College Basketball Season

[quote="Class of 72" post=389179][quote="Sju grad 13" post=389178][quote="Mike Zaun" post=389164]1) Actually I'm white and I've been called racist slurs for having the audacity to walk through Harlem, parts of Boston, and Brooklyn. Also know a bunch of friends who have experienced this. Does that qualify for being treated unfairly or did I deserve it? Thanks look forward to response!

2) We will have a season because the COVID turned out to be mostly political we can now see unless you're elderly and/or have a major pre-existing condition.[/quote]

But have you ever had the police stop you because you didn’t look like you belong in a certain neighborhood like us black students were walking around Jamaica estates? I don’t think anybody should be treated unfairly but that’s not the world we are living in.[/quote]

Maybe you should stop stalking Lou Carnesecca. Perhaps you should have been wearing St. John's gear since the school is in the vicinity. That's an interesting story actually and we would like to know what justification the police used other than what you portend.[/quote]



Damn 72, what an ingenious way of questioning the young man's credibility, or to put it bluntly, calling him a liar.
 
Hey guys, how about we keep this thread about the College Basketball Season and avoid discussions of politics and race that should be discussed and examined elsewhere.
 
[quote="Knight" post=389183]Hey guys, how about we keep this thread about the College Basketball Season and avoid discussions of politics and race that should be discussed and examined elsewhere.[/quote]

Thread went a little off the rails with some pot shots taken, but race is going to be a big issue for next season and beyond if young black men and women start looking at the demographics of a particular school's location, and decide that they feel safer somewhere else.
 
When I started this post I was looking for opinions on moving the college basketball season to a late Dec start ending up in mid May on a permanent basis without any consideration of the virus.
 
[quote="Enright" post=389195]When I started this post I was looking for opinions on moving the college basketball season to a late Dec start ending up in mid May on a permanent basis without any consideration of the virus.[/quote]

Doesn't work unless NBA moved their season. College stars would skip half the second semester and the tournament to start getting ready for NBA.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=389179][quote="Sju grad 13" post=389178][quote="Mike Zaun" post=389164]1) Actually I'm white and I've been called racist slurs for having the audacity to walk through Harlem, parts of Boston, and Brooklyn. Also know a bunch of friends who have experienced this. Does that qualify for being treated unfairly or did I deserve it? Thanks look forward to response!

2) We will have a season because the COVID turned out to be mostly political we can now see unless you're elderly and/or have a major pre-existing condition.[/quote]

But have you ever had the police stop you because you didn’t look like you belong in a certain neighborhood like us black students were walking around Jamaica estates? I don’t think anybody should be treated unfairly but that’s not the world we are living in.[/quote]

Maybe you should stop stalking Lou Carnesecca. Perhaps you should have been wearing St. John's gear since the school is in the vicinity. That's an interesting story actually and we would like to know what justification the police used other than what you portend.[/quote]

72 I get that you have a different political view than 13 but I don't understand what motivates your reply to him. He's a fellow SJ alum, redmen fan, hell that's practically family. Yet rather than allowing the possibility that the world may be more complex and nuanced and with more abuse and bad behavior by people in positions of authority than you'd like to believe, you choose to suggest that there was some valid reason for being stopped by police while walking in Jamaica estates other than the color of his skin rather than accepting 13's account at face value? That, even though it was the City's official policy for police to stop young black men throughout that period. And even though endless numbers of black professionals, public officials, etc have indicated that it has happened to them repeatedly in their lives. And then people wonder why black Americans feel unheard, marginalized. If you had a beer with 13 and he told you his experience of being stopped by police for no reason, would you deny his experience to his face?
 
To Class of 72, we (Haraya) students were stopped by police during my junior year (11) because somebody called the police on us as we were walking to the Popeyes/B.K (You know the one) but the serious problem was we weren’t even surprised by it.

Now I’m not saying other people don’t go through racism

-Italians in the 20’s through the 80’s
-Dark skin muslims 2001-
-Asians (Particularly Japanese & Koreans) 40’s-70’s

But as an African American this has been going on forever and if you did graduate in 72 (which I have no reason to question) that means my people only had the right to vote for 8 years before you graduated college. That’s nuts.
 
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REB wrote: 72 I get that you have a different political view than 13 but I don't understand what motivates your reply to him. He's a fellow SJ alum, redmen fan, hell that's practically family. Yet rather than allowing the possibility that the world may be more complex and nuanced and with more abuse and bad behavior by people in positions of authority than you'd like to believe, you choose to suggest that there was some valid reason for being stopped by police while walking in Jamaica estates other than the color of his skin rather than accepting 13's account at face value? That, even though it was the City's official policy for police to stop young black men throughout that period. And even though endless numbers of black professionals, public officials, etc have indicated that it has happened to them repeatedly in their lives. And then people wonder why black Americans feel unheard, marginalized. If you had a beer with 13 and he told you his experience of being stopped by police for no reason, would you deny his experience to his face?

+1000 REB. To insinuate that a young black man is somehow at fault for being stopped near his college for not "belonging" in that neighborhood is far beyond my understanding. Just thankful that most Americans don't think that way.
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=389209]To Class of 72, we (Haraya) students were stopped by police during my junior year (11) because somebody called the police on us as we were walking to the Popeyes/B.K (You know the one) but the serious problem was we weren’t even surprised by it.

Now I’m not saying other people don’t go through racism

-Italians in the 20’s through the 80’s
-Dark skin muslims 2001-
-Asians (Particularly Japanese & Koreans) 40’s-70’s

But as an African American this has been going on forever and if you did graduate in 72 (which I have no reason to question) that means my people only had the right to vote for 8 years before you graduated college. That’s nuts.[/quote]

"Dead solid perfect "'13'.
Regarding Italians, the two movies that I think signaled a new era for paisanos were 'Rocky 1' ~ 1976 and 'Breaking Away' ~1979...spaghetti began to be called 'pasta' and we were off and running.
Here's praying that day comes 'today' for African Americans.
 
[quote="Enright" post=389195]When I started this post I was looking for opinions on moving the college basketball season to a late Dec start ending up in mid May on a permanent basis without any consideration of the virus.[/quote]

I have a problem with starting the college hoops season in late December. I can't wait that long. First come the basketball mags in September, and then that long month and a half wait for the non-con season to begin. Plus, since we have rarely been playing in any post season tournaments, our season won't last until May. i like the way things are. College basketball with a November start, and the Kentucky Derby the first Saturday in May.
 
Cuomo is expediting many things now reopening so can't see how we can't have regularly scheduled college hoops in November. He even said it's going better than he hoped for...so why would things continue to be shut down even as late as Nov? I'm betting the 2nd wave won't come just because of how wrong the "experts" have been on this topic so far.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=389228]Cuomo is expediting many things now reopening so can't see how we can't have regularly scheduled college hoops in November. He even said it's going better than he hoped for...so why would things continue to be shut down even as late as Nov? I'm betting the 2nd wave won't come just because of how wrong the "experts" have been on this topic so far.[/quote]

There will be a 2nd wave if the media decides they want that. And if the American public falls for it again, we could have problems.

The media needs to cause choas from now until November. I am just hoping people finally see what is being done to them and we unite for the real cause which is systemic brainwashing of the American people through the media.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=389228]Cuomo is expediting many things now reopening so can't see how we can't have regularly scheduled college hoops in November. He even said it's going better than he hoped for...so why would things continue to be shut down even as late as Nov? I'm betting the 2nd wave won't come just because of how wrong the "experts" have been on this topic so far.[/quote]

Please don't act out your bet near anyone I know or might meet. Feigning ignorance is not a legitimate approach to life.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=389222][quote="Enright" post=389195]When I started this post I was looking for opinions on moving the college basketball season to a late Dec start ending up in mid May on a permanent basis without any consideration of the virus.[/quote]

I have a problem with starting the college hoops season in late December. I can't wait that long. First come the basketball mags in September, and then that long month and a half wait for the non-con season to begin. Plus, since we have rarely been playing in any post season tournaments, our season won't last until May. i like the way things are. College basketball with a November start, and the Kentucky Derby the first Saturday in May.[/quote]

I agree that waiting until late December would be frustrating but health of players must come first. If there is a delay until first of the year or even end of January, i would posit that each conference play its regular season and post season and then the NCAA put on a true national championship tournament with all Division one teams participating. Seeding would be based on records to date and the tournament could be done on a true regional basis, not sending a team from say NYC to play opening rounds in Phoenix.
 
[quote="BrooklynRed" post=389284][quote="Ray Morgan" post=389222][quote="Enright" post=389195]When I started this post I was looking for opinions on moving the college basketball season to a late Dec start ending up in mid May on a permanent basis without any consideration of the virus.[/quote]

I have a problem with starting the college hoops season in late December. I can't wait that long. First come the basketball mags in September, and then that long month and a half wait for the non-con season to begin. Plus, since we have rarely been playing in any post season tournaments, our season won't last until May. i like the way things are. College basketball with a November start, and the Kentucky Derby the first Saturday in May.[/quote]

I agree that waiting until late December would be frustrating but health of players must come first. If there is a delay until first of the year or even end of January, i would posit that each conference play its regular season and post season and then the NCAA put on a true national championship tournament with all Division one teams participating. Seeding would be based on records to date and the tournament could be done on a true regional basis, not sending a team from say NYC to play opening rounds in Phoenix.[/quote]

I would be more concerned about the health of the coaching staffs and referees considering their advanced age in comparison to players, resulting in the greater chance of high blood pressure, etc and weakened immune systems.. That doesn't mean the health of the players doesn't count too. The numbers say they are far more likely to fight it off. Meanwhile, the chances of exposure would be there even without basketball. However, if a vaccine was likely to be ready by January, it would be wise to wait until everyone is vaccinated.
 
[quote="Its*Over*Johnny" post=389151][
"I'll take things Archie Bunker would say for $600, Alex"
A bunch of out-of-touch 1950's guys [/quote]

. . . . from Queens. LOL
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=389265][quote="Mike Zaun" post=389228]Cuomo is expediting many things now reopening so can't see how we can't have regularly scheduled college hoops in November. He even said it's going better than he hoped for...so why would things continue to be shut down even as late as Nov? I'm betting the 2nd wave won't come just because of how wrong the "experts" have been on this topic so far.[/quote]

Please don't act out your bet near anyone I know or might meet. Feigning ignorance is not a legitimate approach to life.[/quote]

Who's feigning?
 
[quote="AlBovino" post=389280]Feigning pseudo-intelligence and elitist superiority is not a legitimate approach to life either.[/quote]

Who's feigning? ;)
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=389209]To Class of 72, we (Haraya) students were stopped by police during my junior year (11) because somebody called the police on us as we were walking to the Popeyes/B.K (You know the one) but the serious problem was we weren’t even surprised by it.

Now I’m not saying other people don’t go through racism

-Italians in the 20’s through the 80’s
-Dark skin muslims 2001-
-Asians (Particularly Japanese & Koreans) 40’s-70’s

But as an African American this has been going on forever and if you did graduate in 72 (which I have no reason to question) that means my people only had the right to vote for 8 years before you graduated college. That’s nuts.[/quote]

First of all please note that the reference to stalking Lou Carnesecca who lives in Jamaica Estates was made in jest. Just as I sarcastically responded to another elitist here who inferred that I, and anyone older than his mental age, could be spotted (targeted) in Carnesecca arena by our canes. LC needs a cane to walk if you need a visual.
The question however was a serious one not because I doubted you but because you made it appear as if you were stopped and frisked because of your color and which I find abominable.
Now that you have clarified the circumstances it doesn't appear to be an indication of police wrongdoing or harrassment but, as you yourself now say, the act of a resident who called those police officers. I won't even bother to ask if any of the officers were black as this was being framed from the lenses of racism and we know that black police cannot be racist by definition but only bad cops.
So, now we know the story. Thank you.
I was stopped by cops in 1969 on Hillside Avenue across the street from a movie theater. I guess the incident could be viewed as comparable as it wasn't just (ME) but actually a group of around twenty teens, most of us inebriated, walking to an adult movie theater to attend "sex education and culture night" as part of our fraternity initiation.
Apparently, like your case, it wasn't because of police wrongdoing or harrassment but someone else's concern over a large group of teens at 11 PM. Back in those days it was what cops did in communities.
Ironically in 1969, we held a homecoming parade down Union Turnpike. Haraya had a "float" as did many other student organizations. The float also carried the king and queen of the homecoming parade. They were John Warren and his future bride. So, while we lived in different times, isn't it interesting that we had two black students who then represented a small fraction of the student population, be chosen while a half century later we old guys supposedly need to be reminded of how much things have changed.
Finally, "your" people were given the right to vote in 1870. The VRA of 1964 was an Amendment to that right to vote to end discriminatory literacy tests that suppressed the "southern black vote" by southern Democrats (DixieCrats).
Since its passage, the Voting Rights Act has been amended to include such features as the protection of voting rights for non-English speaking American citizens which my parents were and who were never given translated instructions to assist them. So, that amendment that helped your grandparents actually helped my parents also.
 
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