D'Angelo Harrison

[Class of 72]

72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.

I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!

So basically recruit a 19 year old kid and if you can't reach him dump him and move on? I understand that college sports is a buisness, but your post basically throws support behind the real buisnessmen in this deal the University and coaches while basically treating the players like cattle. Lavin recruited Harrison and Nuri and you make it like Harrison some how let Lavin down? If Harrison is a pain, and by all accounts he is, Lavin is culpable in this and takes a hit as well. In this situation he is not some sort of sympathetic figure. And by the way whose fault was it that Nuri left, Harrison was a pain and we only had 5 other scholarship players?
I hope this can get worked out, but if it doesn't it is really convenient to blame Harrison while making Lavin out to be some kind of victim.

I will leave the criticism of Lavin to others here with a bigger ax to grind than me. This situation was not about Lavin. There are "hundreds" of players that move from school to school every year! They move to benefit themselves and the future of the team and their teammates is usually secondary. If they are treated like "cattle" there sure are a lot of bulls in the herd! I am not sure you understand what it takes for a player, your leading scorer, to be banished from team activities. It is convenient for some here to trivialize this and make DH a martyr. I said....I do not trust Lavin's judgment on this but would you rather alienate your staff or one player?
Scholarships are granted year-to-year. Had this player been Marc-Antoine Bourgault or Felix Balamou, I am pretty sure some here would be praising Lavin for freeing up a scholie for Jordan and possibly the kid from CTK.
If you have not figured out this is a business by now, you better start following the fencing team. There is no longer a Big East as we knew it because Syracuse, Pitt, ND, Rutgers, WV, Louisville .......and if they can market themselves to the ACC or Big, Cincy and Uconn in a NY minute would leave.....never once thinking about the fans, the players or rivalries.

 

[we are sju]

72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.

I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!

So basically recruit a 19 year old kid and if you can't reach him dump him and move on? I understand that college sports is a buisness, but your post basically throws support behind the real buisnessmen in this deal the University and coaches while basically treating the players like cattle. Lavin recruited Harrison and Nuri and you make it like Harrison some how let Lavin down? If Harrison is a pain, and by all accounts he is, Lavin is culpable in this and takes a hit as well. In this situation he is not some sort of sympathetic figure. And by the way whose fault was it that Nuri left, Harrison was a pain and we only had 5 other scholarship players?
I hope this can get worked out, but if it doesn't it is really convenient to blame Harrison while making Lavin out to be some kind of victim.

I will leave the criticism of Lavin to others here with a bigger ax to grind than me. This situation was not about Lavin. There are "hundreds" of players that move from school to school every year! They move to benefit themselves and the future of the team and their teammates is usually secondary. If they are treated like "cattle" there sure are a lot of bulls in the herd! I am not sure you understand what it takes for a player, your leading scorer, to be banished from team activities. It is convenient for some here to trivialize this and make DH a martyr. I said....I do not trust Lavin's judgment on this but would you rather alienate your staff or one player?
Scholarships are granted year-to-year. Had this player been Marc-Antoine Bourgault or Felix Balamou, I am pretty sure some here would be praising Lavin for freeing up a scholie for Jordan and possibly the kid from CTK.
If you have not figured out this is a business by now, you better start following the fencing team. There is no longer a Big East as we knew it because Syracuse, Pitt, ND, Rutgers, WV, Louisville .......and if they can market themselves to the ACC or Big, Cincy and Uconn in a NY minute would leave.....never once thinking about the fans, the players or rivalries.

I am not blaming Lavin here, and again by all accounts Harrison might be a jerk. My only issue was with some posters claiming Lavin was some sort of hero and that his situation is a good thing. It is neither.
My only issue with your last post was I do feel even though they are given a great opportunity, the players are more or less pawns here. Coaches can move around freely while players are forced to sit out. And the universities profit from them and most players do not make the NBA even though that is their only life skill. So when you say send Harrison packing, a player that the coach recruited to make way for a potentially better player in Jordan that is just not right IMO. Fundamentally speaking anyway. If that scenerio plays out and we make the final 4 I am pretty sure I won't be complaining

 

[fuchsia]

72, I tend to agree with your big picture analysis but try to make myself not apply the broader understanding until I know the specific case, which with DLO I do not. However, I will share a story that i tell to my students in recovery. One year, the guy who was my pediatrician (long, long ago) showed up at the New Years eve party in the neighborhood and proceeded to get three sheets to the wind and obnoxious as hell. His friends (including my parents) loved him all the more for his out of character behavior, because most at the party knew that he was beside himself at the prospect of losing the grandchild of a local family all knew, to leukemia.

I don't know the source of the suspension but I also know i, and I suspect this is true of all on this board, have not walked a mile in DLO's shoes.

 

[SJUalum98]

72, I tend to agree with your big picture analysis but try to make myself not apply the broader understanding until I know the specific case, which with DLO I do not. However, I will share a story that i tell to my students in recovery. One year, the guy who was my pediatrician (long, long ago) showed up at the New Years eve party in the neighborhood and proceeded to get three sheets to the wind and obnoxious as hell. His friends (including my parents) loved him all the more for his out of character behavior, because most at the party knew that he was beside himself at the prospect of losing the grandchild of a local family all knew, to leukemia.

I don't know the source of the suspension but I also know i, and I suspect this is true of all on this board, have not walked a mile in DLO's shoes.

And that has nothing to do with a kid on a free scholarship not attending classes, showing up late for practices, getting kicked out of practices, missing team buses and disrespecting coaches and fans.

Fact is, D'Angelo thought/thinks that he is a star. Reality says, he is an undersized shooter who would have a difficult time finding a professional gig anywhere in the world.

Some kids can handle their faces plastered on billboards in Times Square. Some kids can't.

If D'Angelo went unchecked (let's say he was never suspended) at the rate he was going, don't you think something else would've popped up with him whether it be academic issues or something way more negative?

 

[Moose]

72, I tend to agree with your big picture analysis but try to make myself not apply the broader understanding until I know the specific case, which with DLO I do not. However, I will share a story that i tell to my students in recovery. One year, the guy who was my pediatrician (long, long ago) showed up at the New Years eve party in the neighborhood and proceeded to get three sheets to the wind and obnoxious as hell. His friends (including my parents) loved him all the more for his out of character behavior, because most at the party knew that he was beside himself at the prospect of losing the grandchild of a local family all knew, to leukemia.

I don't know the source of the suspension but I also know i, and I suspect this is true of all on this board, have not walked a mile in DLO's shoes.

And that has nothing to do with a kid on a free scholarship not attending classes, showing up late for practices, getting kicked out of practices, missing team buses and disrespecting coaches and fans.

Fact is, D'Angelo thought/thinks that he is a star. Reality says, he is an undersized shooter who would have a difficult time finding a professional gig anywhere in the world.

Some kids can handle their faces plastered on billboards in Times Square. Some kids can't.

If D'Angelo went unchecked (let's say he was never suspended) at the rate he was going, don't you think something else would've popped up with him whether it be academic issues or something way more negative?

Where was it said he hasnt attended classes?

 

[we are sju]

72, I tend to agree with your big picture analysis but try to make myself not apply the broader understanding until I know the specific case, which with DLO I do not. However, I will share a story that i tell to my students in recovery. One year, the guy who was my pediatrician (long, long ago) showed up at the New Years eve party in the neighborhood and proceeded to get three sheets to the wind and obnoxious as hell. His friends (including my parents) loved him all the more for his out of character behavior, because most at the party knew that he was beside himself at the prospect of losing the grandchild of a local family all knew, to leukemia.

I don't know the source of the suspension but I also know i, and I suspect this is true of all on this board, have not walked a mile in DLO's shoes.

And that has nothing to do with a kid on a free scholarship not attending classes, showing up late for practices, getting kicked out of practices, missing team buses and disrespecting coaches and fans.

Fact is, D'Angelo thought/thinks that he is a star. Reality says, he is an undersized shooter who would have a difficult time finding a professional gig anywhere in the world.

Some kids can handle their faces plastered on billboards in Times Square. Some kids can't.

If D'Angelo went unchecked (let's say he was never suspended) at the rate he was going, don't you think something else would've popped up with him whether it be academic issues or something way more negative?

Where was it said he hasnt attended classes?

That is another part of this story that bothers me. People are rushing to judge the kid for being suspended for things that 99% of the posters have no knowledge about. I will say it again, Harrison's ON COURT behavior was no worse than anything Bobby Hurley was doing at Duke! I am sorry but I def believe Harrison's appearance is the reason most of the boards went against him. Well that and the fact he has struggled recently.

 

[gregbodkin]

What if Lavin has already secured RJ and is setting up a scenario for D'Lo's departure? Just some conjecture on my part.

 

[guru]

Who are we judge this kid! He is 19 and In need of direction.... As a coach myself this isnthe time to rally the team (family) aroun Dlo and make him see his ways... This very well could be a huge crossroads for him and I'm willing to do whatever possible to see it through!!

 

[beast of the east]

72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.

I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!

So basically recruit a 19 year old kid and if you can't reach him dump him and move on? I understand that college sports is a buisness, but your post basically throws support behind the real buisnessmen in this deal the University and coaches while basically treating the players like cattle. Lavin recruited Harrison and Nuri and you make it like Harrison some how let Lavin down? If Harrison is a pain, and by all accounts he is, Lavin is culpable in this and takes a hit as well. In this situation he is not some sort of sympathetic figure. And by the way whose fault was it that Nuri left, Harrison was a pain and we only had 5 other scholarship players?
I hope this can get worked out, but if it doesn't it is really convenient to blame Harrison while making Lavin out to be some kind of victim.

No offense, but when does personal responsbility kick in, instead of spreading out culpability on Lavin for recruiting or somehow mismanaging a player . From what I understand Harrison is a very troubled guy who may not just need a change in attitude, but medical treatment. However, while I think it would be great if the university gets him help, whether therapy, or psychiatric help, the mere expression that he wants to stay at St. John's shouldn't be seen as something wonderful What would be a wonderful first step is for harrison to admit he has disrespected coaches and teammates, and that he owes a huge apology to them. Second he must not just promise not to do this again, but get the help he needs to deal with anger issues, and begin to respect authority figures in his life (coaches, teachers, bosses, etc). Third he must be aware that the only proofe of this change is to avoid at all costs these outbursts and negative attitude that is destroying his collegiate tenure. The first steps in my opinion are not enough. A tough guy doesn't curse his coaches and teammates out, he publicly acknowledges what an ass he has been, and beings to take corrective action

 

[we are sju]

72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.

I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!

So basically recruit a 19 year old kid and if you can't reach him dump him and move on? I understand that college sports is a buisness, but your post basically throws support behind the real buisnessmen in this deal the University and coaches while basically treating the players like cattle. Lavin recruited Harrison and Nuri and you make it like Harrison some how let Lavin down? If Harrison is a pain, and by all accounts he is, Lavin is culpable in this and takes a hit as well. In this situation he is not some sort of sympathetic figure. And by the way whose fault was it that Nuri left, Harrison was a pain and we only had 5 other scholarship players?
I hope this can get worked out, but if it doesn't it is really convenient to blame Harrison while making Lavin out to be some kind of victim.

No offense, but when does personal responsbility kick in, instead of spreading out culpability on Lavin for recruiting or somehow mismanaging a player . From what I understand Harrison is a very troubled guy who may not just need a change in attitude, but medical treatment. However, while I think it would be great if the university gets him help, whether therapy, or psychiatric help, the mere expression that he wants to stay at St. John's shouldn't be seen as something wonderful What would be a wonderful first step is for harrison to admit he has disrespected coaches and teammates, and that he owes a huge apology to them. Second he must not just promise not to do this again, but get the help he needs to deal with anger issues, and begin to respect authority figures in his life (coaches, teachers, bosses, etc). Third he must be aware that the only proofe of this change is to avoid at all costs these outbursts and negative attitude that is destroying his collegiate tenure. The first steps in my opinion are not enough. A tough guy doesn't curse his coaches and teammates out, he publicly acknowledges what an ass he has been, and beings to take corrective action

He was never arrested, has not been involved in any fights with teamates, students or coaches and from what we understand is in good academic standing. Yet your understanding is he may need some sort of "psychiatric or medical treattment" ? Where may I ask are you getting that info from? Better yet when Ron Artest a player who not only needed help, but to his credit seeked it out(though I don't think it has taken hold) was here were you advocating throwing him off the team?

 

[logen]

72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.

I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!

So basically recruit a 19 year old kid and if you can't reach him dump him and move on? I understand that college sports is a buisness, but your post basically throws support behind the real buisnessmen in this deal the University and coaches while basically treating the players like cattle. Lavin recruited Harrison and Nuri and you make it like Harrison some how let Lavin down? If Harrison is a pain, and by all accounts he is, Lavin is culpable in this and takes a hit as well. In this situation he is not some sort of sympathetic figure. And by the way whose fault was it that Nuri left, Harrison was a pain and we only had 5 other scholarship players?
I hope this can get worked out, but if it doesn't it is really convenient to blame Harrison while making Lavin out to be some kind of victim.

No offense, but when does personal responsbility kick in, instead of spreading out culpability on Lavin for recruiting or somehow mismanaging a player . From what I understand Harrison is a very troubled guy who may not just need a change in attitude, but medical treatment. However, while I think it would be great if the university gets him help, whether therapy, or psychiatric help, the mere expression that he wants to stay at St. John's shouldn't be seen as something wonderful What would be a wonderful first step is for harrison to admit he has disrespected coaches and teammates, and that he owes a huge apology to them. Second he must not just promise not to do this again, but get the help he needs to deal with anger issues, and begin to respect authority figures in his life (coaches, teachers, bosses, etc). Third he must be aware that the only proofe of this change is to avoid at all costs these outbursts and negative attitude that is destroying his collegiate tenure. The first steps in my opinion are not enough. A tough guy doesn't curse his coaches and teammates out, he publicly acknowledges what an ass he has been, and beings to take corrective action

He was never arrested, has not been involved in any fights with teamates, students or coaches and from what we understand is in good academic standing. Yet your understanding is he may need some sort of "psychiatric or medical treattment" ? Where may I ask are you getting that info from? Better yet when Ron Artest a player who not only needed help, but to his credit seeked it out(though I don't think it has taken hold) was here were you advocating throwing him off the team?

Who said he was arrested or got in a fight? He was disruptive and over the top disrespectful. This is acceptable because he didn't punch anyone? He was wrong and I for one agree that an apology and acknowledgement and recognition of being the cause of the situation goes a long way in my mind. If he needs help get help. Why defend his actions?

 

[Jack Williams]

72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.

I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!

So basically recruit a 19 year old kid and if you can't reach him dump him and move on? I understand that college sports is a buisness, but your post basically throws support behind the real buisnessmen in this deal the University and coaches while basically treating the players like cattle. Lavin recruited Harrison and Nuri and you make it like Harrison some how let Lavin down? If Harrison is a pain, and by all accounts he is, Lavin is culpable in this and takes a hit as well. In this situation he is not some sort of sympathetic figure. And by the way whose fault was it that Nuri left, Harrison was a pain and we only had 5 other scholarship players?
I hope this can get worked out, but if it doesn't it is really convenient to blame Harrison while making Lavin out to be some kind of victim.

No offense, but when does personal responsbility kick in, instead of spreading out culpability on Lavin for recruiting or somehow mismanaging a player . From what I understand Harrison is a very troubled guy who may not just need a change in attitude, but medical treatment. However, while I think it would be great if the university gets him help, whether therapy, or psychiatric help, the mere expression that he wants to stay at St. John's shouldn't be seen as something wonderful What would be a wonderful first step is for harrison to admit he has disrespected coaches and teammates, and that he owes a huge apology to them. Second he must not just promise not to do this again, but get the help he needs to deal with anger issues, and begin to respect authority figures in his life (coaches, teachers, bosses, etc). Third he must be aware that the only proofe of this change is to avoid at all costs these outbursts and negative attitude that is destroying his collegiate tenure. The first steps in my opinion are not enough. A tough guy doesn't curse his coaches and teammates out, he publicly acknowledges what an ass he has been, and beings to take corrective action

He was never arrested, has not been involved in any fights with teamates, students or coaches and from what we understand is in good academic standing. Yet your understanding is he may need some sort of "psychiatric or medical treattment" ? Where may I ask are you getting that info from? Better yet when Ron Artest a player who not only needed help, but to his credit seeked it out(though I don't think it has taken hold) was here were you advocating throwing him off the team?

Who said he was arrested or got in a fight? He was disruptive and over the top disrespectful. This is acceptable because he didn't punch anyone? He was wrong and I for one agree that an apology and acknowledgement and recognition of being the cause of the situation goes a long way in my mind. If he needs help get help. Why defend his actions?

He never did. He is saying that the medical treatment comment was absurd and it is

 

[cappy105]

Honestly guys, some of you act as bad as D'Angelo on here. Fact is, he is a KID ! He is a college kid who plays hard and is hard around the edges. Think back to our college days, im sure many of us would cring at some of the things we did. Look, DLo was wrong, we all know that. The good thing is that DLo knows he was wrong too. We cant be all just be fans when the going is good. Lets be real genuine supporters of the kids and program. Trust me when i say this, If D'Angelo does come back next year ( which i hope he does ), and if he turns this around to be a good role model, we all will be huge fans of him. Im rooting for the kid, and if he is looking for good examples of how to sit out and watch and wait.....look no further than Amir , Gods Gift, Hooper, Sanchez, Jakarr, and Branch. All who have either sat for a year or have been delayed. Mature from this D, you have OUR REDMEN FAMILY SUPPORT !!! Go Johnnies !!

 

[we are sju]

72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.

I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!

So basically recruit a 19 year old kid and if you can't reach him dump him and move on? I understand that college sports is a buisness, but your post basically throws support behind the real buisnessmen in this deal the University and coaches while basically treating the players like cattle. Lavin recruited Harrison and Nuri and you make it like Harrison some how let Lavin down? If Harrison is a pain, and by all accounts he is, Lavin is culpable in this and takes a hit as well. In this situation he is not some sort of sympathetic figure. And by the way whose fault was it that Nuri left, Harrison was a pain and we only had 5 other scholarship players?
I hope this can get worked out, but if it doesn't it is really convenient to blame Harrison while making Lavin out to be some kind of victim.

No offense, but when does personal responsbility kick in, instead of spreading out culpability on Lavin for recruiting or somehow mismanaging a player . From what I understand Harrison is a very troubled guy who may not just need a change in attitude, but medical treatment. However, while I think it would be great if the university gets him help, whether therapy, or psychiatric help, the mere expression that he wants to stay at St. John's shouldn't be seen as something wonderful What would be a wonderful first step is for harrison to admit he has disrespected coaches and teammates, and that he owes a huge apology to them. Second he must not just promise not to do this again, but get the help he needs to deal with anger issues, and begin to respect authority figures in his life (coaches, teachers, bosses, etc). Third he must be aware that the only proofe of this change is to avoid at all costs these outbursts and negative attitude that is destroying his collegiate tenure. The first steps in my opinion are not enough. A tough guy doesn't curse his coaches and teammates out, he publicly acknowledges what an ass he has been, and beings to take corrective action

He was never arrested, has not been involved in any fights with teamates, students or coaches and from what we understand is in good academic standing. Yet your understanding is he may need some sort of "psychiatric or medical treattment" ? Where may I ask are you getting that info from? Better yet when Ron Artest a player who not only needed help, but to his credit seeked it out(though I don't think it has taken hold) was here were you advocating throwing him off the team?

Who said he was arrested or got in a fight? He was disruptive and over the top disrespectful. This is acceptable because he didn't punch anyone? He was wrong and I for one agree that an apology and acknowledgement and recognition of being the cause of the situation goes a long way in my mind. If he needs help get help. Why defend his actions?

He never did. He is saying that the medical treatment comment was absurd and it is

Yup, that was my point.
Again from what the casual fan saw, I feel some of the criticism of Harrison is going overboard.

 

[logen]

72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.

I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!

So basically recruit a 19 year old kid and if you can't reach him dump him and move on? I understand that college sports is a buisness, but your post basically throws support behind the real buisnessmen in this deal the University and coaches while basically treating the players like cattle. Lavin recruited Harrison and Nuri and you make it like Harrison some how let Lavin down? If Harrison is a pain, and by all accounts he is, Lavin is culpable in this and takes a hit as well. In this situation he is not some sort of sympathetic figure. And by the way whose fault was it that Nuri left, Harrison was a pain and we only had 5 other scholarship players?
I hope this can get worked out, but if it doesn't it is really convenient to blame Harrison while making Lavin out to be some kind of victim.

No offense, but when does personal responsbility kick in, instead of spreading out culpability on Lavin for recruiting or somehow mismanaging a player . From what I understand Harrison is a very troubled guy who may not just need a change in attitude, but medical treatment. However, while I think it would be great if the university gets him help, whether therapy, or psychiatric help, the mere expression that he wants to stay at St. John's shouldn't be seen as something wonderful What would be a wonderful first step is for harrison to admit he has disrespected coaches and teammates, and that he owes a huge apology to them. Second he must not just promise not to do this again, but get the help he needs to deal with anger issues, and begin to respect authority figures in his life (coaches, teachers, bosses, etc). Third he must be aware that the only proofe of this change is to avoid at all costs these outbursts and negative attitude that is destroying his collegiate tenure. The first steps in my opinion are not enough. A tough guy doesn't curse his coaches and teammates out, he publicly acknowledges what an ass he has been, and beings to take corrective action

He was never arrested, has not been involved in any fights with teamates, students or coaches and from what we understand is in good academic standing. Yet your understanding is he may need some sort of "psychiatric or medical treattment" ? Where may I ask are you getting that info from? Better yet when Ron Artest a player who not only needed help, but to his credit seeked it out(though I don't think it has taken hold) was here were you advocating throwing him off the team?

Who said he was arrested or got in a fight? He was disruptive and over the top disrespectful. This is acceptable because he didn't punch anyone? He was wrong and I for one agree that an apology and acknowledgement and recognition of being the cause of the situation goes a long way in my mind. If he needs help get help. Why defend his actions?

He never did. He is saying that the medical treatment comment was absurd and it is

How do you know what help he needs or doesn't? I hope Harrison straightens himself out but if you don't think the lack of self control he has to get to this point isn't a legitimate problem you're wrong.

 

[Jack Williams]

Honestly guys, some of you act as bad as D'Angelo on here. Fact is, he is a KID ! He is a college kid who plays hard and is hard around the edges. Think back to our college days, im sure many of us would cring at some of the things we did. Look, DLo was wrong, we all know that. The good thing is that DLo knows he was wrong too. We cant be all just be fans when the going is good. Lets be real genuine supporters of the kids and program. Trust me when i say this, If D'Angelo does come back next year ( which i hope he does ), and if he turns this around to be a good role model, we all will be huge fans of him. Im rooting for the kid, and if he is looking for good examples of how to sit out and watch and wait.....look no further than Amir , Gods Gift, Hooper, Sanchez, Jakarr, and Branch. All who have either sat for a year or have been delayed. Mature from this D, you have OUR REDMEN FAMILY SUPPORT !!! Go Johnnies !!

Amen. Some people want to ship this kid to alcatraz, just stand behind a kid who is still on our team

 

[fun]

He was never arrested, has not been involved in any fights with teamates, students or coaches and from what we understand is in good academic standing. Yet your understanding is he may need some sort of "psychiatric or medical treattment" ? Where may I ask are you getting that info from? Better yet when Ron Artest a player who not only needed help, but to his credit seeked it out(though I don't think it has taken hold) was here were you advocating throwing him off the team?

took the time to read all of the comments on this thread, and I would say after reading, that redemption begins with how Harrison conducts his life going forward. Some of us will never forgive him. Some of us have forgiven him already. Listening to and reading the interviews Harrison has given in recent weeks gives me hope. Many of us believe in a God who forgives, and the indications are that Jayson has embraced that God. Regardless of what you, I, or anyone else thinks, the rest of this story is up to Harrison. He has the capability to be a tremendous agent for good…. He claims to be a committed Christian - only he and God knows his sincerity, so we shouldn't pass judgment prematurely. If you ask me, I'm rooting for the guy to pull off a great comeback, not erasing deeds that had horrific consequences, but conducting the rest of his life with honor and valor. If SJU is a part of that, I'm all for it.

Ha. Just kidding. That's BOTE talking about Jayson Williams, who killed somebody. I just changed Jayson to Harrison. Quite the different tone. Plus Williams killed a dog, which is even worse than killing a human. It's a shame Harrison never killed anyone, they’d all be on about Christ and forgiveness and redemption. Harrison they want locked up and medicated and crawling around begging for forgiveness. It’s a hoot.

 

[ccnobz]

72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.

I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!

So basically recruit a 19 year old kid and if you can't reach him dump him and move on? I understand that college sports is a buisness, but your post basically throws support behind the real buisnessmen in this deal the University and coaches while basically treating the players like cattle. Lavin recruited Harrison and Nuri and you make it like Harrison some how let Lavin down? If Harrison is a pain, and by all accounts he is, Lavin is culpable in this and takes a hit as well. In this situation he is not some sort of sympathetic figure. And by the way whose fault was it that Nuri left, Harrison was a pain and we only had 5 other scholarship players?
I hope this can get worked out, but if it doesn't it is really convenient to blame Harrison while making Lavin out to be some kind of victim.

No offense, but when does personal responsbility kick in, instead of spreading out culpability on Lavin for recruiting or somehow mismanaging a player . From what I understand Harrison is a very troubled guy who may not just need a change in attitude, but medical treatment. However, while I think it would be great if the university gets him help, whether therapy, or psychiatric help, the mere expression that he wants to stay at St. John's shouldn't be seen as something wonderful What would be a wonderful first step is for harrison to admit he has disrespected coaches and teammates, and that he owes a huge apology to them. Second he must not just promise not to do this again, but get the help he needs to deal with anger issues, and begin to respect authority figures in his life (coaches, teachers, bosses, etc). Third he must be aware that the only proofe of this change is to avoid at all costs these outbursts and negative attitude that is destroying his collegiate tenure. The first steps in my opinion are not enough. A tough guy doesn't curse his coaches and teammates out, he publicly acknowledges what an ass he has been, and beings to take corrective action

He was never arrested, has not been involved in any fights with teamates, students or coaches and from what we understand is in good academic standing. Yet your understanding is he may need some sort of "psychiatric or medical treattment" ? Where may I ask are you getting that info from? Better yet when Ron Artest a player who not only needed help, but to his credit seeked it out(though I don't think it has taken hold) was here were you advocating throwing him off the team?

Artest punched Thorton in the face at halftime of a BET tourney game and wasn't suspended for it.

 

[MJDinkins]

Artest punched Thorton in the face at halftime of a BET tourney game and wasn't suspended for it.

It was Barkley and Thornton that got into it during halftime of a Big East Tournament game. It was against Miami in the (2000 Big East tournament) semifinals.

 

[fuchsia]

How dare you let facts interfere with the story narrative?