Champ

Congratulations to Julian Champagnie being a back-to-back First-Team All-Big East performer. 

Who was the last one?

I'm guessing Malik Sealy. 

EDIT: Boy, was I off.  Marcus Hatten and D'Lo were both 2x first teamers.
 
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He ended up being better than every single one of us thought when he signed with us. Best of luck to him in the future I'll be rooting for him
 
Have to say, I'm extremely surprised that he got 1st team. He was great last year, this year he was ridiculously unpredictable. His FG %  has dropped every year to a pretty abysmal 40% this year. No way he's making an NBA team off of this season. Seems like a great kid, but you need to produce better to make it to the next level. His shot has been off mostly all year. 
 
mjmaherjr post=461817 said:
He ended up being better than every single one of us thought when he signed with us. Best of luck to him in the future I'll be rooting for him
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Except for Brian, who called Champ an NBA prospect from early on. But even a broken clock...... lol 
 
The world is a big place and there are a lot of leagues that will provide him with a nice living. Will it be $30 million a year? No. But he can make more than a million in lots of places. If he has a long career overseas and saves his money, he comes home with enough to retire at 37.
 
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AlBovino post=461738 said:
That was a very fair and accurate assessment IDraft. Additionally, he also plays very soft. Not everyone can have Posh's agressiveness, but Champagnie plays way too cautious. He also takes too many shots. People should stop looking at how many points he scores, but look athow many shots he takes to get those points. My hope is that he does not come back. I think we will be better next year without him as long as we don't lose any other key players.
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Champagnie was recently quoted as saying the St. John's fans are crazy during a recent interview. I think he was referring to fans like this one. Hope he doesn't come back? Better without him? Wow...
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I agree , that’s a crazy statement. A starting line up next season of Posh, Pinzon, Champagnie, Wheeler and Soriano would be very good. I expect Pinzon to have a breakout season next year. Plus a second unit of King, Wusu, Storr, Stanley and Niywe. I think that would be a ranked team especially if CMA could bring in one more shooter as a transfer.

Ranked team?  Sorry, don’t see it 
 
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Room112 post=461794 said:
AlBovino post=461738 said:
That was a very fair and accurate assessment IDraft. Additionally, he also plays very soft. Not everyone can have Posh's agressiveness, but Champagnie plays way too cautious. He also takes too many shots. People should stop looking at how many points he scores, but look athow many shots he takes to get those points. My hope is that he does not come back. I think we will be better next year without him as long as we don't lose any other key players.
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Champagnie was recently quoted as saying the St. John's fans are crazy during a recent interview. I think he was referring to fans like this one. Hope he doesn't come back? Better without him? Wow...
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I believe that Champagnie's displeasure, which he immediately walked back in the very next sentence is that "expert" comments about his lack of an NBA future, lack of a consistent outside shot, shoddy defense and bad footwork, slowness, inability to rebound or create his own shot - in total when put together in an aggregate completely shred him as a player.   He is not just talking about twitter, where posters with burner accounts attack players, coaches, administration and even encourage recruits to go elsewhere, but also about here.    By crazy he means that when he scores 34 points, he will be anointed as one of our best players ever, but when his play is uneven or worse, will be criticized to no end.

Social media empowers people with no real power to say anything they wish, and to audiences with similar views who will "like" their posts the way 2nd grade boys send valentines to each other.  When called on extreme posts, they will point out their own posts which contradict their worst posts who heap praise on players and advocate patience for the coaches and administrators they advocate firing.   

The coaches and administrators can take it, because they are adults.   It doesn't make it right, and it doesn't "come with the territory".   They just know it exists, and when you sense they are keeping their distance from all fans you'll know why.

Players are a slightly different story, because negative crap gets in their head.   If you continually read that you suck at worst, and lack a ton of physical, athletic, and emotional skills to play basketball, it can get in your head.   NBA players are slightly beyond that, because they are adults, although it is not above a player to spit on a fan, or go into the stands on rare occasion.

Recruits are a whole different deal.   They and their parents scour the internet to find out as much as they can about a school and basketball program beyond what happens on their official visits and contacts with the program.   With our program, our most unhinged dissatisfied fans send them direct messages, and they do read sites like this and come armed with questions like "Is CMA really the guy?" or more directly, "I read that Coach Anderson is getting fired?  Is this happening?"   They know the answer will be know, but they will evaluate that reassurance as to whether any doubt exists.   Trust me 100% as some who knows - it doesn't help and is hurting a lot when you have to waste parts of official visits answering those questions.    
 
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nycfan post=461865 said:
Congrats Julian - 1st Team All BE, joining exclusive St John's club to do it in back to back years:

https://nypost.com/2022/03/07/st-johns-julian-champagnie-on-big-east-first-team-again/
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Season isn't over, but outside winning 4 straight games.... Julian will join the Ultra-exclusive club (he being the only member) - being the only Johnnie to make back2back 1st teams..... and NOT play in the tourney.... 

When i read that one.... felt extremely disappointed for him 
 
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Brian3 post=461869 said:
nycfan post=461865 said:
Congrats Julian - 1st Team All BE, joining exclusive St John's club to do it in back to back years:

https://nypost.com/2022/03/07/st-johns-julian-champagnie-on-big-east-first-team-again/
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Season isn't over, but outside winning 4 straight games.... Julian will join the Ultra-exclusive club (he being the only member) - being the only Johnnie to make back2back 1st teams..... and NOT play in the tourney.... 

When i read that one.... felt extremely disappointed for him 
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Clearly there was enough talent on this team to do far better then they did. Off shooting year or not, there were things that Anderson could have done with Chsmp to make him more productive. With Posh, Wheeler, Soriano and others, this should certainly have been a top 3 Big East team. I really believe that the system of play failed these kids and all of us as fans. 
 
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Champagne seems like a great kid. I hope he makes it.

However, if I had to be honest he is not an NBA talent. He does not create his own shots. He will struggle against more athletic players at the next level. Defense will be a major issue. Problem for us is, I don’t think another year here is going to help him. He might benefit by spending some time in the GLeague. In his case, the only way for him to develop so he can realize his dream is to play against those types of players night in and night out.
 
I think for Champ and many kids the goal of playing in the NBA is enough .  If they get into the first 2 Rounds of the draft , it can mean a Million $$$$ or more .   Harkless was a 1 and done and was. 1 st round choice . He’s made Multi Millions in his Career as a journeyman player with several teams . He’s not and likely won’t ever be a All Star but , he’s made enough to take care of his Family for generations .  If Champ plays 1/2 as long as Mo, he will make enough for his lifetime .   That’s enough for many of the wanna be NBA players .   And , why not ? 
 
SLYFOXX1968 post=465502 said:
I think for Champ and many kids the goal of playing in the NBA is enough .  If they get into the first 2 Rounds of the draft , it can mean a Million $$$$ or more .   Harkless was a 1 and done and was. 1 st round choice . He’s made Multi Millions in his Career as a journeyman player with several teams . He’s not and likely won’t ever be a All Star but , he’s made enough to take care of his Family for generations .  If Champ plays 1/2 as long as Mo, he will make enough for his lifetime .   That’s enough for many of the wanna be NBA players .   And , why not ? 

I totally get the desire to make $.  Who wouldn’t want that. But for a kid like Champagnie, this will likely be the last time he will be “the man” on a big stage.  At best, he’ll be a role player in the NBA or perhaps a star in some inconsequential league abroad.  For a competitive kid who loves the game, I would think it would be hard  for him to forego the opportunity to continue to be the man, particularly when he came up short this year.

I understand it’s 99 percent sure he’s  gone, but it still surprises me how so many of these kids leave early never to be stars again.  In college football, a far more physically dangerous sport, it’s not uncommon to see stars rerun bc they love the college experience. I guess basketball is more of an individualistic sport.
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sjc88 post=465364 said:
Champagne seems like a great kid. I hope he makes it.

However, if I had to be honest he is not an NBA talent. He does not create his own shots. He will struggle against more athletic players at the next level. Defense will be a major issue. Problem for us is, I don’t think another year here is going to help him. He might benefit by spending some time in the GLeague. In his case, the only way for him to develop so he can realize his dream is to play against those types of players night in and night out.
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He's a different position, but could Ryan Arcidiacono get off his shot?  He's made $8mm in the NBA already. Arguably for the position, you have been even more athletic to make it in the NBA.

If Champaganie works out like crazy and keeps on honing his shot, his step back moves / post post moves / and moves to the basket, he can make it.  It's not for sure, but he's got a legit shot.
 
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Ron harper jr declared today.  I know freeman liberty declared already.

Any reason Champy hasnt declared yet?  Does each day that passes that he doesnt declare mean the chanes of him returning increase?
 
Duke of Earlington post=465626 said:
Ron harper jr declared today.  I know freeman liberty declared already.

Any reason Champy hasnt declared yet?  Does each day that passes that he doesnt declare mean the chanes of him returning increase?
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He still has another month . . .
 
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