D'Angelo Harrison

Him communicating he wants to stay is already a step in the right direction. Not running from the suspension already shows some maturity. Hope he is back, because he is a real threat on the floor. Hope he has Johnny red through his blood!
 
This is great news we want him back too!
Next year can't start soon enough (right after the NIT)!
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Beware of what you wish for!

"[Harrison] led the team in times being kicked out of practice, times being late to team functions and times not being respectful to assistant coaches and support staff. His behavior the week Lavin was in Northern California mourning the loss of his father was the deal-breaker."

Someone close to the team said he was the most arrogant player he ever encountered at St. John's. So some of you think we cannot replace a 15 pt, 35% shooter with the offense centered around him?? It was so bad, he is to stay away from all team activities! How do you think the assistant coaches he disrespected will evaluate his progress?
He MAY want to stay at SJ now but only because he has no options at present. I have serious doubts the coaches actually want him back. There is a difference between immaturity and disrespect. it is much easier to mature as a person than learning respect for others. Most people I have known that were an arrogant POS when they were 20 were that way when they were 40. They matured...in age but that personality flaw was hard to overcome. Players like Lindsey, Harrison and Pelle may be talented (to a degree) but they are high maintenance and just one high maintenance player can retard the growth of the others.
Beware of what you wish for!
 
72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.
 
Class of 72 .......I TOTALLY agree.

At the end of the day "You are who you are". Every member of that team, or nearly every college student, is immature to a degree. But, not everyone gets kicked out of practice, repeatedly reports late for team busses, and disrespects assistant coaches. If he comes back, he will behave for a short time (just as he did after the suspensions earlier this year). However, eventually....."you are who you are". In other words, he'll be back at it again.

Let's not let this cancer destroy a very good nucleus. I say GOOD RIDDANCE D'LO!
 
Class of 72 .......I TOTALLY agree.

At the end of the day "You are who you are". Every member of that team, or nearly every college student, is immature to a degree. But, not everyone gets kicked out of practice, repeatedly reports late for team busses, and disrespects assistant coaches. If he comes back, he will behave for a short time (just as he did after the suspensions earlier this year). However, eventually....."you are who you are". In other words, he'll be back at it again.

Let's not let this cancer destroy a very good nucleus. I say GOOD RIDDANCE D'LO!
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But at the end of the day, it's about wins and losses. And I truly believe that we have a better chance of winning if he is on our team.
 
This is great news we want him back too!
Next year can't start soon enough (right after the NIT)!
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Beware of what you wish for!

"[Harrison] led the team in times being kicked out of practice, times being late to team functions and times not being respectful to assistant coaches and support staff. His behavior the week Lavin was in Northern California mourning the loss of his father was the deal-breaker."

Someone close to the team said he was the most arrogant player he ever encountered at St. John's. So some of you think we cannot replace a 15 pt, 35% shooter with the offense centered around him?? It was so bad, he is to stay away from all team activities! How do you think the assistant coaches he disrespected will evaluate his progress?
He MAY want to stay at SJ now but only because he has no options at present. I have serious doubts the coaches actually want him back. There is a difference between immaturity and disrespect. it is much easier to mature as a person than learning respect for others. Most people I have known that were an arrogant POS when they were 20 were that way when they were 40. They matured...in age but that personality flaw was hard to overcome. Players like Lindsey, Harrison and Pelle may be talented (to a degree) but they are high maintenance and just one high maintenance player can retard the growth of the others.
Beware of what you wish for!
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Why do you assume the kid has no other options? Certainly some other college coach would take a chance on him as a transfer. And I'm guessing pro ball overseas might be an option as well. I do agree that the lack of respect for those in authority is a major character flaw and one not easily corrected, but if Lavin and the staff are willing to take him back I'm guessing they think the kid can change.
 
This is about more than basketball at this point. Let's hope that this young man has in fact turned the corner and matured as a person. I wish him well.
 
Class of 72 .......I TOTALLY agree.

At the end of the day "You are who you are". Every member of that team, or nearly every college student, is immature to a degree. But, not everyone gets kicked out of practice, repeatedly reports late for team busses, and disrespects assistant coaches. If he comes back, he will behave for a short time (just as he did after the suspensions earlier this year). However, eventually....."you are who you are". In other words, he'll be back at it again.

Let's not let this cancer destroy a very good nucleus. I say GOOD RIDDANCE D'LO!
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The article states that he will have to prove to Lavin in the Spring and Summer that his attitude as changed? Well what will that prove. We wont know anything till e gets back in a competitive ame situation with pressure on him and that won't be till next years Big East season. I have also stated on other threads that Dlo's presence has hindered the development of the TEAM as a whole as well as several individual players. If this kid changes it will be a minor miracle, but then again, on the third day we all know who rose again from the dead.
 
Class of 72 .......I TOTALLY agree.

At the end of the day "You are who you are". Every member of that team, or nearly every college student, is immature to a degree. But, not everyone gets kicked out of practice, repeatedly reports late for team busses, and disrespects assistant coaches. If he comes back, he will behave for a short time (just as he did after the suspensions earlier this year). However, eventually....."you are who you are". In other words, he'll be back at it again.

Let's not let this cancer destroy a very good nucleus. I say GOOD RIDDANCE D'LO!
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But at the end of the day, it's about wins and losses. And I truly believe that we have a better chance of winning if he is on our team.
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That's more than a belief - that's a fact. I agree with others that it's very possible the team would have been further along in its development if not for Harrison's recent play on (and apparently distractions off) the court. But development or no development, if Harrison is right (both in attitude and play) there is no questioning how much better he makes this team. The wheels came off the track after Cincinnati this year for whatever combination of reasons, but if you go back and look at the (efficient) productivity of his play prior to that game this year, and most of Big East play last year, relative to the team's outcome you see how critical he is.

The question is not can he help this team. The question is can he get right (both in attitude and play).
 
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and a chance to prove that he has matured. They say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and reading the quotes from his Grandmother, I would say that she was, and still is, a good role model for him. I hope he comes back with a lot more maturity and respect for his fellow players and coaches. And if he doesn't prove it, then I'm all for kicking him off the team. But I'm willing to give him a second chance.
 
72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.
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I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!
 
72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.
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I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!
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So basically recruit a 19 year old kid and if you can't reach him dump him and move on? I understand that college sports is a buisness, but your post basically throws support behind the real buisnessmen in this deal the University and coaches while basically treating the players like cattle. Lavin recruited Harrison and Nuri and you make it like Harrison some how let Lavin down? If Harrison is a pain, and by all accounts he is, Lavin is culpable in this and takes a hit as well. In this situation he is not some sort of sympathetic figure. And by the way whose fault was it that Nuri left, Harrison was a pain and we only had 5 other scholarship players?
I hope this can get worked out, but if it doesn't it is really convenient to blame Harrison while making Lavin out to be some kind of victim.
 
72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.
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I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!
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I'm going to have to agree with this.

And no one is saying the staff isn't accountable for what's going on. It's just that you can't let an attitude like DHs permeate throughout the locker room and onto other good kids.
 
I believe in second chances but third, fourth and fifth chances strain the quality of mercy.

The selfish side of me wants him back but the rest of me questions the wisdom of granting this young man yet another reprieve.
 
72 i get your concern but i have also seen my fair share of kids who either came into my classroom or my track practices and turned their crummy a** attitudes around. I defer to Lavins appraisal. If he is good with it so am I.
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I am all for giving young people second and third chances. I am not sure some here, desperate for an edge to win a game or two, understand the depth of the issue with this young man. Had it not been for Lavin's intervention last year, coach Dunlap was ready to dismiss him from the team......while Lavin was recovering from cancer surgery! Had we not had just 6 new players to compete in a brutal Big East, he would have been gone. The issue of his "maturity" was evident when Lav returned and was so bad that he was suspended...twice! I personally do NOT trust Lavin's judgment in this case since it took "other" staff to "convince" him of the damage this kid was doing. From what I heard, his erratic behavior become so bad that it destroyed his own "game" as the past month or so is witness.
Someone I know has a child attending SJ who lives in the dorms. From what they told their dad after this suspension was that he is no better to his fellow students. He is not practicing, not interacting in team activities and was given a workout schedule. Like a former member of the women's team who put her problems on others, I doubt those workouts will improve his "attitude".
I have not been a fan of his game since early in the season when I heard he was a problem. When that translated into a one man show in games, it hardened my opinion even more.
Does it say something to you when we recruit 7 top 100 kids and the entire offense is being dictated by one player? Last year Nurideen Lindsey thought he should be that player, and this year it was Harrison. You cut your losses with players with that frame of mind and replace them ASAP.
As for options, this story is less than a week old. By the April signing period his options will become clearer if we sign RJ. Trust me, if that happens, he is gone!
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I'm going to have to agree with this.

And no one is saying the staff isn't accountable for what's going on. It's just that you can't let an attitude like DHs permeate throughout the locker room and onto other good kids.
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Coaches recruit kids to win basketball games! Kids go to the best situation for them as basketball players. Obviously Harrsion became too big a pain that it over shadowed his basketball skills. I have no problem with that and Lavin hasn't made it more than that to his credit. My only issue is with people trashing the kid and claiming Lavin is trying to make him a better person. That is BS! Better person so that he can coach him and win games, yes. And that is understandable.
 
WASJU, are you saying that no coach cares about his players' well being, other than to win games? Or is it specifically Lavin who doesn't?
 
WASJU, are you saying that no coach cares about his players' well being, other than to win games? Or is it specifically Lavin who doesn't?
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I am not saying coaches don't care or Lavin in particular. There is a bottom line and that is winning. Lavin suspended Harrison becuase by all accounts he was a pain and his production was not worth the headache. Some posters were trying to say he was doing it for Harrison's own good, which is ridiculous. That is my only point. Also the better the player the more rope he is given. If Harrison were Mullin or Berry he could roll his eyes till they fell out of his head and no one would say anything and he would never be suspended.
 
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