Dom Pointer

Marillac

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AMaseInYourFace posted this video earlier today. Even though it is a highlight video of Harrison and Jordan, it also shows the problem that Pointer was all year. Honestly, he is so consistent with it, it doesn't matter what video you are looking at. Just look at him in the background. He does the same thing every possession.

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39 second mark - Gtown in a 2-3 zone and there appears to have been some kind of ball reversal judging by Gtowns (over)positioning (my guess Sanches in the corner passed to Dom on the near wing). Dom quickly swings it over to a wide open Jordan at the top of the key. Gtown is in HORRIBLE position and Jordan probably should have given it up to a wide open Harrison on the other wing...regardless, Dom's man, who is already 7-8 feet off him, rotates over to closeout on Jordan. Jordan takes the pass in rhythm and steps into a three-pointer the whole arena knows is coming. Notice Sanchez, a guy who plays like a 50 year old with ankle weights, behind the three point line in the corner and taking off to get the rebound before the shot even leaves Jordan's hand. Sanchez actually gets to the basket and is in position to box out the Gtown player for the rebound. What about Dom? He stands still and then starts walking backwards with the shot, despite Gtown being in a 2-3 which is susceptible to backside run-ins on rebounds, despite the fact that the only man within 15 feet of him has his back to him and is closing out on Jordan, despite the fact that Gtown left him a wide open lane, and despite the fact that Jordan misses 3/4's of his treys.



59 second mark - Same thing every time with this kid. Gtown in a zone not even paying attention to Pointer. Shot goes up from three, the whole Gtown defense opens a lane for Pointer to drive a truck through, but he starts backpeddling with the shot and is 10-12 feet behind the NBA line by the time the shot gets to the rim. Notice every other St. John's player besides the shooter had their knees bent and were leaning towards the basket ready to take an angle if a lane opened. Pointer? Standing straight up at the NBA line without a thought of going for a rebound.



1:03 mark - Pointer not in the game thankfully, but watch how it's done. Obekpa sets a screen (close to a moving screen, but it wasn't called) to slow down the guard rotating in the 2-3. Gtown leaves a slight lane for Obekpa, and he takes off with the shot.

1:04 mark- Pointer passes out of the midpost post to a wide open Harrison at the top of the key. Okay, he's actually off the perimeter now, maybe he's actually going to try for a rebound, right? Wrong. Gtown still in a 2-3, his man stands straight up and stares at Harrison taking the shot from 20 feet away. Anyone that has ever played basketball knows when someone stands straight up like that they are toast. Dom could have fought his way inside or could have swam over him and been all alone in perfect position for a miss. What does he do? He starts to backpedal as Harrison releases it. Obekpa, who is on the three point line with the shot, sees the angle and sprints to split two Gtown defenders (same guy that Dom was too lazy to attempt to outposition) with lazy boxouts, and gets in position for a monster putback if it was missed. From when the shot went up and when it went through, they essentially switched positions. Also worth noting, every other player on the floor, including Jordan, our POINT GUARD, is moving towards the hoop with the shot.

1:08 mark - Pointer, again, is standing behind three point line--you know just in case he can get an open look with his awesome 15% three-point shooting %. Jordan has a ridiculous mismatch with a Gtown big in the 2-3 (not sure how the dude got stuck out there) and take a long drive from the NBA line. The closest defender to him is about eight feet away and runs to body Sanchez on the low block same side. Pointer is open to do whatever he wants with a miss. Instead he shuffles his feet around the perimeter.

Does the staff even watch video? How is this allowed to happen. Those were the plays with Dom on the floor on the video. Watch how everyone was getting by Gtown with ease. Watch how awful their zone, rotations, and effort were. Gtown didn't care.
 
Assuming I accept everything you write , and by the way I am not disputing anything you write, I ask the question whose fault is it that Pointer is not in proper position ?
You are not asking him to improve his handle, his shot, his free throw shooting , his athletic ability, but merely where he should be on the floor. Does not seem that difficult to me.
 
do you think, regardless of the players on the floor, they always play a 3 guard lineup? It seems that in the clips, that only 2 players (combo of Sampson/Obekpa/Sanchez) crash the offensive boards. Do you think they are taught to have 3 guys back at all times? To north's point that it might not be pointer rather what he's being told to do? IDK.
 
And why are we bringing this up now? A month before the season starts....


It was a response towards the video that was put up yesterday on here. Hoping to see some improvement from Dom this year. I don't think I'm crazy for thinking he will improve, I actually believe he's going to have a good year.
 
We all know Dom has incredible athleticism and to my knowledge has never complained or caused any problems in the three years he has been here, except being a little too aggressive on the court a few times. If he is doing something he is not supposed to be doing and I agree if he crashed the boards that would help the team, it is on the coaches. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Dom wouldn't listen to the coaches for the betterment of the team. He has been here for three years with a coaching staff that has done nothing to improve his game and he has still given max effort. I would take a Dom Pointer on my team over many of the others that have worn the uniform under Lavin after Norm's recruits graduated.
 
Wow, all that analysis from an 80 second highlight film. Methinks you have too much time on your hands or an obsessive hatred of all things Pointer. Does it carry over to the Pointer Sisters and hunting dogs?
 
Wow, all that analysis from an 80 second highlight film. Methinks you have too much time on your hands or an obsessive hatred of all things Pointer. Does it carry over to the Pointer Sisters and hunting dogs?

It's any video with Pointer in it. It's not trivial either. He killed this team last year. Nobody defends him out there and he doesn't make them pay for it by crashing the glass. If that doesn't change, we are toast.
 
Wow, all that analysis from an 80 second highlight film. Methinks you have too much time on your hands or an obsessive hatred of all things Pointer. Does it carry over to the Pointer Sisters and hunting dogs?

It's any video with Pointer in it. It's not trivial either. He killed this team last year. Nobody defends him out there and he doesn't make them pay for it by crashing the glass. If that doesn't change, we are toast.

Sorry, but with all due respect, nonsense. By and large, Pointer played poorly as did almost every player on our team. We did not lose because Dom Pointer did not crash the offensive boards. Contributing much more to our disappointing season was the fact that NO ONE on our team committed to hitting the boards, as no one really fought for loose balls or dug in on D or shared the ball or just plain played winning team basketball. I have been a basketball junkie for 50+ years and have yet to see the team that was killed because a 6'5" player didn't hit the offensive boards. On the flip side, maybe someone could put together a highlight film of Obekpa's offensive rebounds; I don't believe that film would be nearly 1:22. One last thing; you are sure in all your video analysis that there is no chance Pointer's job was to maintain floor balance by NOT crashing the boards? I am not saying this would have necessarily been a sound strategy but just trying to make a point that we are not in practice and therefore have NO IDEA what a players responsibility is depending on their court position when the shot goes up.
 
Precisely. Someone is assigned the task of getting back to defend the outlet pass. It may have been Dom when he's on the floor.
 
Assuming I accept everything you write , and by the way I am not disputing anything you write, I ask the question whose fault is it that Pointer is not in proper position ?
You are not asking him to improve his handle, his shot, his free throw shooting , his athletic ability, but merely where he should be on the floor. Does not seem that difficult to me.

Well then that makes it worse, doesn't it?
 
Precisely. Someone is assigned the task of getting back to defend the outlet pass. It may have been Dom when he's on the floor.

Maybe, but then my question would be why even have dom cross half court on offense? :p
 
Precisely. Someone is assigned the task of getting back to defend the outlet pass. It may have been Dom when he's on the floor.

I don't buy this. You don't just assign someone to get back on defense...every offensive set is different. Generally the guards are in the best position to get back because they play on the perimeter, but guards take shots and the drive all the time. It then becomes the responsibility of someone else to recognize this and get back.

Besides, everyone else follows the ball. When Dom is not in the game, there is nobody that just stands there like him.
 
I guess if by "interesting" the draft express guy means "can play SF," you may be put out of your misery.
 
I guess if by "interesting" the draft express guy means "can play SF," you may be put out of your misery.

Not Marillac's type of SF--not in college anyway. I just want a kid like Lavor Postell...slash, crash the glass relentlessly, play tough, hard-nosed D, be a menace in transition, and shoot 33% or higher on open looks from three. Any type of handle or ability to create off the bounce is a bonus.
 
Wow, all that analysis from an 80 second highlight film. Methinks you have too much time on your hands or an obsessive hatred of all things Pointer. Does it carry over to the Pointer Sisters and hunting dogs?

It's any video with Pointer in it. It's not trivial either. He killed this team last year. Nobody defends him out there and he doesn't make them pay for it by crashing the glass. If that doesn't change, we are toast.

Sorry, but with all due respect, nonsense. By and large, Pointer played poorly as did almost every player on our team. We did not lose because Dom Pointer did not crash the offensive boards. Contributing much more to our disappointing season was the fact that NO ONE on our team committed to hitting the boards, as no one really fought for loose balls or dug in on D or shared the ball or just plain played winning team basketball. I have been a basketball junkie for 50+ years and have yet to see the team that was killed because a 6'5" player didn't hit the offensive boards. On the flip side, maybe someone could put together a highlight film of Obekpa's offensive rebounds; I don't believe that film would be nearly 1:22. One last thing; you are sure in all your video analysis that there is no chance Pointer's job was to maintain floor balance by NOT crashing the boards? I am not saying this would have necessarily been a sound strategy but just trying to make a point that we are not in practice and therefore have NO IDEA what a players responsibility is depending on their court position when the shot goes up.



Agree 100%. With Sampson, Obepka and Sanchez in the game it behooves Pointer to fall back on defense. Let's face it Dom didn't get a scholarship because he was an out of sight shooter. I always pictured him scoring off rebounds and fast breaks in high school. Why would he not want to rebound offensively? It makes sense he was told to fall back.
 
Wow, all that analysis from an 80 second highlight film. Methinks you have too much time on your hands or an obsessive hatred of all things Pointer. Does it carry over to the Pointer Sisters and hunting dogs?

It's any video with Pointer in it. It's not trivial either. He killed this team last year. Nobody defends him out there and he doesn't make them pay for it by crashing the glass. If that doesn't change, we are toast.

Sorry, but with all due respect, nonsense. By and large, Pointer played poorly as did almost every player on our team. We did not lose because Dom Pointer did not crash the offensive boards. Contributing much more to our disappointing season was the fact that NO ONE on our team committed to hitting the boards, as no one really fought for loose balls or dug in on D or shared the ball or just plain played winning team basketball. I have been a basketball junkie for 50+ years and have yet to see the team that was killed because a 6'5" player didn't hit the offensive boards. On the flip side, maybe someone could put together a highlight film of Obekpa's offensive rebounds; I don't believe that film would be nearly 1:22. One last thing; you are sure in all your video analysis that there is no chance Pointer's job was to maintain floor balance by NOT crashing the boards? I am not saying this would have necessarily been a sound strategy but just trying to make a point that we are not in practice and therefore have NO IDEA what a players responsibility is depending on their court position when the shot goes up.



Agree 100%. With Sampson, Obepka and Sanchez in the game it behooves Pointer to fall back on defense. Let's face it Dom didn't get a scholarship because he was an out of sight shooter. I always pictured him scoring off rebounds and fast breaks in high school. Why would he not want to rebound offensively? It makes sense he was told to fall back.

We had an anemic offense and were badly out-rebounded on a frequent basis. Do you guys really think the coach would keep his third tallest player on the court--a FORWARD who can't shoot--and have his sit on the perimeter so he can get back on defense as a safety? That is just silly. Nobody did that on the 2011 tournament team. DJ Kennedy, Paris Horne, and Justin Brownlee all battled for rebounds. Heck, those guys were our best rebounders.

I think this is him not understanding his role and the staff perpetuating it with this costco point-forward nonsense. Pointer playing point-forward and Greene playing point take away from how ood this team could be. Dom is a capable rebounder when he has his mind set on it. I really hope the staff and the players understand their strengths and weaknesses better this season. We are talking about top 40 talent here.
 
Not so silly. Dom is quicker and more athletic than Dlo and had more experience than Sheed. Also, since Dom wasn't a threat when he was playing on the perimeter, he was the best option to leak out early on a missed shot. The 2010 team may not have had the same person assigned to that role but I can assure you that on every possession, someone had the job of getting back on D. I can't say that I paid too mych, if any, attention to that back then but I woul guess that DJ and Paris, depending on where they were on the court when the shot went up, had that task.

Again, this entire thread is based on a minute and a half clip---and your word that Dom did the exact thing on every shot attempt.
 
Not so silly. Dom is quicker and more athletic than Dlo and had more experience than Sheed. Also, since Dom wasn't a threat when he was playing on the perimeter, he was the best option to leak out early on a missed shot. The 2010 team may not have had the same person assigned to that role but I can assure you that on every possession, someone had the job of getting back on D. I can't say that I paid too mych, if any, attention to that back then but I woul guess that DJ and Paris, depending on where they were on the court when the shot went up, had that task.

Again, this entire thread is based on a minute and a half clip---and your word that Dom did the exact thing on every shot attept.

Nobody does that. You don't just assign one guy. First, there are different offenses for different defenses. Second, every set is different. Dom could be shooting or caught under the basket or in some kind of other motion when the shot goes up.

Also, I've posted multiple videos of Dom doing the same thing...not just this one. Find any video, and he'll be doing just that.

Final point, we were beaten back to the other side of the court routinely the past two seasons.
 
I didn't say that you assign one guy in every situation. What I said was that when Dom was on the perimeter, he would have been the best option because he was never the guy taking the shot. Obviously, if he was on the baseline, he would not be the guy.
 
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