Defining Moment for this Program

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Pouchie29

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Sept 13, 2013, although I thought Lavin was doing the right thing at the time, the day Isaiah Whitehead committed to Seton Hall was that defining moment. In hind sight, he was not above or better than hiring Isaiah coach, he should have exhibited more desperation and done what was best for him and our program.

We would be winning a lot more games, plus IMO we would have a much better outlook for the recruiting class....
 
Sept 13, 2013, although I thought Lavin was doing the right thing at the time, the day Isaiah Whitehead committed to Seton Hall was that defining moment. In hind sight, he was not above or better than hiring Isaiah coach, he should have exhibited more desperation and done what was best for him and our program.

We would be winning a lot more games, plus IMO we would have a much better outlook for the recruiting class....
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I think Harkless not staying two years was the defining moment, Put Harkless with Sampson and we would have been dancing that next year. I remember watching the lost to Pitt in the Big East Tournament, in which Moe scored 26, and thinking just give us one more year of service. You could see special skills from him that day.
 
I'm going with in 2014/2015 when D'Lo got hurt and went from Wooden Award caliber player to banged up role player shooting under 40%...

Does anyone even remember how money he was the beginning of the season, i swear if is 100% always this season we have 2-3 more BE wins...
 
I think it was the day Gathers decomitted ( no fault of Lavin )
 
Sept 13, 2013, although I thought Lavin was doing the right thing at the time, the day Isaiah Whitehead committed to Seton Hall was that defining moment. In hind sight, he was not above or better than hiring Isaiah coach, he should have exhibited more desperation and done what was best for him and our program.

We would be winning a lot more games, plus IMO we would have a much better outlook for the recruiting class....
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If you want to limit it to the Lavin years, there are no defining moments either way.There are a lot of smaller moments of poor choices. The closest thing to a defining moment was Dunlap leaving. The biggest positive moment was D Lo's return to the team as a better teammate and human being.

The defining positive moment for the program in recent times was the day Chris Mullin signed on to play for SJU. The defining negative moment was Pittsburgh and its aftermath. Everything is related. If Jarvis was let go after the NIT victory instead of into the season, then no stripper scandal, no admission that Keita got payments, and probably no Norm Roberts and 5 years spent restoring our reputation, which is why Norm was hired. Maybe all the harm could be traced back to Father Harrington and his poor decision making regarding the program.
 
The day Dunlap left
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I'm ok with this one since i am an LMU alum and he's already doing good things for starting to build us a great program!

If you guys like Dunlap so much LMU can always use some more fans!! lol
 
Sept 13, 2013, although I thought Lavin was doing the right thing at the time, the day Isaiah Whitehead committed to Seton Hall was that defining moment. In hind sight, he was not above or better than hiring Isaiah coach, he should have exhibited more desperation and done what was best for him and our program.

We would be winning a lot more games, plus IMO we would have a much better outlook for the recruiting class....
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I think Harkless not staying two years was the defining moment, Put Harkless with Sampson and we would have been dancing that next year. I remember watching the lost to Pitt in the Big East Tournament, in which Moe scored 26, and thinking just give us one more year of service. You could see special skills from him that day.
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Agree, in thier freshmen year they were getting an A$$ kicking at Duke when Harkless & Harrison lead a come back making a game out of it. I concluded happy days would soon be here.
 
The first few months of the 2011-12 season - Karr, Pelle and Garret ruled ineligible while Nuri bolts, Gather commits to Baylor and we end up with a six-man team.
 
I'd also add the day johnnyjungle couldn't fulfill medium tee shirt orders. We lost a whole subset of fans that day
 
would be Fran being such a nut in practice.

What if that never happened?
He got the recruits that made SJU good again, and they got to the elite 8 (though they were coached by Jarvis.).
Would he have continued to get top recruit and do damage with them.

Since he left they got Jarvis (who left the city's HS and AAU teams, and just recruited JUCO's), Norm (couldn't recruit or coach), and now Mr. Lavin.
Real winners there.
 
would be Fran being such a nut in practice.

What if that never happened?
He got the recruits that made SJU good again, and they got to the elite 8 (though they were coached by Jarvis.).
Would he have continued to get top recruit and do damage with them.

Since he left they got Jarvis (who left the city's HS and AAU teams, and just recruited JUCO's), Norm (couldn't recruit or coach), and now Mr. Lavin.
Real winners there.
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As a fan I liked Fran and was upset when he got fired, but I knew a player on those teams and from what I was told, him getting canned for being a nut was only a matter of time
 
How Lavin handled his cancer and treatment. To me, that period, far and away, was the defining moment for this era.

If he needed time off, so be it. No one will begrudge a man for needing time to recover from cancer.
But the attending games in the luxury boxes and not coaching, the recruiting trips and interviews he was doing while he wasn't coaching - it rubbed a lot of people (including opposing coaches, the wrong way).
He didn't handle it properly, and the school didn't tell him to take the time to rest and get out of sight, or get his butt back on the sidelines. And that was the beginning of the inmates running the asylum.
 
would be Fran being such a nut in practice.

What if that never happened?
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What if Lapchick had never retired and Alcindor committed.

What if Erving accepted a scholarship.

What if Lou offered Payton.

What if what if.

Except those are not defining moments. They're turning points. The defining moment of this program is Chris Mullin missing a free throw against Temple in 1984 and SJU losing in the first round of the NCAA tournament. That moment crystallizes in amber the futility that is Saint John's basketball.
 
would be Fran being such a nut in practice.

What if that never happened?
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What if Lapchick had never retired and Alcindor committed.

What if Erving accepted a scholarship.

What if Lou offered Payton.

What if what if.

Except those are not defining moments. They're turning points. The defining moment of this program is Chris Mullin missing a free throw against Temple in 1984 and SJU losing in the first round of the NCAA tournament. That moment crystallizes in amber the futility that is Saint John's basketball.
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I think he had also missed a big one the year before with a better team against Georgia team with Vern Fleming and one of Marbury's older brothers.
It is a good thing there were not fan forum's back then or Mullin's legacy might be viewed differently.
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would be Fran being such a nut in practice.

What if that never happened?
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What if Lapchick had never retired and Alcindor committed.

What if Erving accepted a scholarship.

What if Lou offered Payton.

What if what if.

Except those are not defining moments. They're turning points. The defining moment of this program is Chris Mullin missing a free throw against Temple in 1984 and SJU losing in the first round of the NCAA tournament. That moment crystallizes in amber the futility that is Saint John's basketball.
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True, but what if Terence Stansbury didn't hit a jumper at the buzzer to beat us that game? Just think, we wouldn't have been eliminated until the second round. Mullin also missed 2 free throws with one second to go down 1 as a Golden State Warrior. And that was well after he gave up drinking. Still, without Mullin, I wouldn't have to hear from casual fans and every announcer on our nationally televised TV games how good SJU was when Mullin and Berry were here.
 
would be Fran being such a nut in practice.

What if that never happened?
He got the recruits that made SJU good again, and they got to the elite 8 (though they were coached by Jarvis.).
Would he have continued to get top recruit and do damage with them.

Since he left they got Jarvis (who left the city's HS and AAU teams, and just recruited JUCO's), Norm (couldn't recruit or coach), and now Mr. Lavin.
Real winners there.
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Sorry, but the one thing that is missing with good old Fran was he still had a stipend (I think was like 800 per month, plus an apartment back in early 90s) to give out. That was more powerful than most could understand, the addition of dorms wasn't positive for our bb program.
 
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