Y2 is obviously as connected to sju hoops grapevine as anyone.
Too Watkins
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Dingle/Ledlum court case
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I have been reluctant to say too much during this free agency period as I am just waiting to see what our final roster is. That said I think it's ridiculous that Dingle and Ledlum are being denied the same COVID year that everyone else received because they chose to stay at their Ivy League schools instead of transferring. Such hypocrisy.
Mullins Revenge
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Good. Lets move on and get better players.
St. John’s unlikely to get Chris Ledlum, Jordan Dingle back after court ruling
The former Ivy League players, who transferred into the program last offseason and were starters most of the year, are suing the NCAA for an extra year of eligibility.
nypost.com
Rothstein's tweet was wrong, it's about the court.
Let me just say I love both of them and if they could I would love to have seen both suit up again. Both were tremendous representatives of the school and the program.
Having said that this was always a long shot. Sorry even with litigation. Remember the multi-transfer court case that allowed for undergrads multi- to be immediately eligible even if they were transferring for the 2nd or more times was based on the waiver process. The NCAA had set themselves up for this lawsuit by first allowing a waiver process and then seemingly arbitrarily giving or denying them. And delaying decisions on this.
The COVID year rule was straightforward. You don't get that free year to use any time you want. You use it that year 20-21 or you simply get the normal 4 years of eligibility. They never gave exceptions on that including as I said earlier with Jim Boeheim's son.
Having said that this was always a long shot. Sorry even with litigation. Remember the multi-transfer court case that allowed for undergrads multi- to be immediately eligible even if they were transferring for the 2nd or more times was based on the waiver process. The NCAA had set themselves up for this lawsuit by first allowing a waiver process and then seemingly arbitrarily giving or denying them. And delaying decisions on this.
The COVID year rule was straightforward. You don't get that free year to use any time you want. You use it that year 20-21 or you simply get the normal 4 years of eligibility. They never gave exceptions on that including as I said earlier with Jim Boeheim's son.
Mullins Revenge
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I dont get it. Love both? One was terrible for 3/4ths of the season and the other is way to slow and not athletic enough if we want to be a top team.
We have pitino. Finishing 5th in the big east isnt good enough anymore.
These 2 were a big part of a team that did not get it done.
Use the last scholly on a player who will get it done!!!!!!!!!!!
Silly Donovan
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With all the mess the NCAA is in from not monitoring the NIL crap, they choose this case to dig their heels in on? Unreal
guinness77
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Holy crap. We get it.
SJU2000alum15
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I think Mullins revenge represented Dingle/Ledlum that’s why they lost he told the judge they aren’t studs!
Boomer Esiason, a huge Ranger fan for life, swears the NHL Officials have a Screw-The-Rangers, Red Button in League Offices in Toronto.
I believe the NCAA has a Screw-The-Big East/StJ, Red Button in Indianapolis.
As an attorney I thought their case was pretty compelling for the reason JohnnyFan stated, they were denied Year 5 because of a decision by their conference versus everyone else. Seems arbitrary and capricious to me.
I believe the NCAA has a Screw-The-Big East/StJ, Red Button in Indianapolis.
As an attorney I thought their case was pretty compelling for the reason JohnnyFan stated, they were denied Year 5 because of a decision by their conference versus everyone else. Seems arbitrary and capricious to me.
Redenbacher
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I am not surprised at all about the NCAA's position. I posted this a while ago...a female basketball player who transferred from Princeton to UNC was denied the exact same waiver as Dingle and Ledlum were seeking. No way were they going to go deny a female and then do a complete 180 for Dingle/Ledlum. She/UNC didn't take that case to court. Maybe they didn't think they had a chance.
NCAA Denies Carlie Littlefield's Waiver Appeal, UNC Loses Starting Point Guard - Chapelboro.com
In her lone season with UNC, Littlefield averaged 8.8 points per game while starting all 32 contests at point guard.
chapelboro.com
The UNC women’s basketball program got some unfortunate news Wednesday, as head coach Courtney Banghart revealed the NCAA and Ivy League had denied starting point guard Carlie Littlefield’s waiver request (along with those of other Ivy League transfers) for an extra season of eligibility. Because of the decision, Littlefield’s college career is over. She spent three seasons at Princeton before playing for Carolina this past season.
Redenbacher
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See my post above. Not arbitrary at all, NCAA denied a UNC women's player as well.Boomer Esiason, a huge Ranger fan for life, swears the NHL Officials have a Screw-The-Rangers, Red Button in League Offices in Toronto.
I believe the NCAA has a Screw-The-Big East/StJ, Red Button in Indianapolis.
As an attorney I thought their case was pretty compelling for the reason JohnnyFan stated, they were denied Year 5 because of a decision by their conference versus everyone else. Seems arbitrary and capricious to me.
I am not surprised at all about the NCAA's position. I posted this a while ago...a female basketball player who transferred from Princeton to UNC was denied the exact same waiver as Dingle and Ledlum were seeking. No way were they going to go deny a female and then do a complete 180 for Dingle/Ledlum. She/UNC didn't take that case to court. Maybe they didn't think they had a chance.
NCAA Denies Carlie Littlefield's Waiver Appeal, UNC Loses Starting Point Guard - Chapelboro.com
In her lone season with UNC, Littlefield averaged 8.8 points per game while starting all 32 contests at point guard.
The UNC women’s basketball program got some unfortunate news Wednesday, as head coach Courtney Banghart revealed the NCAA and Ivy League had denied starting point guard Carlie Littlefield’s waiver request (along with those of other Ivy League transfers) for an extra season of eligibility. Because of the decision, Littlefield’s college career is over. She spent three seasons at Princeton before playing for Carolina this past season.
Well....I am not surprised about the NCAA's position either. I am surprised about the court ruling.
The NCAA can say that one year "didn't count" all they want, but kids who played accrued a year of experience playing D-I basketball. While everyone agrees on the value of upperclassmen, how is that not a benefit that was denied Ivy League student-athletes. Just ridiculous.
NCAA denied another year of eligibility for both of them over a month ago. If he means the Court has denied it, he needs to go back and correct his “breaking news.”
This is not the only case they dug their heels in and is not even the most ridiculous one (the one where they denied immediate eligibility to a football player who transferred prior to them making the instant eligibility more stringent comes to mind) but this is one that they actually won, bucking a trend.