After 2 exhibition games

[1and1sju]

After the 2 exh games I think it's clear the rotation will include Green, Branch, Jordan , Harrison, Dom, Sanchez, Opbeka, GG, Sampson - that is 9. It's tough to have a rotation with 10 or 11. So Hooper and Marco seem to be the 2 that will see limited action. Thoughts?

If Obekpa played his normal 25 mins last night where would GG get his mins from? There's just not a lot to go around. And keep in mind Jakarr was on the bench for most of the game, that's not normally going to be the case. If Jakarr and Orlando play 35 and Obekpa another 25, there just isn't room for GG.

I know today's not the day to pick on GG, and I admit he looked good, but there just isnt room for him to play more than 5min a game on a regular basis.

That's my point about Hooper and Marco too, I don't see them getting many minutes. Orlando and Sampson will not play 35 but i see you point about GG , he is the 4th option up front. 7 or 8 mins a game.

Exactly. I may have been stretching Jakarr and Orlando, you're right they will probably be at 30mpg max, but even still that leaves 20mins or so for Obekpa, and GG is the odd man out.
And as you point out, the same will be true with Hooper and Marco. There's only so many mins to go around. And guys like Harrison, Jordan, Dom, Branch etc deserve the bulk of them.
Although I do see Paul's point that coach seems determined to get Max in the game, but I think once the season starts there's much less opportunity because Dangelo and Dom will be out there for most of the game. Last night Harrison played a 1/4 of the game. That won't happen again this season.

 

[ccnobz]

After the 2 exh games I think it's clear the rotation will include Green, Branch, Jordan , Harrison, Dom, Sanchez, Opbeka, GG, Sampson - that is 9. It's tough to have a rotation with 10 or 11. So Hooper and Marco seem to be the 2 that will see limited action. Thoughts?

If Obekpa played his normal 25 mins last night where would GG get his mins from? There's just not a lot to go around. And keep in mind Jakarr was on the bench for most of the game, that's not normally going to be the case. If Jakarr and Orlando play 35 and Obekpa another 25, there just isn't room for GG.

I know today's not the day to pick on GG, and I admit he looked good, but there just isnt room for him to play more than 5min a game on a regular basis.

That's my point about Hooper and Marco too, I don't see them getting many minutes. Orlando and Sampson will not play 35 but i see you point about GG , he is the 4th option up front. 7 or 8 mins a game.

Exactly. I may have been stretching Jakarr and Orlando, you're right they will probably be at 30mpg max, but even still that leaves 20mins or so for Obekpa, and GG is the odd man out.
And as you point out, the same will be true with Hooper and Marco. There's only so many mins to go around. And guys like Harrison, Jordan, Dom, Branch etc deserve the bulk of them.
Although I do see Paul's point that coach seems determined to get Max in the game, but I think once the season starts there's much less opportunity because Dangelo and Dom will be out there for most of the game. Last night Harrison played a 1/4 of the game. That won't happen again this season.

Lavin has had some curious substitution patterns in the past, and shuffling 11 in and out in a close game is impossible. Even 9 is a lot. Our top 8 are very good

 

[simplyred]

Our top 8 won't be the same 8 in every game. Matchups and performance will dictate who gets minutes in any particular game.

 

[firestorm]

Our top 8 won't be the same 8 in every game. Matchups and performance will dictate who gets minutes in any particular game.

I think that's exactly right. Hooper is a weapon you use in certain spots. And we know college players don't always perform at their peak level every night. I expect we'll see a mix of lineups over the course of a season. Fortunately, we have enough depth and diversity of skills this year to do that.

 

[getliquid]

Hooper is still a mystery to me. Hitting shots in practice is not the same as game time. Can't create his own shot and his defense is very suspect. I do not see him playing much.

If Hooper is still a mystery, then why do you think he won't help much? Sounds like an oxymoron.

From the 2 games Hooper played i do not see him as a 8th or an 9th guy off the bench. He struggled hitting his 3's until 2nd half of 2nd game. And this is against D2 competition. I think Harrison's shot improved (besides the unnecessary forced 3's) If he can eliminate the forced shots he should be the guy on the wing waiting for the 3. Especially since we will have Sampson and Jordan on the field controlling the ball. (who can hit the 3 as well)
The mystery that i referred to is his transfer from Harvard. I can't comprehend how someone can leave one of the best schools in the world to play (1-5mpg) at St.Johns Univ.

 

[TobinGrad]

With Hooper, if hes hot from beyond the arc he'll play, if not he'll sit.
Based on what we have seem of him I expect him to be much more efficient than Marco and even have a few really big games against a few of the crappy opponents, (of which we have a few too many) on the schedule.

 

[ccnobz]

Hooper is still a mystery to me. Hitting shots in practice is not the same as game time. Can't create his own shot and his defense is very suspect. I do not see him playing much.

If Hooper is still a mystery, then why do you think he won't help much? Sounds like an oxymoron.

From the 2 games Hooper played i do not see him as a 8th or an 9th guy off the bench. He struggled hitting his 3's until 2nd half of 2nd game. And this is against D2 competition. I think Harrison's shot improved (besides the unnecessary forced 3's) If he can eliminate the forced shots he should be the guy on the wing waiting for the 3. Especially since we will have Sampson and Jordan on the field controlling the ball. (who can hit the 3 as well)
The mystery that i referred to is his transfer from Harvard. I can't comprehend how someone can leave one of the best schools in the world to play (1-5mpg) at St.Johns Univ.

I was thinking the same thing, this kid got into Harvard and left there to come to STJ. Something he may regret down the road long after basketball is over.

 

[1and1sju]

Hooper is still a mystery to me. Hitting shots in practice is not the same as game time. Can't create his own shot and his defense is very suspect. I do not see him playing much.

If Hooper is still a mystery, then why do you think he won't help much? Sounds like an oxymoron.

From the 2 games Hooper played i do not see him as a 8th or an 9th guy off the bench. He struggled hitting his 3's until 2nd half of 2nd game. And this is against D2 competition. I think Harrison's shot improved (besides the unnecessary forced 3's) If he can eliminate the forced shots he should be the guy on the wing waiting for the 3. Especially since we will have Sampson and Jordan on the field controlling the ball. (who can hit the 3 as well)
The mystery that i referred to is his transfer from Harvard. I can't comprehend how someone can leave one of the best schools in the world to play (1-5mpg) at St.Johns Univ.

A trust fund makes it a lot easier to chase your dreams. Max's dad is a mega-agent in the music business.

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1099192/billboard-power-100-chip-hooper

 

[MJDinkins]

Hooper is still a mystery to me. Hitting shots in practice is not the same as game time. Can't create his own shot and his defense is very suspect. I do not see him playing much.

If Hooper is still a mystery, then why do you think he won't help much? Sounds like an oxymoron.

From the 2 games Hooper played i do not see him as a 8th or an 9th guy off the bench. He struggled hitting his 3's until 2nd half of 2nd game. And this is against D2 competition. I think Harrison's shot improved (besides the unnecessary forced 3's) If he can eliminate the forced shots he should be the guy on the wing waiting for the 3. Especially since we will have Sampson and Jordan on the field controlling the ball. (who can hit the 3 as well)
The mystery that i referred to is his transfer from Harvard. I can't comprehend how someone can leave one of the best schools in the world to play (1-5mpg) at St.Johns Univ.

As, been mentioned by a few posters in this thread.... Certain game situations will dictate substitution patterns. This is why I believe Hooper will get some burn.

If you're gonna take a small sample of him missing treys, then you also have to take the small sample of him hitting treys. He's a very, reliable shooter, so I'm gonna lean towards him being a superb shooter when given the opportunity.

I also do not know why Hooper left Harvard to attend St. John's. Maybe, he wanted to give it at try at a major D-1. Or, play alongside, his buddy, Sampson. Regardless, he's here now, and I feel he'll help us in a few games. He gets his shot quickly, and once he gets into rhythm, then he can be lethal.

You want Sampson controlling the ball, huh? Don't get me wrong.... Sampson is immensely athletic, and has an upside to his game. We're lucky to have him. But I wouldn't him controlling the ball, unless he's going up for a shot attempt. His handle is decent, but it's also kinda loose.

I'd rather have the ball in the hands of Jordan, Harrison, Sanchez, and Branch.

 

[getliquid]

Hooper is still a mystery to me. Hitting shots in practice is not the same as game time. Can't create his own shot and his defense is very suspect. I do not see him playing much.

If Hooper is still a mystery, then why do you think he won't help much? Sounds like an oxymoron.

From the 2 games Hooper played i do not see him as a 8th or an 9th guy off the bench. He struggled hitting his 3's until 2nd half of 2nd game. And this is against D2 competition. I think Harrison's shot improved (besides the unnecessary forced 3's) If he can eliminate the forced shots he should be the guy on the wing waiting for the 3. Especially since we will have Sampson and Jordan on the field controlling the ball. (who can hit the 3 as well)
The mystery that i referred to is his transfer from Harvard. I can't comprehend how someone can leave one of the best schools in the world to play (1-5mpg) at St.Johns Univ.

A trust fund makes it a lot easier to chase your dreams. Max's dad is a mega-agent in the music business.

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1099192/billboard-power-100-chip-hooper

Mystery solved. Still, not a bright move.
I have a feeling more people will know him as the kid that quit Harvard rather than the kid that played at St.Johns
Hopefully he can prove me wrong and put up 20 in the NCAA finals

 

[getliquid]

Hooper is still a mystery to me. Hitting shots in practice is not the same as game time. Can't create his own shot and his defense is very suspect. I do not see him playing much.

If Hooper is still a mystery, then why do you think he won't help much? Sounds like an oxymoron.

From the 2 games Hooper played i do not see him as a 8th or an 9th guy off the bench. He struggled hitting his 3's until 2nd half of 2nd game. And this is against D2 competition. I think Harrison's shot improved (besides the unnecessary forced 3's) If he can eliminate the forced shots he should be the guy on the wing waiting for the 3. Especially since we will have Sampson and Jordan on the field controlling the ball. (who can hit the 3 as well)
The mystery that i referred to is his transfer from Harvard. I can't comprehend how someone can leave one of the best schools in the world to play (1-5mpg) at St.Johns Univ.

As, been mentioned by a few posters in this thread.... Certain game situations will dictate substitution patterns. This is why I believe Hooper will get some burn.

If you're gonna take a small sample of him missing treys, then you also have to take the small sample of him hitting treys. He's a very, reliable shooter, so I'm gonna lean towards him being a superb shooter when given the opportunity.

I also do not know why Hooper left Harvard to attend St. John's. Maybe, he wanted to give it at try at a major D-1. Or, play alongside, his buddy, Sampson. Regardless, he's here now, and I feel he'll help us in a few games. He gets his shot quickly, and once he gets into rhythm, then he can be lethal.

You want Sampson controlling the ball, huh? Don't get me wrong.... Sampson is immensely athletic, and has an upside to his game. We're lucky to have him. But I wouldn't him controlling the ball, unless he's going up for a shot attempt. His handle is decent, but it's also kinda loose.

I'd rather have the ball in the hands of Jordan, Harrison, Sanchez, and Branch.

You are right. In that case Jordan or Branch with the ball and Harrison waiting for the 3 on the wing

 

[Moose]

Hooper is still a mystery to me. Hitting shots in practice is not the same as game time. Can't create his own shot and his defense is very suspect. I do not see him playing much.

If Hooper is still a mystery, then why do you think he won't help much? Sounds like an oxymoron.

From the 2 games Hooper played i do not see him as a 8th or an 9th guy off the bench. He struggled hitting his 3's until 2nd half of 2nd game. And this is against D2 competition. I think Harrison's shot improved (besides the unnecessary forced 3's) If he can eliminate the forced shots he should be the guy on the wing waiting for the 3. Especially since we will have Sampson and Jordan on the field controlling the ball. (who can hit the 3 as well)
The mystery that i referred to is his transfer from Harvard. I can't comprehend how someone can leave one of the best schools in the world to play (1-5mpg) at St.Johns Univ.

A trust fund makes it a lot easier to chase your dreams. Max's dad is a mega-agent in the music business.

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1099192/billboard-power-100-chip-hooper

Mystery solved. Still, not a bright move.
I have a feeling more people will know him as the kid that quit Harvard rather than the kid that played at St.Johns
Hopefully he can prove me wrong and put up 20 in the NCAA finals

Maybe he couldn't hack it at Harvard academically. Maybe it was simply too much.

 

[Marillac]

Hooper is still a mystery to me. Hitting shots in practice is not the same as game time. Can't create his own shot and his defense is very suspect. I do not see him playing much.

If Hooper is still a mystery, then why do you think he won't help much? Sounds like an oxymoron.

From the 2 games Hooper played i do not see him as a 8th or an 9th guy off the bench. He struggled hitting his 3's until 2nd half of 2nd game. And this is against D2 competition. I think Harrison's shot improved (besides the unnecessary forced 3's) If he can eliminate the forced shots he should be the guy on the wing waiting for the 3. Especially since we will have Sampson and Jordan on the field controlling the ball. (who can hit the 3 as well)
The mystery that i referred to is his transfer from Harvard. I can't comprehend how someone can leave one of the best schools in the world to play (1-5mpg) at St.Johns Univ.

A trust fund makes it a lot easier to chase your dreams. Max's dad is a mega-agent in the music business.

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/1099192/billboard-power-100-chip-hooper

Mystery solved. Still, not a bright move.
I have a feeling more people will know him as the kid that quit Harvard rather than the kid that played at St.Johns
Hopefully he can prove me wrong and put up 20 in the NCAA finals

Maybe he couldn't hack it at Harvard academically. Maybe it was simply too much.

Harvard will be a top 25 team this season and I believe they will win a game in the tournament. Harvard has a shooter at every position that, quite honestly, can do the other things better than Max. Harvard needs athletes lilke we need shooters. Does it really matter that Max an shoot 46% if they have a kid that can shoot 43% and play better defense?

 

[Andrew]

I think Hooper will be successful on a team that still struggles from the outside. I am sure that an intelligent varsity basketball player can also be very successful in life with a degree from St. John's. He loves basketball and this seems to be a great fit for him.

 

[TobinGrad]

I think Hooper will be successful on a team that still struggles from the outside. I am sure that an intelligent varsity basketball player can also be very successful in life with a degree from St. John's. He loves basketball and this seems to be a great fit for him.

I think he has a long successful career in euroleague

 

[paultzman]

Obsession with Hooper is ridiculous and least of our worries. He is complementary guy, with shooting ability, who may help at times. Why he left Harvard, how he oils his shooting machine, etc. means nada.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Bobre has me nervous that we might play Hooper too much and him doing well and him leaving school to play in europe next year

 

[qcredman]

The acid test for Hooper will be when the score is close against a very good team and a hand is in his face. Will he be able to get his shot off and score?

If the answer is in the affirmative we have another effective weapon.

Otherwise he may make the Guinness Book of Records but not be of much use to us.

 

[getliquid]

I think Hooper will be successful on a team that still struggles from the outside. I am sure that an intelligent varsity basketball player can also be very successful in life with a degree from St. John's. He loves basketball and this seems to be a great fit for him.

I think he has a long successful career in euroleague

He hit 4 shots in 2 exhibition games and played 4minutes at Harvard and you are saying he is going to be successful in Euro League? Very big expectations.
Last year the board was obsessed with Marco and we all know how that one worked out.

 

[Section9]

Liquid, Rysheed has been the only "complete" player on the team these two games. If he took every shot presented to him like Sampson or Harrison he would have a ton of points......but that is not his game.
Jakarr has not been "creative", he has been anything but! Long shots, no sharing the ball, out of position, etc. If not using your noodle is creative then pigs fly.
I just hope Obekpa is learning something from Gift who does not wander 30 feet from the basket and collected a ton of garbage last night.

Rysheed got very little burn last night and didn't have a tremendous impact on the game, so I don't see how he cou;ld be a "complete" player", much less the only one on the team.

The"complete" player last night was Gift followed by Dom.