Memory Lane - Daniss Edition

IDRAFT said:
I wasn’t rooting that way as I was a big fan of him but hand straight up. I have been consistently wrong about his ceiling and never learned my lesson.
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My view that I posted at the time was something to the effect that if Julian didn’t make it it wouldn’t be because he didn’t put in 100% effort to maximize his chances.
He may not be a starter for his whole career but he has certainly proven he can play in the league.
 
carmineabbatiello said:
It's impossible for a team's best player to "hurt" his team
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I don't think this is necessarily true. I am on your side but I disagree with the premise you are using.

I understand why some felt Jenkins hurt the team or how a player can hurt their team.

I think what they get wrong is they blame Jenkins for the lack of production of Alleyne, Dingle, etc. - when in my opinion those players failed themselves by consistently missing good looks all season. Jordan Dingle himself admitted in early March of that year that he wasn't the player he knew he could be. Then he ended the season a much better player. It had nothing to do with Daniss, in fact he was one of the top assist men in the Big East with ease.

A lot of shot taking Jenkins did he did out of necessity. Some of the other transfers were not making shots, Soriano (perhaps due to health) went ghost in the thick of Big East play. And even with that... We had 4 players average double figures that season (Jenkins 14.9, Soriano 13.8, Dingle 11.6, Luis Jr 10.9). Even Ledlum nearly joined that group, averaging 9.5. The narratives that get pushed about Daniss on here don't really hold up when you dig into the actual games
 
Jack Williams said:
I don't think this is necessarily true. I am on your side but I disagree with the premise you are using.

I understand why some felt Jenkins hurt the team or how a player can hurt their team.

I think what they get wrong is they blame Jenkins for the lack of production of Alleyne, Dingle, etc. - when in my opinion those players failed themselves by consistently missing good looks all season. Jordan Dingle himself admitted in early March of that year that he wasn't the player he knew he could be. Then he ended the season a much better player. It had nothing to do with Daniss, in fact he was one of the top assist men in the Big East with ease.

A lot of shot taking Jenkins did he did out of necessity. Some of the other transfers were not making shots, Soriano (perhaps due to health) went ghost in the thick of Big East play. And even with that... We had 4 players average double figures that season (Jenkins 14.9, Soriano 13.8, Dingle 11.6, Luis Jr 10.9). Even Ledlum nearly joined that group, averaging 9.5. The narratives that get pushed about Daniss on here don't really hold up when you dig into the actual games
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Carmelo.
 
Jack Williams said:
I don't think this is necessarily true. I am on your side but I disagree with the premise you are using.

I understand why some felt Jenkins hurt the team or how a player can hurt their team.

I think what they get wrong is they blame Jenkins for the lack of production of Alleyne, Dingle, etc. - when in my opinion those players failed themselves by consistently missing good looks all season. Jordan Dingle himself admitted in early March of that year that he wasn't the player he knew he could be. Then he ended the season a much better player. It had nothing to do with Daniss, in fact he was one of the top assist men in the Big East with ease.

A lot of shot taking Jenkins did he did out of necessity. Some of the other transfers were not making shots, Soriano (perhaps due to health) went ghost in the thick of Big East play. And even with that... We had 4 players average double figures that season (Jenkins 14.9, Soriano 13.8, Dingle 11.6, Luis Jr 10.9). Even Ledlum nearly joined that group, averaging 9.5. The narratives that get pushed about Daniss on here don't really hold up when you dig into the actual games
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The sides are: (1) Jenkins played hero ball and it hurt the team and (2) Jenkins played hero ball because he had to

That was the argument. I think that team would have been very good if you switched Jenkins and Kadary. Kadary had this rare ability to let others do their own thing and make people around him better. Nobody was comfortable doing their own thing with Jenkins in the game except Soriano in the first half of the season. RJ was the only one who challenged him. The way he dominated the dribbling is what specifically bothered me. If he got off the ball more and took more shots and drives within the rhythm of the game he would have been one of my favorite players. Instead, EVERTYHING was on his terms. Kadary was the exact opposite. He let you do your thing and helped you do your thing. Jenkins made you do what he wanted...even with his assists.
 
Marillac2 said:
The sides are: (1) Jenkins played hero ball and it hurt the team and (2) Jenkins played hero ball because he had to

That was the argument. I think that team would have been very good if you switched Jenkins and Kadary. Kadary had this rare ability to let others do their own thing and make people around him better. Nobody was comfortable doing their own thing with Jenkins in the game except Soriano in the first half of the season. RJ was the only one who challenged him. The way he dominated the dribbling is what specifically bothered me. If he got off the ball more and took more shots and drives within the rhythm of the game he would have been one of my favorite players. Instead, EVERTYHING was on his terms. Kadary was the exact opposite. He let you do your thing and helped you do your thing. Jenkins made you do what he wanted...even with his assists.
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From January on Daniss was one of the best players in the BE. He shot 39% from 3 in BE play. He averaged 20 and 7 for the year. Last year's team would have been better if you swapped out Daniss for Smith. And '23-'24 squad would have been better off with DJ than Kadary, and that's no knock on Kadary. Kadary was a good point forward, but that team would have had no primary ball handler. Also factor the delta in 3pt shooting. I'll give the nod to the guy playing in the NBA.
 
MattyHoops said:
From January on Daniss was one of the best players in the BE. He shot 39% from 3 in BE play. He averaged 20 and 7 for the year. Last year's team would have been better if you swapped out Daniss for Smith. And '23-'24 squad would have been better off with DJ than Kadary, and that's no knock on Kadary. Kadary was a good point forward, but that team would have had no primary ball handler. Also factor the delta in 3pt shooting. I'll give the nod to the guy playing in the NBA.
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NIT with Jenkins last year. Don’t know why people keep bringing this up.
 
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