Great news General! God Bless your mom and wishing her happy times in her 'hood. Just one more story that mat makes me realize the courage, dedication, and skills our Medical Community exhibit daily. A heartfelt thank you to all healthcare workers exposing themselves in this crisis.
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jerseyshorejohnny
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Just fyi, interesting NYT piece on potential path of Covid-19 based on recent studies. Hope the link works.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/health/coronavirus-pandemic-curve-scenarios.html?action[/URL]=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/health/coronavirus-pandemic-curve-scenarios.html?action[/URL]=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Catholic colleges and universities fight to avert fiscal disaster amid the coronavirus pandemic
[URL]https://www.americamagazine.or...universities-fight-avert-fiscal-disaster-amid[/URL]
[URL]https://www.americamagazine.or...universities-fight-avert-fiscal-disaster-amid[/URL]
beast of the east
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Welcome to the club. Many businesses with shaky finances cannot withstand the loss of revenue for a prolonged period of time. Even government is a business, running schools, healthcare agencies, etc. that are dependent on government funds to keep operating. As businesses fail, as unemployment mounts, tax revenues will sharply decline. Even without unthinkable trillion dollar aid packages, just having enough money to sustain government operations is a gigantic problem.
While it is important for our leaders at all levels to espouse confidence in the American spirit, on the imminent opening of business amid the risks, there is no question that we are headed towards collapse every single day.
Yes, we can criticize small and large decisions leaders make. But if any person has a better answer than what we've done so far in the aggregate that would have avoided this mess, they are speaking from hindsight and don't have a damned clue at what to do next that is better than what is being offered.
While it is important for our leaders at all levels to espouse confidence in the American spirit, on the imminent opening of business amid the risks, there is no question that we are headed towards collapse every single day.
Yes, we can criticize small and large decisions leaders make. But if any person has a better answer than what we've done so far in the aggregate that would have avoided this mess, they are speaking from hindsight and don't have a damned clue at what to do next that is better than what is being offered.
In the last few days two large universities in Montreal, there are four, have announced that classes will be online next year. A few other Canadian universities followed suit today. I understand that we don’t want to hear that news now but the reality is if you have a kid going off to college in late August do you want them to spend their semester in a rented apartment or doom room all the time ? No you do not, it makes little sense. Both from an economic and a social point of view. At least those schools that are coming out with their positions, as unpleasant as it may be, are giving students and families time to react. As a parent in that position I appreciate their advance position.
[quote="redmannorth" post=387157]In the last few days two large universities in Montreal, there are four, have announced that classes will be online next year. A few other Canadian universities followed suit today. I understand that we don’t want to hear that news now but the reality is if you have a kid going off to college in late August do you want them to spend their semester in a rented apartment or doom room all the time ? No you do not, it makes little sense. Both from an economic and a social point of view. At least those schools that are coming out with their positions, as unpleasant as it may be, are giving students and families time to react. As a parent in that position I appreciate their advance position.[/quote]
I totally agree. The responses from the colleges two of my kids attend have been very different. Over a month ago one of the schools voluntarily announced to parents that they would be refunding spring tuition. In the announcement they did say that some parents were already donating the refunded tuition to the school which I think is appropriate, but I was really impressed that the school which has a very small endowment, chose to do this despite the fact that classes have resumed online and the semester has continued. The other school came up with a plan to get more money, telling kids to stay in their apartments rather than go home and they would deliver meals to the students for $25/day. I hated the idea of my kid locked up in his apartment with a bunch of other kids and who knows how disciplined they would be with the social distancing. (the stories of gross roommates were already circulating before the coronavirus) The "meals" were barely enough to sustain a person and who knows who or how they were prepared, but I found it in bad taste (pun intended). I feel bad for the school's predicament but the stark contrast in approach, was definitely noted.
I totally agree. The responses from the colleges two of my kids attend have been very different. Over a month ago one of the schools voluntarily announced to parents that they would be refunding spring tuition. In the announcement they did say that some parents were already donating the refunded tuition to the school which I think is appropriate, but I was really impressed that the school which has a very small endowment, chose to do this despite the fact that classes have resumed online and the semester has continued. The other school came up with a plan to get more money, telling kids to stay in their apartments rather than go home and they would deliver meals to the students for $25/day. I hated the idea of my kid locked up in his apartment with a bunch of other kids and who knows how disciplined they would be with the social distancing. (the stories of gross roommates were already circulating before the coronavirus) The "meals" were barely enough to sustain a person and who knows who or how they were prepared, but I found it in bad taste (pun intended). I feel bad for the school's predicament but the stark contrast in approach, was definitely noted.
JohnnyFever
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That is absurd. Every 2 weeks we are getting better and better news. The curve that we wanted flattened? It flattened already. The deaths and hospitalizations are dropping a lot. LI met 5/7 criteria to start reopening phase 1 and then perhaps another month or so later phase 2 which is real estate, etc. Things are looking much better and young people who get it almost ever even have symptoms. There's no proof that they are acting as carriers either last I looked it up about a week ago. I just think we can be reasonable and instead of going into holes and taking years off our lives while killing the economy and people's retirement funds, we can be smart and take precautions but get somewhat back to normal. Wear a mask sure, wash hands, distance...there's no way to say this and not sound harsh, but the elderly and those already sick are the ones dying from this almost exclusively. They can just as easily die from an infection or flu. We were told early on the mortality rate was 2%. Turns out it was more like .02% if that. I know I can get killed in a car accident anyday or seriously injured, but I don't hide and refuse to ever drive again on the .02% chance or whatever it is that I die or get seriously injured. We can be careful but also reasonable...this is not seriously affecting the overwhelming majority of the country. It's specifically the elderly and the sick. Isolate them and let's move on with life carefully. Many of those seriously at risk are retired anyway.
L J S A
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=387167]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xTi2Uyz6Snc[/quote]
Ha ha, I actually googled it the other day to see if 1) it still existed; and 2) if it worked. Shaving most of the head was simple enough, but I left hair in the front for power alley coverage.
You'd think it would be easy enough to scissor what's only up front, but it's been an adventure getting it to look normal. Daughter told me I looked like broccoli and that I should join a Korean boy band when I first did it. Fixing it made me look like Rick Astley. So then I had to cut it again and shave some more. Looks OK if you look directly straight at me.
So I guess what I'm saying is Austour, definitely let your wife cut it. You'll never regret it. :lol:
Ha ha, I actually googled it the other day to see if 1) it still existed; and 2) if it worked. Shaving most of the head was simple enough, but I left hair in the front for power alley coverage.
You'd think it would be easy enough to scissor what's only up front, but it's been an adventure getting it to look normal. Daughter told me I looked like broccoli and that I should join a Korean boy band when I first did it. Fixing it made me look like Rick Astley. So then I had to cut it again and shave some more. Looks OK if you look directly straight at me.
So I guess what I'm saying is Austour, definitely let your wife cut it. You'll never regret it. :lol:
Mullins Revenge
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=387168]That is absurd. Every 2 weeks we are getting better and better news. The curve that we wanted flattened? It flattened already. The deaths and hospitalizations are dropping a lot. LI met 5/7 criteria to start reopening phase 1 and then perhaps another month or so later phase 2 which is real estate, etc. Things are looking much better and young people who get it almost ever even have symptoms. There's no proof that they are acting as carriers either last I looked it up about a week ago. I just think we can be reasonable and instead of going into holes and taking years off our lives while killing the economy and people's retirement funds, we can be smart and take precautions but get somewhat back to normal. Wear a mask sure, wash hands, distance...there's no way to say this and not sound harsh, but the elderly and those already sick are the ones dying from this almost exclusively. They can just as easily die from an infection or flu. We were told early on the mortality rate was 2%. Turns out it was more like .02% if that. I know I can get killed in a car accident anyday or seriously injured, but I don't hide and refuse to ever drive again on the .02% chance or whatever it is that I die or get seriously injured. We can be careful but also reasonable...this is not seriously affecting the overwhelming majority of the country. It's specifically the elderly and the sick. Isolate them and let's move on with life carefully. Many of those seriously at risk are retired anyway.[/quote]
Should have reopened weeks ago. This whole thing is ridiculous.
Should have reopened weeks ago. This whole thing is ridiculous.
NCAA won't mandate uniform return to college sports, Mark Emmert says
[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-s...niform-return-college-sports-mark-emmert-says[/URL]
[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-s...niform-return-college-sports-mark-emmert-says[/URL]
Moose
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[quote="RedStormNC" post=387174]NCAA won't mandate uniform return to college sports, Mark Emmert says
[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-s...niform-return-college-sports-mark-emmert-says[/URL][/quote]
And get ready for pure chaos.
As if we needed more evidence that the NCAA is completely lost cause.
Not advocating one way or the other but grow a pair and be proactive and try to corral the 30 or whatever conferences. Instead the Wild West will prevail.
[URL]https://www.espn.com/college-s...niform-return-college-sports-mark-emmert-says[/URL][/quote]
And get ready for pure chaos.
As if we needed more evidence that the NCAA is completely lost cause.
Not advocating one way or the other but grow a pair and be proactive and try to corral the 30 or whatever conferences. Instead the Wild West will prevail.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=387170][URL]https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/covid-19/study-puts-us-covid-19-infection-fatality-rate-13[/URL][/quote]
No way it's that high...1,400,000 cases confirmed 83,000 deaths. That translates to .05% mortality and even that is an overestimate. Hospitals are getting paid more money to report more deaths as COVID that are not actually COVID related. There are tens of millions who have not been tested yet who already have the antibodies meaning they had it and almost certainly had no idea since many have no symptoms. I know a 67 yr old who had it without realizing because he had no symptoms. When you factor those tens of millions if not more who have it without knowing and did not die it will go down way more even from the .05. We were already told that non-COVID deaths would be counted anyway. I realize many have been through some terrible times with this and it's not to be taken lightly. But this country went through the Spanish Flu and didn't even do anywhere near this shutdown. Eventually these things die out anyway after herd immunity.
No way it's that high...1,400,000 cases confirmed 83,000 deaths. That translates to .05% mortality and even that is an overestimate. Hospitals are getting paid more money to report more deaths as COVID that are not actually COVID related. There are tens of millions who have not been tested yet who already have the antibodies meaning they had it and almost certainly had no idea since many have no symptoms. I know a 67 yr old who had it without realizing because he had no symptoms. When you factor those tens of millions if not more who have it without knowing and did not die it will go down way more even from the .05. We were already told that non-COVID deaths would be counted anyway. I realize many have been through some terrible times with this and it's not to be taken lightly. But this country went through the Spanish Flu and didn't even do anywhere near this shutdown. Eventually these things die out anyway after herd immunity.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=387168]That is absurd. Every 2 weeks we are getting better and better news. The curve that we wanted flattened? It flattened already. The deaths and hospitalizations are dropping a lot. LI met 5/7 criteria to start reopening phase 1 and then perhaps another month or so later phase 2 which is real estate, etc. Things are looking much better and young people who get it almost ever even have symptoms. There's no proof that they are acting as carriers either last I looked it up about a week ago. I just think we can be reasonable and instead of going into holes and taking years off our lives while killing the economy and people's retirement funds, we can be smart and take precautions but get somewhat back to normal. Wear a mask sure, wash hands, distance...there's no way to say this and not sound harsh, but the elderly and those already sick are the ones dying from this almost exclusively. They can just as easily die from an infection or flu. We were told early on the mortality rate was 2%. Turns out it was more like .02% if that. I know I can get killed in a car accident anyday or seriously injured, but I don't hide and refuse to ever drive again on the .02% chance or whatever it is that I die or get seriously injured. We can be careful but also reasonable...this is not seriously affecting the overwhelming majority of the country. It's specifically the elderly and the sick. Isolate them and let's move on with life carefully. Many of those seriously at risk are retired anyway.[/quote] I’m not arguing for it against going back ( I’d rather be in office ) but I just had a client 71 year old doctor pass away from covid. Have 2 clients in hospital same age bracket have at least 10 clients ( not including their direct family members ) with it my 51 year old cousin got it ( mild case ) but her 25 year old daughter got it from her and was in ICU for a week and had a 53 year old friend spend about 6 weeks in ICU at Huntington hospital and was in a ventilator 3 weeks and almost died. It’s not just the sick and elderly
JohnnyFever
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=387177][quote="Mike Zaun" post=387168]That is absurd. Every 2 weeks we are getting better and better news. The curve that we wanted flattened? It flattened already. The deaths and hospitalizations are dropping a lot. LI met 5/7 criteria to start reopening phase 1 and then perhaps another month or so later phase 2 which is real estate, etc. Things are looking much better and young people who get it almost ever even have symptoms. There's no proof that they are acting as carriers either last I looked it up about a week ago. I just think we can be reasonable and instead of going into holes and taking years off our lives while killing the economy and people's retirement funds, we can be smart and take precautions but get somewhat back to normal. Wear a mask sure, wash hands, distance...there's no way to say this and not sound harsh, but the elderly and those already sick are the ones dying from this almost exclusively. They can just as easily die from an infection or flu. We were told early on the mortality rate was 2%. Turns out it was more like .02% if that. I know I can get killed in a car accident anyday or seriously injured, but I don't hide and refuse to ever drive again on the .02% chance or whatever it is that I die or get seriously injured. We can be careful but also reasonable...this is not seriously affecting the overwhelming majority of the country. It's specifically the elderly and the sick. Isolate them and let's move on with life carefully. Many of those seriously at risk are retired anyway.[/quote] I’m not arguing for it against going back ( I’d rather be in office ) but I just had a client 71 year old doctor pass away from covid. Have 2 clients in hospital same age bracket have at least 10 clients ( not including their direct family members ) with it my 51 year old cousin got it ( mild case ) but her 25 year old daughter got it from her and was in ICU for a week and had a 53 year old friend spend about 6 weeks in ICU at Huntington hospital and was in a ventilator 3 weeks and almost died. It’s not just the sick and elderly[/quote]
Really sorry to hear that. Of course everyone will be able to provide examples here and there of both sides. I'm talking more about by in large. Did the 25 yr old have a pre-existing condition? I believe something like 80+% of the deaths have been 65+ yrs old. If those who are retired and elderly quarantined and those under that went back to work with interventions in place to help minimize spread, would it really get that much worse? I mean I've been to the grocery store tons of times, been to Dunkin a lot, 7-11 for a few things, and I know it's just me and I'm 31 but I always wear a mask, wash hands before and after going anywhere even my credit cards with wipes, and I stay at least 6 ft away from anyone. Why can't most of the general population do this? Just seems like the goal post is moving a lot. First it was wash hands and don't touch face. Check. Then it was wear a mask after we were told not to. Check. Then it was flatten the curve. Check. Now many leaders are suggesting that we need to test every single person before we can even think about opening the country again? I don't know, just seems kind of ridiculous to me but that's just my opinion. Of course we should take it seriously but when is enough enough?
Really sorry to hear that. Of course everyone will be able to provide examples here and there of both sides. I'm talking more about by in large. Did the 25 yr old have a pre-existing condition? I believe something like 80+% of the deaths have been 65+ yrs old. If those who are retired and elderly quarantined and those under that went back to work with interventions in place to help minimize spread, would it really get that much worse? I mean I've been to the grocery store tons of times, been to Dunkin a lot, 7-11 for a few things, and I know it's just me and I'm 31 but I always wear a mask, wash hands before and after going anywhere even my credit cards with wipes, and I stay at least 6 ft away from anyone. Why can't most of the general population do this? Just seems like the goal post is moving a lot. First it was wash hands and don't touch face. Check. Then it was wear a mask after we were told not to. Check. Then it was flatten the curve. Check. Now many leaders are suggesting that we need to test every single person before we can even think about opening the country again? I don't know, just seems kind of ridiculous to me but that's just my opinion. Of course we should take it seriously but when is enough enough?
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=387178][quote="mjmaherjr" post=387177][quote="Mike Zaun" post=387168]That is absurd. Every 2 weeks we are getting better and better news. The curve that we wanted flattened? It flattened already. The deaths and hospitalizations are dropping a lot. LI met 5/7 criteria to start reopening phase 1 and then perhaps another month or so later phase 2 which is real estate, etc. Things are looking much better and young people who get it almost ever even have symptoms. There's no proof that they are acting as carriers either last I looked it up about a week ago. I just think we can be reasonable and instead of going into holes and taking years off our lives while killing the economy and people's retirement funds, we can be smart and take precautions but get somewhat back to normal. Wear a mask sure, wash hands, distance...there's no way to say this and not sound harsh, but the elderly and those already sick are the ones dying from this almost exclusively. They can just as easily die from an infection or flu. We were told early on the mortality rate was 2%. Turns out it was more like .02% if that. I know I can get killed in a car accident anyday or seriously injured, but I don't hide and refuse to ever drive again on the .02% chance or whatever it is that I die or get seriously injured. We can be careful but also reasonable...this is not seriously affecting the overwhelming majority of the country. It's specifically the elderly and the sick. Isolate them and let's move on with life carefully. Many of those seriously at risk are retired anyway.[/quote] I’m not arguing for it against going back ( I’d rather be in office ) but I just had a client 71 year old doctor pass away from covid. Have 2 clients in hospital same age bracket have at least 10 clients ( not including their direct family members ) with it my 51 year old cousin got it ( mild case ) but her 25 year old daughter got it from her and was in ICU for a week and had a 53 year old friend spend about 6 weeks in ICU at Huntington hospital and was in a ventilator 3 weeks and almost died. It’s not just the sick and elderly[/quote]
Really sorry to hear that. Of course everyone will be able to provide examples here and there of both sides. I'm talking more about by in large. Did the 25 yr old have a pre-existing condition? I believe something like 80+% of the deaths have been 65+ yrs old. If those who are retired and elderly quarantined and those under that went back to work with interventions in place to help minimize spread, would it really get that much worse? I mean I've been to the grocery store tons of times, been to Dunkin a lot, 7-11 for a few things, and I know it's just me and I'm 31 but I always wear a mask, wash hands before and after going anywhere even my credit cards with wipes, and I stay at least 6 ft away from anyone. Why can't most of the general population do this? Just seems like the goal post is moving a lot. First it was wash hands and don't touch face. Check. Then it was wear a mask after we were told not to. Check. Then it was flatten the curve. Check. Now many leaders are suggesting that we need to test every single person before we can even think about opening the country again? I don't know, just seems kind of ridiculous to me but that's just my opinion. Of course we should take it seriously but when is enough enough?[/quote] Nah Melissa is picture of health. Her mom my cousin too. Ironically I just texted her now to see how her husband is because they just tested him but he had no symptoms and he had antibodies. And he is big smoker and has that kind of deep smoking cough for years. I don’t know about other deaths other than the 1/3 I heard on tv from nursing homes but I’d be curious what MCN and Eric say about their past cases in their hospitals. My good friend is an administrator at Jacobi back month ago they got literally slammed by inflows and deaths and had trailers outside holding bodies. They didn’t run out of vents but at one point 90% of the patients were covid. Spoke yesterday to clients at SUNY Downstate and a hospital in Jersey and like as said on the news in general both have had big downturn in cases. Downstate was almost all covid but now reopening wings. Ironically the hospitals actually are hurting for money from this. Virtually all of them. Less elective surgery more manpower costs etc
Really sorry to hear that. Of course everyone will be able to provide examples here and there of both sides. I'm talking more about by in large. Did the 25 yr old have a pre-existing condition? I believe something like 80+% of the deaths have been 65+ yrs old. If those who are retired and elderly quarantined and those under that went back to work with interventions in place to help minimize spread, would it really get that much worse? I mean I've been to the grocery store tons of times, been to Dunkin a lot, 7-11 for a few things, and I know it's just me and I'm 31 but I always wear a mask, wash hands before and after going anywhere even my credit cards with wipes, and I stay at least 6 ft away from anyone. Why can't most of the general population do this? Just seems like the goal post is moving a lot. First it was wash hands and don't touch face. Check. Then it was wear a mask after we were told not to. Check. Then it was flatten the curve. Check. Now many leaders are suggesting that we need to test every single person before we can even think about opening the country again? I don't know, just seems kind of ridiculous to me but that's just my opinion. Of course we should take it seriously but when is enough enough?[/quote] Nah Melissa is picture of health. Her mom my cousin too. Ironically I just texted her now to see how her husband is because they just tested him but he had no symptoms and he had antibodies. And he is big smoker and has that kind of deep smoking cough for years. I don’t know about other deaths other than the 1/3 I heard on tv from nursing homes but I’d be curious what MCN and Eric say about their past cases in their hospitals. My good friend is an administrator at Jacobi back month ago they got literally slammed by inflows and deaths and had trailers outside holding bodies. They didn’t run out of vents but at one point 90% of the patients were covid. Spoke yesterday to clients at SUNY Downstate and a hospital in Jersey and like as said on the news in general both have had big downturn in cases. Downstate was almost all covid but now reopening wings. Ironically the hospitals actually are hurting for money from this. Virtually all of them. Less elective surgery more manpower costs etc
JohnnyFever
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=387179][quote="Mike Zaun" post=387178][quote="mjmaherjr" post=387177][quote="Mike Zaun" post=387168]That is absurd. Every 2 weeks we are getting better and better news. The curve that we wanted flattened? It flattened already. The deaths and hospitalizations are dropping a lot. LI met 5/7 criteria to start reopening phase 1 and then perhaps another month or so later phase 2 which is real estate, etc. Things are looking much better and young people who get it almost ever even have symptoms. There's no proof that they are acting as carriers either last I looked it up about a week ago. I just think we can be reasonable and instead of going into holes and taking years off our lives while killing the economy and people's retirement funds, we can be smart and take precautions but get somewhat back to normal. Wear a mask sure, wash hands, distance...there's no way to say this and not sound harsh, but the elderly and those already sick are the ones dying from this almost exclusively. They can just as easily die from an infection or flu. We were told early on the mortality rate was 2%. Turns out it was more like .02% if that. I know I can get killed in a car accident anyday or seriously injured, but I don't hide and refuse to ever drive again on the .02% chance or whatever it is that I die or get seriously injured. We can be careful but also reasonable...this is not seriously affecting the overwhelming majority of the country. It's specifically the elderly and the sick. Isolate them and let's move on with life carefully. Many of those seriously at risk are retired anyway.[/quote] I’m not arguing for it against going back ( I’d rather be in office ) but I just had a client 71 year old doctor pass away from covid. Have 2 clients in hospital same age bracket have at least 10 clients ( not including their direct family members ) with it my 51 year old cousin got it ( mild case ) but her 25 year old daughter got it from her and was in ICU for a week and had a 53 year old friend spend about 6 weeks in ICU at Huntington hospital and was in a ventilator 3 weeks and almost died. It’s not just the sick and elderly[/quote]
Really sorry to hear that. Of course everyone will be able to provide examples here and there of both sides. I'm talking more about by in large. Did the 25 yr old have a pre-existing condition? I believe something like 80+% of the deaths have been 65+ yrs old. If those who are retired and elderly quarantined and those under that went back to work with interventions in place to help minimize spread, would it really get that much worse? I mean I've been to the grocery store tons of times, been to Dunkin a lot, 7-11 for a few things, and I know it's just me and I'm 31 but I always wear a mask, wash hands before and after going anywhere even my credit cards with wipes, and I stay at least 6 ft away from anyone. Why can't most of the general population do this? Just seems like the goal post is moving a lot. First it was wash hands and don't touch face. Check. Then it was wear a mask after we were told not to. Check. Then it was flatten the curve. Check. Now many leaders are suggesting that we need to test every single person before we can even think about opening the country again? I don't know, just seems kind of ridiculous to me but that's just my opinion. Of course we should take it seriously but when is enough enough?[/quote] Nah Melissa is picture of health. Her mom my cousin too. Ironically I just texted her now to see how her husband is because they just tested him but he had no symptoms and he had antibodies. And he is big smoker and has that kind of deep smoking cough for years. I don’t know about other deaths other than the 1/3 I heard on tv from nursing homes but I’d be curious what MCN and Eric say about their past cases in their hospitals. My good friend is an administrator at Jacobi back month ago they got literally slammed by inflows and deaths and had trailers outside holding bodies. They didn’t run out of vents but at one point 90% of the patients were covid. Spoke yesterday to clients at SUNY Downstate and a hospital in Jersey and like as said on the news in general both have had big downturn in cases. Downstate was almost all covid but now reopening wings. Ironically the hospitals actually are hurting for money from this. Virtually all of them. Less elective surgery more manpower costs etc[/quote]
I wonder if it was a different strain the 25 yr old got. This whole thing is just so crazy...I am all for protective measures and if you're 65+ you should be extremely careful. But at the same time I'm just not sure bringing everything to a screeching halt is really the right answer at all the crazy cost. School budgets are going to be slashed, tens of millions losing jobs, businesses closing permanently. 2 of the top school bus companies on LI recently closed...permanently. I'm not an expert but just my sense FWIW. That's crazy how the heavy smoker was fine. There are people like my father who suddenly passed at 45 from smoking (stressful job didn't help) leading to a massive heart attack and then there are those who can live to 80 smoking 10x a day. Really fascinating and confusing at the same time lol. By the way sorry in advance to mods it's my fault for changing topic.
Really sorry to hear that. Of course everyone will be able to provide examples here and there of both sides. I'm talking more about by in large. Did the 25 yr old have a pre-existing condition? I believe something like 80+% of the deaths have been 65+ yrs old. If those who are retired and elderly quarantined and those under that went back to work with interventions in place to help minimize spread, would it really get that much worse? I mean I've been to the grocery store tons of times, been to Dunkin a lot, 7-11 for a few things, and I know it's just me and I'm 31 but I always wear a mask, wash hands before and after going anywhere even my credit cards with wipes, and I stay at least 6 ft away from anyone. Why can't most of the general population do this? Just seems like the goal post is moving a lot. First it was wash hands and don't touch face. Check. Then it was wear a mask after we were told not to. Check. Then it was flatten the curve. Check. Now many leaders are suggesting that we need to test every single person before we can even think about opening the country again? I don't know, just seems kind of ridiculous to me but that's just my opinion. Of course we should take it seriously but when is enough enough?[/quote] Nah Melissa is picture of health. Her mom my cousin too. Ironically I just texted her now to see how her husband is because they just tested him but he had no symptoms and he had antibodies. And he is big smoker and has that kind of deep smoking cough for years. I don’t know about other deaths other than the 1/3 I heard on tv from nursing homes but I’d be curious what MCN and Eric say about their past cases in their hospitals. My good friend is an administrator at Jacobi back month ago they got literally slammed by inflows and deaths and had trailers outside holding bodies. They didn’t run out of vents but at one point 90% of the patients were covid. Spoke yesterday to clients at SUNY Downstate and a hospital in Jersey and like as said on the news in general both have had big downturn in cases. Downstate was almost all covid but now reopening wings. Ironically the hospitals actually are hurting for money from this. Virtually all of them. Less elective surgery more manpower costs etc[/quote]
I wonder if it was a different strain the 25 yr old got. This whole thing is just so crazy...I am all for protective measures and if you're 65+ you should be extremely careful. But at the same time I'm just not sure bringing everything to a screeching halt is really the right answer at all the crazy cost. School budgets are going to be slashed, tens of millions losing jobs, businesses closing permanently. 2 of the top school bus companies on LI recently closed...permanently. I'm not an expert but just my sense FWIW. That's crazy how the heavy smoker was fine. There are people like my father who suddenly passed at 45 from smoking (stressful job didn't help) leading to a massive heart attack and then there are those who can live to 80 smoking 10x a day. Really fascinating and confusing at the same time lol. By the way sorry in advance to mods it's my fault for changing topic.
I posted the nyc stats in another thread to look over. They are mainly graphs but the numbers are available if one wants to look for them. I found some on statista and they correlate perfectly with the nyc.gov numbers. This is mostly the elderly that is effected. That does not mean there aren’t outliers. So since this disease began we have been fighting to figure out cures, vaccines and all the above. Best data I’ve found thus far amongst all the junk is NYC or New Orleans data on deaths and hospitalizations.
The nyc data in graph form is here: [URL]https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page[/URL]
If you’re looking at deaths, it basically shows that it’s very rare for the crowd that is less than 65 years old and jumps a ton after that. It also doesn’t seem that kids are good vectors for the disease, and don’t spread it easily and serious cases extremely rare.
I caution that it doesn’t mean that they don’t happen. My experience with the disease is mostly elderly, but not always. The seriousness seems to lie in possibly some genetic or possibly allele-based factor as there is no rhyme nor reason why one person gets a really bad case and another gets almost nothing. We have almost zero data on why the serious cases progress why they do, no real effective treatment either. It definitely correlates heavily with age in terms of morbidity and mortality.
I could go for a few hours but this is in a nutshell.
The nyc data in graph form is here: [URL]https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page[/URL]
If you’re looking at deaths, it basically shows that it’s very rare for the crowd that is less than 65 years old and jumps a ton after that. It also doesn’t seem that kids are good vectors for the disease, and don’t spread it easily and serious cases extremely rare.
I caution that it doesn’t mean that they don’t happen. My experience with the disease is mostly elderly, but not always. The seriousness seems to lie in possibly some genetic or possibly allele-based factor as there is no rhyme nor reason why one person gets a really bad case and another gets almost nothing. We have almost zero data on why the serious cases progress why they do, no real effective treatment either. It definitely correlates heavily with age in terms of morbidity and mortality.
I could go for a few hours but this is in a nutshell.
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