ESPN Summer Shootaround and Power Rankings
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Pleasedontbanmeagain
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Well said. I remember watching lots of Creighton games and in the MVC McDermott just totally overpowered them even being unathletic. Even his teammates were head and shoulders above many other MVC teams. McDermott got a ton of second chance points down in the paint thanks to his team's rebounding against inferior opponents. They are more a finesse team that relies on good looks for shots and depends on McDermott having his way in the paint. In the Big East it will only get harder for them.
No glasses Moose. Am I not allowed to critique? I have plenty of critiques of our players too. He's an excellent player and shooter. Love watching him play. I think he'll be hurt by the loss of Echenique quite a bit. I think team's will be more prepared for him now as well. As far as getting drafted, I wouldn't be who sure he's going that high. He's got bad knees and that won't help his draft status.
westchesterjoe
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It's interesting that oftentimes, the "SLOW guys, who can't jump and do highlight dunks," like Bird,Mullin,Havlicek, Cowens,Lucas,Nash,Stockton and, countless others, turn out to be HOF Legends who can play the game.
McDermott will put up numbers this year and disparaging his game might be wishful thinking.. He's very fundamentally sound and that can trump so called athletic talent 6 times out of 7. He can play.. He will know how to get CO into foul trouble and I don't think he will be alarmed at the defense of Sampson, Sanchez or GG.. Until we see this year's defense in action, with significant improvement from last season, speculating about other team's go to players, might be premature.
McDermott will put up numbers this year and disparaging his game might be wishful thinking.. He's very fundamentally sound and that can trump so called athletic talent 6 times out of 7. He can play.. He will know how to get CO into foul trouble and I don't think he will be alarmed at the defense of Sampson, Sanchez or GG.. Until we see this year's defense in action, with significant improvement from last season, speculating about other team's go to players, might be premature.
Exactly so none of us can say until the season plays out Still would go with more athletic and talented wings Would love to . have him .But. when we had Mullin. .great as he was we could not win it all you need a balance of .talent Like Lavins recruiting . It is going to take time to get us to be a top ten team consistently
It is foolish to give more weight to where a team was ranked at the time of the matchup than were they were ranked with a full body of work (with a few narrow exceptions). Wisconsin was a ranked team when the season ended...Miami was a top 10 team. Cal was a tournament team. Wichita State was a f*cking FInal Four Team from Creighton's conference! The MVC is legit. Every single MVC team that played Louisville (four) played them very close. Louisville blew out most of the Big East this seson.
Guess what? Cleanthony Early is as good as any forward in the Big East this year year. I've known this kid since his high school days. He's 6'8, athletic, skilled, and well coached. McDermott matched up with him multiple games this past season.
I think that mny of these writers fail to do their homework and rely on past record. With our 8 - 10 BE record last year not many outsiders would believe us to improve significantly. Many are unaware of the ability of Orlando Sanchez or even frosh Jordan. You would hope they would consider the offensive improvement of Obekpa, Sampson and the maturation of Harrison but that may be expecting too much from them. As posters, we are aware of the potential of this team but if you don't follow this as we do you may not be.
Pleasedontbanmeagain
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How is it foolish? When teams are hot, they are ranked. Wisconsin may have been red hot later in the season, but they weren't at their peak playing Creighton. Miami was not even ranked at all when they lost to Creighton and you forget to admit they were missing a key starter. Why are you making excuses for Creighton? If they are really as good as 98% of this forum and 100% of analysts think, then why do they shy away from real teams so much? Why did they not even face a ranked team until the tourney? To earn my respect they will have to prove they can move from playing mostly bums and a few decent teams to playing mostly very good teams and a few decent teams. It's not being a homer to say the Big East is way above the MVC...it's pure fact. Wichita State played way over its head and after their studs graduate they will go right back to being a NIT/borderline NCAA team. They are not the kind of school that can keep it going. Same with Creighton, and although moving to the Big East helped them increase their exposure and competition, they still need to prove they can sign a major class to replace 3 big time players in Gibbs, Encheque (whatever his name is), and McDermott. It's not crazy to think Creighton will be terrible after this season and perhaps beyond.
Creighton SOS last season: 82
Texas- El Paso SOS last season: 79
St. John's SOS last season: 34
I mean, really? 82? They are not even close...if they can prove to me they can perform just as well with a real major SOS then they will earn my respect. Until then, all they have proven is they can handle cupcakes and beat the occasional good but not great team.
Thank you Gonzalo, I was about to post the same thing when I started reading some of these stupid posts. At least get the facts right. Most of these guys trashing him have never seen him play yet they discount the opinions of All American voters and Draftniks. He probably won't be a lottery pick next year, though he would have been this year with the weak draft. That doesn't mean he's not one of the top 20 college basketball players in the country. He shoots 57% from the field and 49% from 3. If the big bad defenders of the BE drop those figures by 10 points each he's still be the most accomplished 3/4 in the BE. Hilarious.
Pleasedontbanmeagain
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No one including me is saying he sucks. He is a very good player. But all I'm asking is to reserve comparing him to Larry Bird and other NBA legends until we see what he can do against top competition. He has yet to play a tough schedule. All the teams know what he can do by now as well as his tendencies. They know if they shut him down or at least hold him to 10 PPG that Creighton has a terrible shot of winning. For god's sake last year's Creighton team had the 82nd toughest schedule. If we had that rank for SOS we'd be going nuts on this forum saying how pathetic it is. But because it's Creighton everyone on here seems to give them a pass and pretend they are coming from the ACC or Big Ten and already battle-tested. If you want to join the big boys club you have to prove you are one of the big boys and can routinely beat the big boys. Creighton has yet to do such. Just don't be shocked if they finish .500 in conference. If you think the MVC is major college hoops, you are saying that Southern Illinois, Bradley, Drake, Loyola, Evansville, etc. are all major teams. What a joke. Let's see how Creighton responds to their first REAL test this year in the big boys club before crowning them and McDermott as godly.
Pleasedontbanmeagain
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And Wichita State to you is a team that will consistently compete for the Final Four? No doubt they had a great team last year...but what happens when those guys leave? They are not Duke who can simply send guys to the NBA/overseas then reload easily and still compete at that level. You can't take 1 great year a mid major had and assume they are always going to do it. George Mason also made the Final Four...would it really impress you that much if Creighton beat them? What I'm implying is that WSU, George Mason, etc. are simply cinderellas who had their magical seasons. Wichita State is not a major program. Let's see him put up 41 against a top Big East defense. Won't happen. It's funny how all I ask is for Creighton to prove themselves at the major level for 1 season before crowning them, yet people refuse and want to crown them as kings of basketball when all they have proven to be is a very good mid major that relies on 1 player.
IMO what many of you guys are doing is guaranteeing a prospect who tore up the minor leagues is going to tear up the major leagues. But as we all know, there are many busts who simply can't handle the next step up. Why is Creighton excused from this logic?