Big East Name May Hold Us Back

I just think we need to look to expand. Since it appears we are restricted to non D-1 football schools, there are only a few viable options. 10 teams isn't enough. People who think 5 bids are coming from this league annually are dreaming. This is a 3=4 bid league if things stay this way. That doesn't bode well for us.
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What's the difference between a 5 bid 13-team league and a 3 bid 10-team league? I don't really see a difference.
Nor do I think we should really concentrate on the stregnth of the conference, it's going to be what it is.
We're never going to approach the strength of the ACC or Big10 anymore, but who cares? We'll be what we are - a good, but not great basketball conference.
 
Fox Sports 1 will play a huge role in this.

If the Creighton/Villanova game had been on ESPN, it would've been talked about for days.

Also, we need to get a Big East team to at the very least Sweet 16.

If we don't, I'm sure Ackerman will think harder about expanding.
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A lot hinges on if those possible teams start making Butler and VCU esque runs. That will push the envelope.
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Other side of the coin says a quick out by Villanova would be crippling.
 
I just think we need to look to expand. Since it appears we are restricted to non D-1 football schools, there are only a few viable options. 10 teams isn't enough. People who think 5 bids are coming from this league annually are dreaming. This is a 3=4 bid league if things stay this way. That doesn't bode well for us.
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What's the difference between a 5 bid 13-team league and a 3 bid 10-team league? I don't really see a difference.
Nor do I think we should really concentrate on the stregnth of the conference, it's going to be what it is.
We're never going to approach the strength of the ACC or Big10 anymore, but who cares? We'll be what we are - a good, but not great basketball conference.
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I definitely think we SHOULD concentrate on the strength of our conference. If that isn't a priority then FOX Sports1 will be hurting in a big way. It's encouraging that teams like SHU were able to land some nice recruits this fall but even that well will eventually dry up if we can't improve our overall profile.

And the difference between a 5 bid 13-team league and a 3 bid 10-team league is we'd have 2 extra bids!!!!! Simple math dude
 
I just think we need to look to expand. Since it appears we are restricted to non D-1 football schools, there are only a few viable options. 10 teams isn't enough. People who think 5 bids are coming from this league annually are dreaming. This is a 3=4 bid league if things stay this way. That doesn't bode well for us.
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What's the difference between a 5 bid 13-team league and a 3 bid 10-team league? I don't really see a difference.
Nor do I think we should really concentrate on the stregnth of the conference, it's going to be what it is.
We're never going to approach the strength of the ACC or Big10 anymore, but who cares? We'll be what we are - a good, but not great basketball conference.
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I definitely think we SHOULD concentrate on the strength of our conference. If that isn't a priority then FOX Sports1 will be hurting in a big way. It's encouraging that teams like SHU were able to land some nice recruits this fall but even that well will eventually dry up if we can't improve our overall profile.

And the difference between a 5 bid 13-team league and a 3 bid 10-team league is we'd have 2 extra bids!!!!! Simple math dude
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How do those 2 extra bids help SJU? They would go to VCU and Wichita St right? We're no more likely to make the tournament than we are now.
What am I missing Sirvoo ?
 
fellas, the ONLY thing holding us ( The Big East ) back is ESPN. If you think they want ANY of our schools to succeed, your crazy. Support Fox Sports and your ultimately supporting the Big East. I for one am glad they had the balls to give the BE a contract. Thanks fox. If they BE schools fair well in the big dance ESPN will be stewing.
 
I just think we need to look to expand. Since it appears we are restricted to non D-1 football schools, there are only a few viable options. 10 teams isn't enough. People who think 5 bids are coming from this league annually are dreaming. This is a 3=4 bid league if things stay this way. That doesn't bode well for us.
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What's the difference between a 5 bid 13-team league and a 3 bid 10-team league? I don't really see a difference.
Nor do I think we should really concentrate on the stregnth of the conference, it's going to be what it is.
We're never going to approach the strength of the ACC or Big10 anymore, but who cares? We'll be what we are - a good, but not great basketball conference.
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I definitely think we SHOULD concentrate on the strength of our conference. If that isn't a priority then FOX Sports1 will be hurting in a big way. It's encouraging that teams like SHU were able to land some nice recruits this fall but even that well will eventually dry up if we can't improve our overall profile.

And the difference between a 5 bid 13-team league and a 3 bid 10-team league is we'd have 2 extra bids!!!!! Simple math dude
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How do those 2 extra bids help SJU? They would go to VCU and Wichita St right? We're no more likely to make the tournament than we are now.
What am I missing Sirvoo ?
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We could be the recipient of one of those bids. But generally what I'm talking about is 5bids >3 bids which equals more exposure for the conference. In turn that creates more opportunities for success, such as getting two teams in the Elite 8 and improving our overall profile. Make those bloody idiots at ESPN talk about us!
 
Xavier also has a loaded recruiting class coming in , I think it's a top 10 class . With those recruits and the players coming back Xavier is going to be really good these next few years .
 
Need 4 bids still IMO. Less can be considered a failed 1st season.
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Four bids for a 10 team league is pretty good IMO. We are not the BIG and more like the A10 now so unless we raid them for VCU, Dayton or STL, don't expect more than 4 in future years also.
Remember, the ACC raped and ravaged the Big East to expand its bids to the NCAA. It had little to do with football. In 2013 it marked the second time in three years that the ACC got just four bids and the fourth time in the eight seasons since the league's expansion to 12 teams in 2006 so the ACC had basically become a 4 or 5 team bid league when the Big East was getting 6, 7 or 8 bids. Now the rolls are reversed but we only have a pool of 10 schools compared to the 12 the ACC had prior to expansion.
 
I am for the expansion of the Big East. My reasoning is below.

At the end of the season conferences are judged by how many teams make the tournament. This is a barometer that fails to take into consideration the size of the conference. Thus if the ACC gets 6 bids with 15 teams this year, and the Big East gets 4 with 10 teams the ACC will be considered a superior conference far and away. However the numbers are essentially the same 1out of every 2.5 teams will have made it, or 40% of the conference. But to TV viewers and media they just see a big 6 next to the name ACC. And that is what will be most prevalent.

While there are other factors (Out of conf record and SOS, number of ranked teams, ect) to judge a conf, I feel this is the most important. Thus by sheer size you can increase your conference number of bids and strength. Although it is incredibly important to add the "best right" team so both the conf mission is served, and athletic quality is added. I think the Big East made a mistake not adding Saint Louis and either Dayton, VCU, or Richmond (The VCU/ Dayton/Richmond debate I won't get into, but eventually the Big East needs to decide which one to invite if it wants to expand. And better sooner than later) This would have given us at least 1 more bid and quite easily 2. While 6 out of 12 teams would have been outstanding, that's a 50% clip. And could be just as many as the 15 team ACC.

Whether you like it or not Conf size is an advantage in College Basketball. Eventually I think we should be 14 teams 5 or 6 years out. But I'd like to be 12 teams by 2016.
 
In this age of the dumbing down of America, like it or not, you are right. I always look at the percentage of teams from the top conferences making the dance as a benchmark but I know I, and others who do the same, are in the vast minority. This is rarely alluded to in the media either.
 
In this age of the dumbing down of America, like it or not, you are right. I always look at the percentage of teams from the top conferences making the dance as a benchmark but I know I, and others who do the same, are in the vast minority. This is rarely alluded to in the media either.
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Which is why I now endorse Newsie's 48 team mega conference idea. That conference could get a record 10 teams into the dance. ;)
 
The Big East name is the single greatest asset this conference has. There is a 35-year history associated with it. At several different points, it was considered the best conference in the country by many people.

I am in favor of a reasonable expansion of the Big East. It sure would have been nice to grab St. Louis and Wichita Sate for this season. Wichita doesn't have football and always draws well.

I think this is a four bid conference this year with an outside shot at five if St. John's can get it going. It is a far cry from setting the record for bids a few years ago, but the Big East also set a record for most first round losses by a conference that year as well. This group could easily go 4-0 or 5-0 in the first round.
 
If Big East gets 3 bids or less,it will be looked at by the media as a Mid major,like the A-10....We should add at least 2 more teams..would like Uconn,Cincy... but they would bolt for the acc,if they ever get the chance.....Must be winning programs,not schools dependent on a good coach...Duke is finished once coach K goes.....
 
The Big East name is everything. Imagine we had no football and we were in the AAC? The outside perception of our league would be pretty weak.

As long as the Big East gets at least 40% of it's teams to the NCAA tournament then we'll be fine for the time being.

Thank God for Nova's resurgence and McDermott coming back. With Georgetown and Marquette not being the tournament automatics everyone thought they were going to be, Nova and Creighton have been our saviors. It could have been a really embarrassing year for the Big East.

I'll end on a depressing note: St. John's highest RPI win is a home win against San Francisco.
 
If Big East gets 3 bids or less,it will be looked at by the media as a Mid major,like the A-10....We should add at least 2 more teams..would like Uconn,Cincy... but they would bolt for the acc,if they ever get the chance.....Must be winning programs,not schools dependent on a good coach...Duke is finished once coach K goes.....
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Do you realize the conference will not add a school that plays football?
 
...Duke is finished once coach K goes.....
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Don't bet on it.
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Agree 100%. Duke is a blue blood program. (No pun intended). As much as I can't stand them...they are much bigger than the coach. Much like UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky and North Carolina have won championships under different coaches...the same will be true with Duke.
 
...Duke is finished once coach K goes.....
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Don't bet on it.
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Agree 100%. Duke is a blue blood program. (No pun intended). As much as I can't stand them...they are much bigger than the coach. Much like UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky and North Carolina have won championships under different coaches...the same will be true with Duke.
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They could take a step back for a few years.
 
...Duke is finished once coach K goes.....
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Don't bet on it.
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Agree 100%. Duke is a blue blood program. (No pun intended). As much as I can't stand them...they are much bigger than the coach. Much like UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky and North Carolina have won championships under different coaches...the same will be true with Duke.
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They could take a step back for a few years.
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Jerry Sandusky isn't getting out of prison before coach K retires. History has shown only he can destroy the work of legends.
 
IMO the University of Syracuse may have a gap when Boeheim retires and promotes Hopkins.

Hopkins is a great recruiter but an unproven head coach.
 
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