under him, as he learns the nitty-gritty and ‘spin’ of recruiting.[/quote]

That's all I was saying. You get it. Thank you.[/quote]

Didn’t think I was plagiarizing you Beast. But, I am the master of repetition. So, sorry if it seemed that way.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=296620][quote="Beast of the East" post=296 u7617][quote="Chicago Days" post=296613]GSJ seems like a great, young, smart, very hard-working coach-in-the-making, still building his college resume.
Let’s root for a string of great seasons for St. John’s, with GSJ an avid under-study, getting his legs under him, as he learns the nitty-gritty and ‘spin’ of recruiting.[/quote]

That's all I was saying. You get it. Thank you.[/quote]

Didn’t think I was plagiarizing you Beast. But, I am the master of repetition. So, sorry if it seemed that way.[/quote]

No you weren't whatsoever. Some guys on here take any positive statements about anyone or anything and turn it into an event to vent on the current coaching staff or more accurately just reflect their unhappiness as old retired codgers with nothing to do with their time. This was Intended to be a thread that was positive and reflected on the hard work and basketball smarts of a young assistant coach, nothing more. Yet some of our most senior posters took it as an opportunity to crap on others as well as the current state of our basketball program
 
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We may have a way to go, to ‘prove it’, but I believe that this coming year may be our launchpad.
And I’m all for having bright, young, eager guys on board to learn the trade, OJT style.
Let’s go St. John’s.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=296623]We may have a way to go, to ‘prove it’, but I believe that this coming year may be our launchpad.
And I’m all for having bright, young, eager guys on board to learn the trade, OJT style.
Let’s go St. John’s.[/quote]

You're a great poster and almost always positive.
 
No reason that if we are successful the next few years that GSJ shouldn't be a top candidate to replace Mullin. He has been getting invaluable experience over the last few years. He's not just your average assistant. He's in the huddle drawing up plays. He's standing up shouting where the players should be on the court etc. The guy has a great basketball mind. Has a great relationship with the players. His recruiting needs work. Let me preface this next part by not claiming he's the next Brad Stevens, however if my memory serves, Brad was never a head coach prior to taking over for I think it was Thad Matta.. I'm not sure if Chris Holtmann had an HC gig before his success at Butler. Anyway, my point is that assistant coaches can become successful head coaches without the need to get their feet wet elsewhere. It's not unheard of, it can be done and just because Mahoney wasn't successful 30 years ago and Norm wasn't successful here 10 years ago, doesn't mean you don't ever hire an assistant coach again. On a side note, I think the NR hire was a cheap pick that would clean up the program. I didn't like the hire personally. He was more of a coach known for his recruiting acumen which somehow didn't really translate well while he was HC here. Not Norm bashing. Great guy, just not a great head coach..
 
[quote="rawdognyc" post=296629]No reason that if we are successful the next few years that GSJ shouldn't be a top candidate to replace Mullin. He has been getting invaluable experience over the last few years. He's not just your average assistant. He's in the huddle drawing up plays. He's standing up shouting where the players should be on the court etc. The guy has a great basketball mind. Has a great relationship with the players. His recruiting needs work. Let me preface this next part by not claiming he's the next Brad Stevens, however if my memory serves, Brad was never a head coach prior to taking over for I think it was Thad Matta.. I'm not sure if Chris Holtmann had an HC gig before his success at Butler. Anyway, my point is that assistant coaches can become successful head coaches without the need to get their feet wet elsewhere. It's not unheard of, it can be done and just because Mahoney wasn't successful 30 years ago and Norm wasn't successful here 10 years ago, doesn't mean you don't ever hire an assistant coach again. On a side note, I think the NR hire was a cheap pick that would clean up the program. I didn't like the hire personally. He was more of a coach known for his recruiting acumen which somehow didn't really translate well while he was HC here. Not Norm bashing. Great guy, just not a great head coach..[/quote]

I don’t believe anyone disagrees with what you are saying just that the majority believe that prior to anointing GSJ as the next head coach can we please have a string os seasons where we go every year to a post season tournament and preferably the big dance 3/4 of the time and not the NIT. If we can do that without the 5 star recruits it can only mean that the coaching is good. This would be equivalent to what transpired with the Women’s Team when coach Kim took over a program in the crapper and slowly turned it into a continual post season contender. When she left for Michigan after taking us to the first seeet 16 ever the school had to look no further than Coach Joey T who had been on staff a long time and had worked his way up from a 23 year old grad assistant to the Associate Head Coach.
Again let’s let things play out in the normal course.
 
[quote="redmannorth" post=296631][quote="rawdognyc" post=296629]No reason that if we are successful the next few years that GSJ shouldn't be a top candidate to replace Mullin. He has been getting invaluable experience over the last few years. He's not just your average assistant. He's in the huddle drawing up plays. He's standing up shouting where the players should be on the court etc. The guy has a great basketball mind. Has a great relationship with the players. His recruiting needs work. Let me preface this next part by not claiming he's the next Brad Stevens, however if my memory serves, Brad was never a head coach prior to taking over for I think it was Thad Matta.. I'm not sure if Chris Holtmann had an HC gig before his success at Butler. Anyway, my point is that assistant coaches can become successful head coaches without the need to get their feet wet elsewhere. It's not unheard of, it can be done and just because Mahoney wasn't successful 30 years ago and Norm wasn't successful here 10 years ago, doesn't mean you don't ever hire an assistant coach again. On a side note, I think the NR hire was a cheap pick that would clean up the program. I didn't like the hire personally. He was more of a coach known for his recruiting acumen which somehow didn't really translate well while he was HC here. Not Norm bashing. Great guy, just not a great head coach..[/quote]

I don’t believe anyone disagrees with what you are saying just that the majority believe that prior to anointing GSJ as the next head coach can we please have a string os seasons where we go every year to a post season tournament and preferably the big dance 3/4 of the time and not the NIT. If we can do that without the 5 star recruits it can only mean that the coaching is good. This would be equivalent to what transpired with the Women’s Team when coach Kim took over a program in the crapper and slowly turned it into a continual post season contender. When she left for Michigan after taking us to the first seeet 16 ever the school had to look no further than Coach Joey T who had been on staff a long time and had worked his way up from a 23 year old grad assistant to the Associate Head Coach.
Again let’s let things play out in the normal course.[/quote]
Nice post my friend
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=296632][quote="redmannorth" post=296631][quote="rawdognyc" post=296629]No reason that if we are successful the next few years that GSJ shouldn't be a top candidate to replace Mullin. He has been getting invaluable experience over the last few years. He's not just your average assistant. He's in the huddle drawing up plays. He's standing up shouting where the players should be on the court etc. The guy has a great basketball mind. Has a great relationship with the players. His recruiting needs work. Let me preface this next part by not claiming he's the next Brad Stevens, however if my memory serves, Brad was never a head coach prior to taking over for I think it was Thad Matta.. I'm not sure if Chris Holtmann had an HC gig before his success at Butler. Anyway, my point is that assistant coaches can become successful head coaches without the need to get their feet wet elsewhere. It's not unheard of, it can be done and just because Mahoney wasn't successful 30 years ago and Norm wasn't successful here 10 years ago, doesn't mean you don't ever hire an assistant coach again. On a side note, I think the NR hire was a cheap pick that would clean up the program. I didn't like the hire personally. He was more of a coach known for his recruiting acumen which somehow didn't really translate well while he was HC here. Not Norm bashing. Great guy, just not a great head coach..[/quote]

I don’t believe anyone disagrees with what you are saying just that the majority believe that prior to anointing GSJ as the next head coach can we please have a string os seasons where we go every year to a post season tournament and preferably the big dance 3/4 of the time and not the NIT. If we can do that without the 5 star recruits it can only mean that the coaching is good. This would be equivalent to what transpired with the Women’s Team when coach Kim took over a program in the crapper and slowly turned it into a continual post season contender. When she left for Michigan after taking us to the first seeet 16 ever the school had to look no further than Coach Joey T who had been on staff a long time and had worked his way up from a 23 year old grad assistant to the Associate Head Coach.
Again let’s let things play out in the normal course.[/quote]
Nice post my friend[/quote]

Everyone is basically saying the same thing. He has a lot of positive attributes - if we are successful over next handful of years, presumably he'll have been a big part of that and naturally he could be a candidate for promotion if and when there were to ever come up. One big unknown obviously at this point is his ability to recruit - not sure he's been tasked with too much of that so not necessarily fair to evaluate at this point, but we obviously need to see much more on that front.
 
LJSA, Gary St Jean’s NBA Coaching Record with the Sacramento Kings and briefly , GS Warriors was not good . But, the Kings historically have been one of the worst NBA Teams ever . It’s a long time loser franchise . Poor Ownership, Management . Kind of like the Mets and Jets . Not so sure any Coach would win in Sacramento . Think very many NBA stars who are free agents would play there? The Warrior Team he Coached was when he took over for PJ Carlesimo in 1999 -2000. The Warriors then, were not the Warriors now . Winning at the NBA level is more about having the best Players and getting them to play together . Hence, why the James’s and Durant’s move to better teams with several existing Stars . Gary St Jean had a long NBA career as Coach and Executive .His Son appears to have a long BB career ahead of him , here at St John’s or somewhere else . He’s earning his stripes , and is improving his credentials now .
 
As of today I feel he would be a terrible replacement. In a few years? Who knows. Thread is way too early to form an opinion on this, at least for me.
 
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Do people on here actually read what others write? I mean, not just bits and pieces. Anyone that has talked about GSJ being our head coach in the future also stated that it would be contingent upon have a successful program for years to come. Obviously if we continue to suck you wouldn't want him as the next head coach.. I also don't understand why it's "too early" to have a hypothetical discussion that really isn't that far down the line. I'm sure people here set 5 and 10 year goals in their personal life. They don't say "5 years is too far away to think about"..
 
[quote="rawdognyc" post=296637]Do people on here actually read what others write? I mean, not just bits and pieces. Anyone that has talked about GSJ being our head coach in the future also stated that it would be contingent upon have a successful program for years to come. Obviously if we continue to suck you wouldn't want him as the next head coach.. I also don't understand why it's "too early" to have a hypothetical discussion that really isn't that far down the line. I'm sure people here set 5 and 10 year goals in their personal life. They don't say "5 years is too far away to think about"..[/quote]

Because it would take a string of multiple winning seasons at a bare minimum to start considering this (yes, as you allude to). Further, as of today, the answer would be a very, very obvious no. The way I see it, he hasn't done anything yet to build his resume, aside from being one assistant on an unsuccessful staff. He also made this years OOC's schedule (his first attempt), so that alone tells me I'd need to see if he makes the same mistake again in the future.

It's just a weird hypothetical question to me. What has he done to deserve talk of being HC in the future? I don't believe in handing something off just because you're in a certain position, especially when you haven't been successful as a group or individual yet.
 
[quote="Adam" post=296635]As of today I feel he would be a terrible replacement. In a few years? Who knows. Thread is way too early to form an opinion on this, at least for me.[/quote]

One wonders how so many fail to read then offer a so called opposing opinion. My original thread post, based on the observation of his knowledge, passion and dedication began with "in a perfect world, after a bunch of ncaa as poearramces. When mullin decides to call it quits... " there was no anointing, no proclamation, but one very big IF. Of Course that led to a few of the usual suspects to hop in with negativity. And piling on
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=296648][quote="Adam" post=296635]As of today I feel he would be a terrible replacement. In a few years? Who knows. Thread is way too early to form an opinion on this, at least for me.[/quote]

One wonders how so many fail to read then offer a so called opposing opinion. My original thread post, based on the observation of his knowledge, passion and dedication began with "in a perfect world, after a bunch of ncaa as poearramces. When mullin decides to call it quits... " there was no anointing, no proclamation, but one very big IF. Of Course that led to a few of the usual suspects to hop in with negativity. And piling on[/quote]
You've been hanging out with Zaun too much, very sensitive. ;) :)
 
We fight with each other way too much on this site, seemingly over nothing. Let's enjoy five successful years with Chris & staff and take it from there. Things are looking up from where I'm sitting. As Sir Paul (who debuted with #1 record on Billboard at the fine old age of 76) once said, "life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend".
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=296616]

Some fans know him for a couple of years, keep in touch with him, and don't repeat everything they chat about. Others talk to reporters and think they are our club reporters by repeating things leaked to them. :)[/quote]

So who cares if some fans know him, chat with him blah blah ? Where does that mean they remotely have the skills/ knowledge to select a head coach?
Furthermore, as has been agreed upon this board and elsewhere a thousand times nothing is more important than recruiting and to my knowledge GSJ has yet to bring in a recruit to St. John’s. So until proven otherwise he is lacking the most important skill. Can he develop that skill, I have no clue but I hope he does as it would be a benefit to the program.
Furthermore, if the balance of your post was directed at Paultzman same was very distasteful. He along with JSJ are the most respected posters on this board and their different contributing posts are greatly appreciated by all. Everyone is very thankful for the info Paultzman provides.
Let’s keep this board civil.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=296651]We fight with each other way too much on this site, seemingly over nothing. Let's enjoy five successful years with Chris & staff and take it from there. Things are looking up from where I'm sitting. As Sir Paul (who debuted with #1 record on Billboard at the fine old age of 76) once said, "life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend".[/quote]

Very true, NCJ. This is due to gnarly old fans of a once storied program down on hard times and bordering on irrelevancy, at times.
But I like to think all this will change, once St. John's embarks on winning again, beginning with the 2018-19 Season.
I'm sure we'll find 'something' to argue about...maybe 'how much' we should've won by...?!?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=296648][quote="Adam" post=296635]As of today I feel he would be a terrible replacement. In a few years? Who knows. Thread is way too early to form an opinion on this, at least for me.[/quote]

One wonders how so many fail to read then offer a so called opposing opinion. My original thread post, based on the observation of his knowledge, passion and dedication began with "in a perfect world, after a bunch of ncaa as poearramces. When mullin decides to call it quits... " there was no anointing, no proclamation, but one very big IF. Of Course that led to a few of the usual suspects to hop in with negativity. And piling on[/quote]

Maybe you should reread my post. I said as of today he'd be a "terrible" replacement. Not simply that he wouldn't be deserving/average/etc. Is it possible him and SJU can do enough over the next 3+ years to have him take over? Sure. Anything is possible. He just hasn't done enough to even warrant a thread like this in my opinion.

Don't get your feelings hurt just because I don't have rose colored glasses on all the time like you do. I think my posts have been more than fair throughout my time here. I am not a negative poster nor am I rooting against Mullin. I am just blunt about my feelings and how I view the situation.
 
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