Bucknell game

Im not saying Bucknell isn't good. But they were picked to finish 4th in a mediocre, Patriot league.
 
I think playing strictly off the ball could do wonders for Greene.

His two catch and shot opportunities in the 2nd half looked so smooth (from a Sanchez drive/kickout and a D'Lo back and forth pass).
 
Thoughts on last nights game:

-Phil Greene absolutely saved us last night as did the switch to a zone. There is a very low ceiling for this team if we're going to be an atrocious three point shooting team. Teams will continue to pack in a zone.

-The midrange jumpshot is the worst shot in college basketball and that is what our halfcourt offense is based on right now. We have to hit our share of threes in order to get driving and cutting lanes within 12 feet of the rim.

-Orlando Sanchez is wayyyyy too skilled to be used solely as a screener and gap guy at the top of the key. He was tremendous at Monroe College of playing with his back to the basket at the high post, finding cutters and squaring up. He needs to have his role better defined in our halfcourt offense.

-Rysheed Jordan had a string of three really good possessions in a row in the first half then got taken out at the 12 minute mark. Not sure why, because he had great momentum starting to build. Still, if struggles continue these next few games you have to worry if his head is right.

-Our perimeter defense in man-to-man was awful. Our guards need to work on providing tougher angles to the rim when playing one-on-one. It was way too easy for Bucknell's guards last night.

That Bucknell team definitely was not a sweet 16 caliber team but they're definitely a tournament team. Glad we pulled it out and hopefully it looks good come resume time.
 
It was frustrating to watch three quarters of the game when you think it was top 100 guys against a team that's in a league that doesn't give out scholarships. On the other hand, Bucknell is really good and well coached.

Unfortunately for them, so are we. Kudos for Lavin and crew.

Kudos also for Greene IV, who's taken his share of crap from posters including yours truly. We'll see how many games it'll take before he's back in the doghouse. Hopefully, he's arrived.

This was a good win against a team that's far from being a cupcake.

Bucknell Players are scholarship players, 13 of them to be exact. They aren't in the Ivy league.
My brother was a wrestler and went to Colgate [Patriot league, same as Bucknell]. They didn't give athletic scholis, but they gave financial aid. Cost him the equivilant of a state school.

All league schools have been giving basketball scholarships since around 2002. Maybe your brother attended Colgate prior to 2002.
 
Maybe I missed something. Everyone is asking why we didn't pound the ball inside. CO and, to a lesser extent, Orlando both tried to post up but Bucknell's zone collapsed inside and really took away any interior scoring. They gave us open jumpers that we consistently missed until Phil caught fire. If we tried to force the ball inside, it would have reaulted in turnovers. Teams know that we are not a good shooting team and Bucknell did a good job taking away the inside post up game and clogging the driving lanes.

So you are basically saying that we are doomed against the Syracuse zone which is the best in the nation and to sell our tickets to Cuse fans.
Do you really think that a post up move is the only offenseive play against a zone as an interior play? We lack spacing and ball movement. Sampson, Greene, Harrison and Pointer are three years out of high school and Sanchez is going on 25. We need to play with smarts and we are not. I suggest you watch a tape of the Syracuse-St. Francis game to see how Braicca prepared for the "zone".

I have no idea what St. Francis did against Syracuse. Neither am I suggesting we are doomed against them. My point is that the defense last night packed it inside, took away the entry pass and allowed us to shoot mid-range to long jumpers. Unfortunately, we missed many. On another night, Dlo may hit 10 out of 15 and we win easily. Syracuse's 2-3 doesn't necessarily take away the interior. If anything, imo, they defend the exterior real well (at least in the past) due to their length in the backcourt. I think the best way to attack Cuse is to put a big in the high post just inside the foul line for the entry pass and for him to look for cutters on the baseline. I don't know how good their bigs are defensively this year but I would attack them on the interior rather than from the outside. I would also look to drive into the paint and look for the open man if a defender comes to help.

You made some very astute observations regarding the Cuse zone and I happen to agree. Their zone does spend a lot of energy on the perimeter. But the reason SFC played them even throughout the game is they had a "plan" and they executed it. BTW, Braicca staffed both the high and low post (their bigs were 6'6) and pushed the ball to the corners for shots.
Now, what was our plan? Yes, the Bison played a tight zone but left the corners open all night. We spent a lot of time and energy dribbling around the perimeter as usual and rarely tried to use Sanchez and Sampson to post anybody. I know we may have been sold a bit of hype on Max but when it became obvious the corners were going to be open all night, he gets no burn against a team using four defenders within 10 feet of the basket. Yes, I agree that if D'Lo hit a couple of long ones the Bison defense would have likely changed quicker and we could have pushed the ball more but having Branch, Pointer or Sampson taking threes was counterproductive. If Lav was going to experiment with Max, last night was a missed opportunity.
 
It was frustrating to watch three quarters of the game when you think it was top 100 guys against a team that's in a league that doesn't give out scholarships. On the other hand, Bucknell is really good and well coached.

Unfortunately for them, so are we. Kudos for Lavin and crew.

Kudos also for Greene IV, who's taken his share of crap from posters including yours truly. We'll see how many games it'll take before he's back in the doghouse. Hopefully, he's arrived.

This was a good win against a team that's far from being a cupcake.

Bucknell Players are scholarship players, 13 of them to be exact. They aren't in the Ivy league.
My brother was a wrestler and went to Colgate [Patriot league, same as Bucknell]. They didn't give athletic scholis, but they gave financial aid. Cost him the equivilant of a state school.

All league schools have been giving basketball scholarships since around 2002. Maybe your brother attended Colgate prior to 2002.

Correct, basketball was the first sport they gave scholarships for, and that began in 1998. Feinstein's book came right after that
 
A couple of thoughts...

1) It was entirely foreseeable to anyone who was paying attention that there would be little or no playing time available for Max and Marco, so stop whining about not seeing them out there. There just are only so many minutes available, and D'angelo is locked in at 30+ as your shooting guard. And, the two of them just aren't good enough to take minutes away from Dom, Jordan, Phil etc.
We don't need a three-point rotation, we need our normal starters (who also contribute by playing defense, passing, and dribbling) to hit their shots when they take open 3's. Harrison, Sanchez, Greene, Jordan, even Dom can hit 3's if they set their feet and square up. None of them are going to shoot 40%, but that's ok.
Our shooting issues need to be solved by those guys getting set and taking shots that are in rhythm.


2) I don't think Jamal Branch is as limited as most people apparently think. The alley-oop was ill advised, but the truth is Sampson was open and their timing was just a bit off. Branch is the fastest guy on the team, our best man to man defender, and probably the best ball handler on the team. He definitely has an important role to play, and I would not be surprised at all if he were to break out in the next month.
Everyone says they see skill in Sanchez and Jordan, but they're off to slow starts; the same could be said for Branch.

" Branch is the fastest guy on the team."
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Not even close.


And Dom is the best man-to-man defender on the squad

I actually think that DLO is the best man to man defensive guard that we have. He gets lost sometimes off the ball but when its his man vs him he does a good job. And that's not really a surprise because when it comes to playing defense, being smart is huge, and when it comes to our team, DLO is as smart as it gets.

He got roasted on more than one occasion by #3 last night off the dribble.

I didn't say he was great I said he was our best. Can you show me a guard on our team who didn't get burnt last night?
 
Thoughts on last nights game:

-Phil Greene absolutely saved us last night as did the switch to a zone. There is a very low ceiling for this team if we're going to be an atrocious three point shooting team. Teams will continue to pack in a zone.

-The midrange jumpshot is the worst shot in college basketball and that is what our halfcourt offense is based on right now. We have to hit our share of threes in order to get driving and cutting lanes within 12 feet of the rim.

-Orlando Sanchez is wayyyyy too skilled to be used solely as a screener and gap guy at the top of the key. He was tremendous at Monroe College of playing with his back to the basket at the high post, finding cutters and squaring up. He needs to have his role better defined in our halfcourt offense.

-Rysheed Jordan had a string of three really good possessions in a row in the first half then got taken out at the 12 minute mark. Not sure why, because he had great momentum starting to build. Still, if struggles continue these next few games you have to worry if his head is right.

-Our perimeter defense in man-to-man was awful. Our guards need to work on providing tougher angles to the rim when playing one-on-one. It was way too easy for Bucknell's guards last night.

That Bucknell team definitely was not a sweet 16 caliber team but they're definitely a tournament team. Glad we pulled it out and hopefully it looks good come resume time.

Been awhile since I posted but I have been have continued to read. Jumped right to the end of this thread and this is pretty good anaysis here. Season ticket holder who attended this game.

Phil and the zone did win us this game.

Jordan's limited minutes was directly related to Phils great play. He made me eat my words when I expressed to my father that I felt his game was limited. Being fair, Phil was absolutely fantastic. His stroke looked sweet and the baskets he hit turned the tide. We all hope to see more of this from Phil. It gives us another dimension and weapon. Would still like to see him get in the lane and dish more for his teammates.

Man D was weak and Bucknell made them pay. That said, glad our staff made the adjustment. Bucknell did not have an answer. Very disciplined teams like that running that type of system can make a team like ours look bad.

Sanchez. It is early. And he has been passive. But he has had 3 games of D1 ball. Let's see how he develops. Had a little hook and a nice pump from the perimeter, baseline drive and flush. But he does not take a lot of shots. Played solid D. Blocked 4 shots I believe. Behind Harrison, Jakarr and Jordan, in the long haul, I see him as our # 4 scoring option.

In summary. Pointer is invaluable. 6 boards. 6 assists. He is good for blocks and steals. If we can just button up the mid range jumper... Jakarr was solid. I actually thought he played with his back to the basket more than I have ever seen him do. Bucknell was doubling. And solid game. Branch hit a few mid range jumpers. One on the break. I would also like him to penetrate more. Obie was Obie. I like what I see so far. Had the one strong move in the post with a vicious dunk. No Burrell 3 head fake. Just gather go up and go strong. Like someone else said, Hooper and Marco will play when Lavin is comfortable. I just hope they earn it because we can use some help from the perimeter.

Hope to back soon.
 
Two turning points that i saw from sec 3 row g . early in second half jakar sampson demanding the ball down low and playing at a distinctly higher level of intensity than i've ever seen from him # 2 The move to a 2-3 zone and then to a 1-2-2 with sanchez and obekpa down low .
 
Thoughts on last nights game:

-Phil Greene absolutely saved us last night as did the switch to a zone. There is a very low ceiling for this team if we're going to be an atrocious three point shooting team. Teams will continue to pack in a zone.

-The midrange jumpshot is the worst shot in college basketball and that is what our halfcourt offense is based on right now. We have to hit our share of threes in order to get driving and cutting lanes within 12 feet of the rim.

-Orlando Sanchez is wayyyyy too skilled to be used solely as a screener and gap guy at the top of the key. He was tremendous at Monroe College of playing with his back to the basket at the high post, finding cutters and squaring up. He needs to have his role better defined in our halfcourt offense.

-Rysheed Jordan had a string of three really good possessions in a row in the first half then got taken out at the 12 minute mark. Not sure why, because he had great momentum starting to build. Still, if struggles continue these next few games you have to worry if his head is right.

-Our perimeter defense in man-to-man was awful. Our guards need to work on providing tougher angles to the rim when playing one-on-one. It was way too easy for Bucknell's guards last night.

That Bucknell team definitely was not a sweet 16 caliber team but they're definitely a tournament team. Glad we pulled it out and hopefully it looks good come resume time.
TRab...I just said the same thing on the other site re: Sanchez...He is our most skilled player period -- offensively or defensively..I watched recorded version of game and rewound to focus on certain plays...he has great instincts, doesn't force shots when they aren't there and really closes out on his man quickly...

IMHO...I think he should be our go to guy when a hoop is needed..5-6 shots is wasting him when we have 2-3 guys regularly hoisting up 12-13...
 
Thoughts on last nights game:

-Phil Greene absolutely saved us last night as did the switch to a zone. There is a very low ceiling for this team if we're going to be an atrocious three point shooting team. Teams will continue to pack in a zone.

-The midrange jumpshot is the worst shot in college basketball and that is what our halfcourt offense is based on right now. We have to hit our share of threes in order to get driving and cutting lanes within 12 feet of the rim.

-Orlando Sanchez is wayyyyy too skilled to be used solely as a screener and gap guy at the top of the key. He was tremendous at Monroe College of playing with his back to the basket at the high post, finding cutters and squaring up. He needs to have his role better defined in our halfcourt offense.

-Rysheed Jordan had a string of three really good possessions in a row in the first half then got taken out at the 12 minute mark. Not sure why, because he had great momentum starting to build. Still, if struggles continue these next few games you have to worry if his head is right.

-Our perimeter defense in man-to-man was awful. Our guards need to work on providing tougher angles to the rim when playing one-on-one. It was way too easy for Bucknell's guards last night.

That Bucknell team definitely was not a sweet 16 caliber team but they're definitely a tournament team. Glad we pulled it out and hopefully it looks good come resume time.
TRab...I just said the same thing on the other site re: Sanchez...He is our most skilled player period -- offensively or defensively..I watched recorded version of game and rewound to focus on certain plays...he has great instincts, doesn't force shots when they aren't there and really closes out on his man quickly...

IMHO...I think he should be our go to guy when a hoop is needed..5-6 shots is wasting him when we have 2-3 guys regularly hoisting up 12-13...

One play that hasn't been talked about much on here but was one of the most impressive of the game was Primo's shot fake at the 3 point line and drive for 2 hand dunk in traffic. That was a serious move. To TR's point, he needs more touches in the high and mid post. It's a little tougher when they are in zone, but the more we can make defenses react to his versatility the more other things are going to open up.

We used Brownlee this way 4 years ago - it's difficult to stop a 6'8"/9" guy who knows how to both make a play for himself and for others. They play off at 15-17 feet he makes that shot. They play up he can go by. They bring 2 he makes the right pass. We haven't really had the opportunity yet because of all the zone we've seen but you want to put defenses in a position where they are forced to make these decisions.
 
Thoughts on last nights game:

-Phil Greene absolutely saved us last night as did the switch to a zone. There is a very low ceiling for this team if we're going to be an atrocious three point shooting team. Teams will continue to pack in a zone.

-The midrange jumpshot is the worst shot in college basketball and that is what our halfcourt offense is based on right now. We have to hit our share of threes in order to get driving and cutting lanes within 12 feet of the rim.

-Orlando Sanchez is wayyyyy too skilled to be used solely as a screener and gap guy at the top of the key. He was tremendous at Monroe College of playing with his back to the basket at the high post, finding cutters and squaring up. He needs to have his role better defined in our halfcourt offense.

-Rysheed Jordan had a string of three really good possessions in a row in the first half then got taken out at the 12 minute mark. Not sure why, because he had great momentum starting to build. Still, if struggles continue these next few games you have to worry if his head is right.

-Our perimeter defense in man-to-man was awful. Our guards need to work on providing tougher angles to the rim when playing one-on-one. It was way too easy for Bucknell's guards last night.

That Bucknell team definitely was not a sweet 16 caliber team but they're definitely a tournament team. Glad we pulled it out and hopefully it looks good come resume time.

Can you explain why the mid range jumpshot is the "worst shot in college basketball"??
 
Thoughts on last nights game:

-Phil Greene absolutely saved us last night as did the switch to a zone. There is a very low ceiling for this team if we're going to be an atrocious three point shooting team. Teams will continue to pack in a zone.

-The midrange jumpshot is the worst shot in college basketball and that is what our halfcourt offense is based on right now. We have to hit our share of threes in order to get driving and cutting lanes within 12 feet of the rim.

-Orlando Sanchez is wayyyyy too skilled to be used solely as a screener and gap guy at the top of the key. He was tremendous at Monroe College of playing with his back to the basket at the high post, finding cutters and squaring up. He needs to have his role better defined in our halfcourt offense.

-Rysheed Jordan had a string of three really good possessions in a row in the first half then got taken out at the 12 minute mark. Not sure why, because he had great momentum starting to build. Still, if struggles continue these next few games you have to worry if his head is right.

-Our perimeter defense in man-to-man was awful. Our guards need to work on providing tougher angles to the rim when playing one-on-one. It was way too easy for Bucknell's guards last night.

That Bucknell team definitely was not a sweet 16 caliber team but they're definitely a tournament team. Glad we pulled it out and hopefully it looks good come resume time.

Can you explain why the mid range jumpshot is the "worst shot in college basketball"??

3 feet further in and it's worth the same. 3 feet further out and it's worth 1 more point.

Now an open midrange jumper in rhythm is a different story. But more than half of the ones we take are not of that variety.
 
Thoughts on last nights game:

-Phil Greene absolutely saved us last night as did the switch to a zone. There is a very low ceiling for this team if we're going to be an atrocious three point shooting team. Teams will continue to pack in a zone.

-The midrange jumpshot is the worst shot in college basketball and that is what our halfcourt offense is based on right now. We have to hit our share of threes in order to get driving and cutting lanes within 12 feet of the rim.

-Orlando Sanchez is wayyyyy too skilled to be used solely as a screener and gap guy at the top of the key. He was tremendous at Monroe College of playing with his back to the basket at the high post, finding cutters and squaring up. He needs to have his role better defined in our halfcourt offense.

-Rysheed Jordan had a string of three really good possessions in a row in the first half then got taken out at the 12 minute mark. Not sure why, because he had great momentum starting to build. Still, if struggles continue these next few games you have to worry if his head is right.

-Our perimeter defense in man-to-man was awful. Our guards need to work on providing tougher angles to the rim when playing one-on-one. It was way too easy for Bucknell's guards last night.

That Bucknell team definitely was not a sweet 16 caliber team but they're definitely a tournament team. Glad we pulled it out and hopefully it looks good come resume time.

Can you explain why the mid range jumpshot is the "worst shot in college basketball"??

3 feet further in and it's worth the same. 3 feet further out and it's worth 1 more point.

Now an open midrange jumper in rhythm is a different story. But more than half of the ones we take are not of that variety.

3 feet further in and it might get blocked. 3 feet further out and you might be out of your range.

I'd rather Jakarr take a 16 footer than step out to the three point line.
 
Thoughts on last nights game:

-Phil Greene absolutely saved us last night as did the switch to a zone. There is a very low ceiling for this team if we're going to be an atrocious three point shooting team. Teams will continue to pack in a zone.

-The midrange jumpshot is the worst shot in college basketball and that is what our halfcourt offense is based on right now. We have to hit our share of threes in order to get driving and cutting lanes within 12 feet of the rim.

-Orlando Sanchez is wayyyyy too skilled to be used solely as a screener and gap guy at the top of the key. He was tremendous at Monroe College of playing with his back to the basket at the high post, finding cutters and squaring up. He needs to have his role better defined in our halfcourt offense.

-Rysheed Jordan had a string of three really good possessions in a row in the first half then got taken out at the 12 minute mark. Not sure why, because he had great momentum starting to build. Still, if struggles continue these next few games you have to worry if his head is right.

-Our perimeter defense in man-to-man was awful. Our guards need to work on providing tougher angles to the rim when playing one-on-one. It was way too easy for Bucknell's guards last night.

That Bucknell team definitely was not a sweet 16 caliber team but they're definitely a tournament team. Glad we pulled it out and hopefully it looks good come resume time.

Can you explain why the mid range jumpshot is the "worst shot in college basketball"??

3 feet further in and it's worth the same. 3 feet further out and it's worth 1 more point.

Now an open midrange jumper in rhythm is a different story. But more than half of the ones we take are not of that variety.

3 feet further in and it might get blocked. 3 feet further out and you might be out of your range.

I'd rather Jakarr take a 16 footer than step out to the three point line.

That's why I put the second paragraph. And agree with you regarding Jakarr, but you know what I would rather him do? Take a shot inside the paint, try to dunk it down their throats.
 
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