Big East Name May Hold Us Back
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Kansas and Kentucky offer History of Hip Hop, Theory of Sports, and a host of other advanced courses for their ball players. UNC probably not far behind from recent investigations but Duke has highly competitive courses that ballers have to navigate. Coach K, ever scrupulous and jealous, has started taking a page from the Calipari recruiting handbook by going after 1 and dones since few 5 star players in the future can survive 4 years of Duke academics or stay in college. At the above schools every player is recruited over every other year anticipating departures. Not so at SJU where staff seems to spend more time recruiting over the Internet than in person.
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I hope they get Mahoneyed!
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We could have UCONN back in a second if we wanted them. We don't want them though.
Here's what will hold us back: We suck and we have basically been irrelevant for more than a decade. While our posters talk about how bad programs like DePaul and Seton Hall are, they fail to realize that there is no functional difference between them and us.
It's not the league, it's St John's.
If we didn't play in this league called the big east we would probably get only one or two NCAA bids.The big east is horrible. Creighton and Nova the cream of the league? Thats two very flawed teams that could easily be knocked out in the first round. Creighton is a one man team obviously and Nova is a cold shooting night away from being blown out by anyone. I think the big east will be lucky to get three NCAA bids
I would rather we struggle as a league than to tolerate the dictates of football schools. That was and will always be a lose/lose relationship. The BIG EAST is going through growing pains but I think they will come out as a premier conference. Growing through is sucks.
I think people on this board dont realize or seem to forget that UCONN (having failed to gain a ticket to the ACC) would love to join the BE. With a condition that they take their football and play elsewhere, I dont see a problem with that and I think it would be a good thing for the Conference even though I despise UCONN and it would probably give them a better hold on recruiting again. Then Fox can tell the BE who else to select and there would be 12 teams which I think is enough as we dont play BCS football
Which is why I now endorse Newsie's 48 team mega conference idea. That conference could get a record 10 teams into the dance.
I don't know about 48 teams, but a mega conference made up of big city teams would create more of a buzz than a mediocre Big East. If the conference stays as is, the top ballers will continue to choose the top major conferences over the mid majors. The BE is mid major. Some Big East schools have recruited well. That's mostly because the perception of the conference hasn't changed much. Three or fewer bids over the next couple of years will change that.
That will make it harder for us to recruit as well.
Couldn't agree more, dee. As much as I hate PUKON, if we could get them to commit to playing basketball in the BE, and they stick to that commitment, I am all for bringing them back. As an aside, they will never be a big time football program.
Yes, but that "out clause" should be one that is so damn expensive, or one that can only be exercised under extenuating circumstances (like the dissolution of the entire BE!). Again, they will never be a big time college football program.
Which is why I now endorse Newsie's 48 team mega conference idea. That conference could get a record 10 teams into the dance.
I don't know about 48 teams, but a mega conference made up of big city teams would create more of a buzz than a mediocre Big East. If the conference stays as is, the top ballers will continue to choose the top major conferences over the mid majors. The BE is mid major. Some Big East schools have recruited well. That's mostly because the perception of the conference hasn't changed much. Three or fewer bids over the next couple of years will change that.
That will make it harder for us to recruit as well.
Why would any team in the BE now want to split the tv money with 47 other teams? In what bizzarro world would that make sense?
the BE will expand if it makes financial sense. The added revenue you would get from televising all these mediocre teams would never come close to offsetting having to split the pot with so many other teams. SJU would end up with 500k a year instead of $5mil.
Not to mention as weak as the BE might be, you just water down the brand more by adding all these lesser known teams.
How many teams would actually add value to the BE, maybe 10? And I think that's pushing it. But to add them you would also end up adding the Qunnipiac's and Wyomings.
The 48 team league is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. At that point why are you even in Div 1 NCAA? Make your own division and play for the 1AA trophy like football schools do. Stupid
Which is why I now endorse Newsie's 48 team mega conference idea. That conference could get a record 10 teams into the dance.
I don't know about 48 teams, but a mega conference made up of big city teams would create more of a buzz than a mediocre Big East. If the conference stays as is, the top ballers will continue to choose the top major conferences over the mid majors. The BE is mid major. Some Big East schools have recruited well. That's mostly because the perception of the conference hasn't changed much. Three or fewer bids over the next couple of years will change that.
That will make it harder for us to recruit as well.
Why would any team in the BE now want to split the tv money with 47 other teams? In what bizzarro world would that make sense?
the BE will expand if it makes financial sense. The added revenue you would get from televising all these mediocre teams would never come close to offsetting having to split the pot with so many other teams. SJU would end up with 500k a year instead of $5mil.
Not to mention as weak as the BE might be, you just water down the brand more by adding all these lesser known teams.
How many teams would actually add value to the BE, maybe 10? And I think that's pushing it. But to add them you would also end up adding the Qunnipiac's and Wyomings.
The 48 team league is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. At that point why are you even in Div 1 NCAA? Make your own division and play for the 1AA trophy like football schools do. Stupid
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sorry fellas, i respect your opinions but i disagree with you all. Im actually happy where the league is now. Creighton and Xavier have been really strong this year and Butler is gonna get better. I like the fact that we are not sitting on the edge waiting to see what school will leave next or who we need to recuit to replace that school. We kept the name and we kept a really good core group of basketball schools. The addition of another team can be risky if its not a perfect fit. I think if Providence, Seton Hall, and St Johns pulled their weight in the non conference games, the Big East would get more praise. Also, one of the most important things to remember, and ive said this before, ESPN does NOT want us to become a power conference. We are part of Fox now, they will always be ACC biased. Look at Bilas and Dickey V. Its like pulling teeth for they to say something positive about the BE. Stay positive guys, we kept the name, we kept most of the core schools, and we got a TV deal. Now we just need to win!