Delaware St., Tues. Nov. 29, 6:30pm, FS2/970AM

What an awful performance. Seems like when never just get an easy bucket. We create no turnovers so no easy transition baskets. Our front line can't even grab a rebound they are in either poor position or it simply they can't handle it falls or deflects out their hands. Not too mention they can't finish around the hoop.

The ball moved tonight but only around the perimeter 36 3pta ZERO FTs in the second half. That's an amazing stat!! How does that happen??

At least last years team played hard for 40. This team sleep walks & then looks shocked when they are down double digits.


Mullin Needs to shake things up. A new assistant addition maybe? I'm putting this on the staff. We do need more talent but effort and defensive fundamentals are inexcusable.
 
front court a disaster, why were the sima Yawke not hitting the gym over the summer they are toothpicks, we need muscle and heart in the paint bring back Lamont Middleton and Charles Minlend
 
Right after the game, I got a call from a friend that was an assistant coach years ago at several junior colleges. He didn't criticize the coaching staff, or blame the loss on the failure to make adjustments at halftime, or the starting lineup, or the team taking too many threes. He is not a SJU fan, so has no bias. He offered his analysis with these 5 words:
"St. John's needs better players".
And, in the end, the game is often as simple as that. The team with the better players wins.
that s BS . None of their players were even considered by SJU. Our player were so much more highly ranked coming out of HS than theirs. We have much better talent relative to them. Del St. was so bad that they had no div 1 wins. Nevertheless, we lost. Looked horrible. If the ship doesn't right itself we are going to loose out on future recruits. I am not optimistic about the ship righting itself, We had no inside game at all, despite the size advantage.

You just highlighted my worst fear. The Big selling point with Mullin and Richmond was "get coached by two Hall of Famers". That message is quickly fading and opposing recruiters will be feeding off these types of losses like vultures on a wounded animal. The lineup change also shows something is brewing and perhaps that is why the team is not percolating to our tastes.
 
What an awful performance. Seems like when never just get an easy bucket. We create no turnovers so no easy transition baskets. Our front line can't even grab a rebound they are in either poor position or it simply they can't handle it falls or deflects out their hands. Not too mention they can't finish around the hoop.

The ball moved tonight but only around the perimeter 36 3pta ZERO FTs in the second half. That's an amazing stat!! How does that happen??

At least last years team played hard for 40. This team sleep walks & then looks shocked when they are down double digits.


Mullin Needs to shake things up. A new assistant addition maybe? I'm putting this on the staff. We do need more talent but effort and defensive fundamentals are inexcusable.

The only quick fix for this team is for Mullin to put on an Alibegoivc mask, Richmond a Bashir Ahmed mask, and play for 40 minutes each. Or bring back the 2003-2003 Redmen team and show this team what mental and physical toughness is all about.
 
There have been some who say we should have hired Mike Rice as an assistant. Problem is this team may need the old Mike Rice to get them going. :dry:

I'd settle for Pecora right now.

If this losing trend continues the Maven and Hit the Gym Slob may agree with you!
The Maven may even turn a blind eye to Pecora's cummara.
 
Two of my 5 "All-Heart" Team starters (since 1985, when I started following program)

PG Jason Buchanan
SG Lavor Postell
SF. Charles Minlend
PF. Lamont Middleton
C. Mitchell Foster

Average to Above Average Talent....100% guts
 
Two of my 5 "All-Heart" Team starters (since 1985, when I started following program)

PG Jason Buchanan
SG Lavor Postell
SF. Charles Minlend
PF. Lamont Middleton
C. Mitchell Foster

Average to Above Average Talent....100% guts

My mind draws a blank whenever I reach for his name. Terrible knees, small forward, NY guy. Grabbed a rebound when we were up 8 against Duke mid second half in the NCAA tourney, got fouled and stripped, but no foul called. Then got called for a technical, and Duke somehow ended up with about 6 free throws, and ended up beating us. Help please. I remember Duke had Abdelnaby that season.
 
Billy Singleton...he could be my 6th man on "All Heart" team.
Incredible High School (Stephenson HS, I believe) talent before the knee injuries. Ironically, could jump out of the gym. Completely had to change his game. He was a warrior.
 
Billy Singleton...he could be my 6th man on "All Heart" team.
Incredible High School (Stephenson HS, I believe) talent before the knee injuries. Ironically, could jump out of the gym. Completely had to change his game. He was a warrior.

Thanks. That's the guy. Never knew he was a leaper before his knees went. That Duke game was like the loss to Depaul when they had Dallys Comegys. We got jobbed, plain and simple. Now, we just beat ourselves.
 
We can talk and talk until we're blue in the face. The fact is Mullin can't coach. Period. He had no experience doing so in the past and lo and behold, he looks completely out of his element. I don't care if he's a "basketball junkie", it's become painfully obvious he has no clue what he's doing out there. And instead of admitting that fact and surrounding himself with experienced people, he decided to go with a good, young recruiter (Matt A.), a coaches son (St. Jean), and his good friend who also has no coaching experience (Richmond). Should we really be surprised that the team looks unprepared and unmotivated each game?

Our school is incapable of fixing this situation. They had a chance 2 years ago to do it right, but they went for the name hire instead of the right hire. And the results are unfolding before our very eyes. Pathetic and said how irrelevant this program really is.
 
front court a disaster, why were the sima Yawke not hitting the gym over the summer they are toothpicks, we need muscle and heart in the paint bring back Lamont Middleton and Charles Minlend

Scary part is Sima and Yakwe look most improved in strength, but still undersized and could have done better.

Owens is a different story. His body type is a challenge.

We have bigger concerns, bit I do also question the Strength & Conditioning staff and who ever is monitoring their meal plan cards.
 
We can talk and talk until we're blue in the face. The fact is Mullin can't coach. Period. He had no experience doing so in the past and lo and behold, he looks completely out of his element. I don't care if he's a "basketball junkie", it's become painfully obvious he has no clue what he's doing out there. And instead of admitting that fact and surrounding himself with experienced people, he decided to go with a good, young recruiter (Matt A.), a coaches son (St. Jean), and his good friend who also has no coaching experience (Richmond). Should we really be surprised that the team looks unprepared and unmotivated each game?

Our school is incapable of fixing this situation. They had a chance 2 years ago to do it right, but they went for the name hire instead of the right hire. And the results are unfolding before our very eyes. Pathetic and said how irrelevant this program really is.

Well said. Couldn't agree more. My friends don't even make fun of my anymore because it's too easy. We are a joke and an irrelevant program.
 
So many things last night but this started with the nonsense lineup and rotation in the first five minutes. If you don’t approach every game with winning as the unequivocal objective that’s how you get beat in D1, and the Staff set a tone last night that we were trying to win and accomplish something else (whatever it was) at the same time. Completely unacceptable.

One of the announcer’s called us out on this, when Del. St. stretched it to 13 a few minutes into the 2nd half he said SJU’s mistake was letting Del. St. get comfortable early in the game. Couldn’t be more spot on. You secure the game in however many minutes it takes you to secure it, and then you accomplish whatever else it is you are trying to. It’s unfathomable that a team that just lost 4 in a row could even contemplate messing this up but our inexperienced staff did just that, and frankly this analysis has little to do with the loss – would be equally concerning even if we had managed to win the game.

This is a team without a sense of direction right now, an issue under previous regimes I had hoped this staff had moved past. 4 different starting lineups in 7 games. Freduenberg barely played the last 4 games and is first man off the bench last night. Alibegovic, who either didn’t or barely played in the Bahamas, checks into essentially a tie game with about 9 minutes to go in the first half last night, promptly launches a 3 and was out there for most of a Del. St. 9-0 run. When we were trying to stage the comeback in the 2nd half Ellison/Freudenberg/Sima were out there with Lovett/Ponds. At this particular point that trio might have to be the only available players left in a given game for me to have them out there together, even with Lovett/Ponds.

Perhaps some, but not all can be explained by a Staff trying to find combinations that work. At least some is a staff without clear plan for this team. Players far from blameless but that uncertainty from the top can and often does have a trickle down effect.

In what clearly looks like it is going to be another trying season, at an absolute minimum, one of the positives that has to come out of it is that this is a place elite players can come to thrive. Whatever is going on with Marcus Lovett not starting 2 of the first 7 games does not help achieve that objective. Don’t have any details regarding the rationale, but justified or not it needs to be resolved. That’s part of program management. A player that good starting and playing almost big minutes every night on a roster like this one should be an all-time layup, and if that can’t happen for one reason or another that’s concerning.

Conversation about talent is interesting. Clearly we have a lot more than Del. St., but if you take away Lovett/Ponds/Ahmed, how comfortable are people that we do? Probably still do, but if the question can even be asked relative to Del. St. who cares what the answer is, because we know what that likely means relative to most of the rest of the schedule (and teams in the country). So, with all respect to the current group, many of whom came here at a time when it wasn’t easy to do so, I hope Paultz, Happy, etc. will advise that we are still actively pursuing 16-17 beyond Simon/Clark/Brown (who I am more confident than ever will be in our top 6 players next year). High school, JUCO, and hopefully especially prospective 5th year seniors who can help right away.

Because the interesting part here is that the 3 guys likely to improve the most on the current roster are the 3 guys already helping us the most. You can probably add Yawke and Freudenberg in a second group due to youth and upside. Not to irrationally say after a loss that guys like Sima can’t give solid role contributions the next two years. But you don’t advance the program to the level I think we are trying to by relying on solid role contributions. We need more players like Lovett/Ponds/Ahmed, and with the way things have been going we should probably aspire to acquiring 20% more talent than we think we need. I’ll be the first to admit I thought we’d be set next year, and as much as I think the 3 current projected newcomers will help I’m no longer sure that will be enough.
 
So many things last night but this started with the nonsense lineup and rotation in the first five minutes. If you don’t approach every game with winning as the unequivocal objective that’s how you get beat in D1, and the Staff set a tone last night that we were trying to win and accomplish something else (whatever it was) at the same time. Completely unacceptable.

One of the announcer’s called us out on this, when Del. St. stretched it to 13 a few minutes into the 2nd half he said SJU’s mistake was letting Del. St. get comfortable early in the game. Couldn’t be more spot on. You secure the game in however many minutes it takes you to secure it, and then you accomplish whatever else it is you are trying to. It’s unfathomable that a team that just lost 4 in a row could even contemplate messing this up but our inexperienced staff did just that, and frankly this analysis has little to do with the loss – would be equally concerning even if we had managed to win the game.

This is a team without a sense of direction right now, an issue under previous regimes I had hoped this staff had moved past. 4 different starting lineups in 7 games. Freduenberg barely played the last 4 games and is first man off the bench last night. Alibegovic, who either didn’t or barely played in the Bahamas, checks into essentially a tie game with about 9 minutes to go in the first half last night, promptly launches a 3 and was out there for most of a Del. St. 9-0 run. When we were trying to stage the comeback in the 2nd half Ellison/Freudenberg/Sima were out there with Lovett/Ponds. At this particular point that trio might have to be the only available players left in a given game for me to have them out there together, even with Lovett/Ponds.

Perhaps some, but not all can be explained by a Staff trying to find combinations that work. At least some is a staff without clear plan for this team. Players far from blameless but that uncertainty from the top can and often does have a trickle down effect.

In what clearly looks like it is going to be another trying season, at an absolute minimum, one of the positives that has to come out of it is that this is a place elite players can come to thrive. Whatever is going on with Marcus Lovett not starting 2 of the first 7 games does not help achieve that objective. Don’t have any details regarding the rationale, but justified or not it needs to be resolved. That’s part of program management. A player that good starting and playing almost big minutes every night on a roster like this one should be an all-time layup, and if that can’t happen for one reason or another that’s concerning.

Conversation about talent is interesting. Clearly we have a lot more than Del. St., but if you take away Lovett/Ponds/Ahmed, how comfortable are people that we do? Probably still do, but if the question can even be asked relative to Del. St. who cares what the answer is, because we know what that likely means relative to most of the rest of the schedule (and teams in the country). So, with all respect to the current group, many of whom came here at a time when it wasn’t easy to do so, I hope Paultz, Happy, etc. will advise that we are still actively pursuing 16-17 beyond Simon/Clark/Brown (who I am more confident than ever will be in our top 6 players next year). High school, JUCO, and hopefully especially prospective 5th year seniors who can help right away.

Because the interesting part here is that the 3 guys likely to improve the most on the current roster are the 3 guys already helping us the most. You can probably add Yawke and Freudenberg in a second group due to youth and upside. Not to irrationally say after a loss that guys like Sima can’t give solid role contributions the next two years. But you don’t advance the program to the level I think we are trying to by relying on solid role contributions. We need more players like Lovett/Ponds/Ahmed, and with the way things have been going we should probably aspire to acquiring 20% more talent than we think we need. I’ll be the first to admit I thought we’d be set next year, and as much as I think the 3 current projected newcomers will help I’m no longer sure that will be enough.

LoVett not starting for second time, just staff mixing it up or something that merits attention?
 
So many things last night but this started with the nonsense lineup and rotation in the first five minutes. If you don’t approach every game with winning as the unequivocal objective that’s how you get beat in D1, and the Staff set a tone last night that we were trying to win and accomplish something else (whatever it was) at the same time. Completely unacceptable.

One of the announcer’s called us out on this, when Del. St. stretched it to 13 a few minutes into the 2nd half he said SJU’s mistake was letting Del. St. get comfortable early in the game. Couldn’t be more spot on. You secure the game in however many minutes it takes you to secure it, and then you accomplish whatever else it is you are trying to. It’s unfathomable that a team that just lost 4 in a row could even contemplate messing this up but our inexperienced staff did just that, and frankly this analysis has little to do with the loss – would be equally concerning even if we had managed to win the game.

This is a team without a sense of direction right now, an issue under previous regimes I had hoped this staff had moved past. 4 different starting lineups in 7 games. Freduenberg barely played the last 4 games and is first man off the bench last night. Alibegovic, who either didn’t or barely played in the Bahamas, checks into essentially a tie game with about 9 minutes to go in the first half last night, promptly launches a 3 and was out there for most of a Del. St. 9-0 run. When we were trying to stage the comeback in the 2nd half Ellison/Freudenberg/Sima were out there with Lovett/Ponds. At this particular point that trio might have to be the only available players left in a given game for me to have them out there together, even with Lovett/Ponds.

Perhaps some, but not all can be explained by a Staff trying to find combinations that work. At least some is a staff without clear plan for this team. Players far from blameless but that uncertainty from the top can and often does have a trickle down effect.

In what clearly looks like it is going to be another trying season, at an absolute minimum, one of the positives that has to come out of it is that this is a place elite players can come to thrive. Whatever is going on with Marcus Lovett not starting 2 of the first 7 games does not help achieve that objective. Don’t have any details regarding the rationale, but justified or not it needs to be resolved. That’s part of program management. A player that good starting and playing almost big minutes every night on a roster like this one should be an all-time layup, and if that can’t happen for one reason or another that’s concerning.

Conversation about talent is interesting. Clearly we have a lot more than Del. St., but if you take away Lovett/Ponds/Ahmed, how comfortable are people that we do? Probably still do, but if the question can even be asked relative to Del. St. who cares what the answer is, because we know what that likely means relative to most of the rest of the schedule (and teams in the country). So, with all respect to the current group, many of whom came here at a time when it wasn’t easy to do so, I hope Paultz, Happy, etc. will advise that we are still actively pursuing 16-17 beyond Simon/Clark/Brown (who I am more confident than ever will be in our top 6 players next year). High school, JUCO, and hopefully especially prospective 5th year seniors who can help right away.

Because the interesting part here is that the 3 guys likely to improve the most on the current roster are the 3 guys already helping us the most. You can probably add Yawke and Freudenberg in a second group due to youth and upside. Not to irrationally say after a loss that guys like Sima can’t give solid role contributions the next two years. But you don’t advance the program to the level I think we are trying to by relying on solid role contributions. We need more players like Lovett/Ponds/Ahmed, and with the way things have been going we should probably aspire to acquiring 20% more talent than we think we need. I’ll be the first to admit I thought we’d be set next year, and as much as I think the 3 current projected newcomers will help I’m no longer sure that will be enough.

LoVett not starting for second time, just staff mixing it up or something that merits attention?

Unfortunately, I don't see how we can mix things up and not start Lovett/Ponds/Ahmed! Best case is probably that he was just late for a meeting or something, and that stops happening. Most scenarios outside that sphere are at least moderately concerning. As I mentioned, Lovett/Ponds finishing this season feeling great about themselves and prospects for next year, and recruits seeing both of those things, is about as low as I can lower the bar for success this season. If we can't do that, not good.
 
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