Advice to Harkless

 I think he can really do himself a favor by working on putting muscle on his frame, refining his touch as well as his handle 1 more season in college. He would be doing much the same in the nba but on a bench somewhere for likely less guaranteed money. Not being biased, but i think he can be a lottery pick with 20lbs more muscle and improved ability on the perimeter and not have to ride nba pine. Lottery pick= more guaranteed money. Next years draft will likely be weaker as well.
 
 He said after receiving rookie of the year award he considering entering the draft. this biz is tough, man... Nobody wants to play for a loosing team. If he played on a winning program he'd be staying one more year for certain. If coach Lav gets some good recruits he may come back if not he'll enter.. Man our program is hanging onto oblivion right now.. What did we do to deserve this? Man...
 
 I think he can really do himself a favor by working on putting muscle on his frame, refining his touch as well as his handle 1 more season in college. He would be doing much the same in the nba but on a bench somewhere for likely less guaranteed money. Not being biased, but i think he can be a lottery pick with 20lbs more muscle and improved ability on the perimeter and not have to ride nba pine. Lottery pick= more guaranteed money. Next years draft will likely be weaker as well.
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Agree! I think he can be a top 5-10 pick next season, if he does the things you've mentioned, MCN. There is a chance he could even catapult himself higher, if we were to have a deep tournament run. 

EDIT: I also strongly believe he can be the Big East POY next season.
 
I have to think that the staff (especially Dunlap and Hines) has enough NBA ties to be able to get Moe an accurate un-biased idea of his draft prospects. If he is a guaranteed 1st rounder, then its hard to fault the kid. However, if there is doubt about a secure position in the 1st round, then it certainly in Moe's best interests to come back for another year, get stronger, improve going to his left and work on the jumpshot to showcase his talents on what will be a significantly better team.
 
 I think he can really do himself a favor by working on putting muscle on his frame, refining his touch as well as his handle 1 more season in college. He would be doing much the same in the nba but on a bench somewhere for likely less guaranteed money. Not being biased, but i think he can be a lottery pick with 20lbs more muscle and improved ability on the perimeter and not have to ride nba pine. Lottery pick= more guaranteed money. Next years draft will likely be weaker as well.
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Agree! I think he can be a top 5-10 pick next season, if he does the things you've mentioned, MCN. There is a chance he could even catapult himself higher, if we were to have a deep tournament run. 

EDIT: I also strongly believe he can be the Big East POY next season.
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1) This is a very deep draft
2) he needs more outside gain
3) Needs more inside muscle
4) If he IS good enough to go late 1st round or early second round this year, next year almost automatically jump that 10-15 spaces if he does 2 and 3.

This is a no brainer, but it depends on how much brains the people who have his ear possess.
 
 Moe will get solid advice from Nate, Lavin, Dunlap, and Rico. The last 2 having coached in the NBA should be able to really have some great insight. I think this draft is loaded, and he would be better off coming back. I'm a bit surprised to see NBADraft have him at #15
 
I love Moe as much as anyone, and im not being selfish here with my opinion. Im basing it on me as a fan of his and whats best for a player i root for. There is no doubt that Moe will get drafted either low first round or early second round. That being said, he will without doubt be on the bench on whatever team he is on. Staying another year will not hurt his game nor his stock level. It could actually help his stock rise. Look, we all know how Moe will get plenty of prime time coverage in NYC next year after such a strong year he and D'Angelo had. I think next year he can fill any wholes in his game and be a surefire top 1st rounder and thus possible fill in at a possible starting player on a NBA team. We all know the NBA is stacked with talented, strong players. Moe can compete, but next year will absolutely HELP him, and the program become stronger. Moe, please stay, if not for me, but for yourself. You will not regret your decision. ONE MORE YEAR !! ONE MOE YEAR !!!! ONE MOE YEAR !!!! you heard it first here boys...ONE "MOE" YEAR !!! 
 
My advice to Harkless would be to declare for the NBA draft, but do NOT sign with an agent by any means. Play against the top competition out there and assess where your game is at then. If he starts hearing his name as a potential lottery pick and if a team guarantees him that he won't fall past a certain spot in the draft, then he'd be foolish to stay at St. John's. There will be too much money on the line for him to ignore. But if you see draft experts projecting him in the latter half of the first round or as an early second round pick, I think he'd be absolutely foolish to leave.

Based on the talent level we've all seen this entire season, he is most likely going to wind up being one of the elite players in college basketball next season. And if he rounds out his outside shot and gains a few extra pounds, he has the potential to be one of the best players ever to play at STJ. But at the end of the day, he has to go through the draft process and make the decision that he is most comfortable with.
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I don't think that's the way it works anymore; you declare or you don't, no reneging.
 
What we say:

Moe, as someone who cares about your future, it's just not the right time. It's a deep draft, you need some meat on your bones and you could make a gazzillion bucks more if you just wait another year. It's not worth the gamble.

Sincerely,
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What we really mean:

Moe, as an upper-middle class white professional living comfortably in the NYC suburbs I'm asking that you please forgo lifting your family out of poverty, risk a career-ending injury as an amateur and stay at St. John's so you can continue to provide me with a reason to live November through March.

Sincerely,
Redmen.com poster 
 
What we say:

Moe, as someone who cares about your future, it's just not the right time. It's a deep draft, you need some meat on your bones and you could make a gazzillion bucks more if you just wait another year. It's not worth the gamble.

Sincerely,
Redmen.com poster


What we really mean:

Moe, as an upper-middle class white professional living comfortably in the NYC suburbs I'm asking that you please forgo lifting your family out of poverty, risk a career-ending injury as an amateur and stay at St. John's so you can continue to provide me with a reason to live November through March.

Sincerely,
Redmen.com poster 
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I know your post is mostly in jest, but poverty?
 
the sad part is IF some team would want to draft him he would be riding the pine for a few years i think. he's not physically matured yet and his game needs a lot of work. 6 8 small fowards are a dime a dozen. he needs to improve his shot and ball handling for starters. he's not going to get that sitting on an an nba bench 
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This kid isn't going to ride the pine anywhere. He will play and be an all star by his third year. The only issue is whether he's going to be satisfied going 15th or so. Actually if he goes this year he goes to a better team than he would next year but the money will be less. Should he really care about the difference? I don't know but I believe the collaspse of this year's recruiting class and Lavin's absence will be the determining factors in his decision. Is there anyone on this board who would pass on sure millions for a chance at more money a year later after the rigors of another season? This is one time it would suck to be right.
 
 Harkless will not get meaningful minutes for any NBA team next season. He does not have remotely enough game for the NBA right now and that is not meant to knock the kid. I remember being ridiculed on the board by some for saying the same thing about Cook. Having said that, he has the potential to be a fine NBA player someday if he goes to a team willing to work with him and wait for him; if he decides to go, good luck to him, he gave SJU a great year. One thing to remember, many players in the NBA look at rookies as competition and offer nothing in terms of helping their development; everyone ignores his passive personality which is something that could get him eaten up in the league. Again, if he goes nothing but the best and I will certainly be rooting for him to succeed.
 
 I think he needs 1 more year to really develop. The NBA is ultracompetitive. He doesnt want to follow Cooks or Barkleys footsteps. He wants to be a star there for years.
 
the sad part is IF some team would want to draft him he would be riding the pine for a few years i think. he's not physically matured yet and his game needs a lot of work. 6 8 small fowards are a dime a dozen. he needs to improve his shot and ball handling for starters. he's not going to get that sitting on an an nba bench 
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This kid isn't going to ride the pine anywhere. He will play and be an all star by his third year. The only issue is whether he's going to be satisfied going 15th or so. Actually if he goes this year he goes to a better team than he would next year but the money will be less. Should he really care about the difference? I don't know but I believe the collaspse of this year's recruiting class and Lavin's absence will be the determining factors in his decision. Is there anyone on this board who would pass on sure millions for a chance at more money a year later after the rigors of another season? This is one time it would suck to be right.
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Do we or Moe know for sure if he goes this year he will get millions-if he is a 2nd round pick the millions will not be there unless he makes it in follow up years. I don't know the pay scale for late 1st rounders but I don't think it is necessarily in the millions if you're the 30th pick-I could be wrong-anyone know the pay scale?
At this time it's easy for some NBA scout to say "Oh Moe will go in the first half or 2/3's of the draft." But let Moe delve into the issue more deeply than an off the cuff remark by one or two scouts.
Moe said he will be looking into where he may go in the draft, and base his decision on that along with input from his family, and the staff. Given that some of the coaches have been to the big league they have a fairly good idea of how Moe may do-they certainly have a better idea of that than we do.
Whatever his decision I wish him the best-of course I would love him to return but it's not my life he's making the decision about.
 
 Its a pretty simple process. Moe needs to do all the proper due dilligence before making a life-changing decision (just like any of us would). If he collects all the information and determines that it is likely (from sources he trusts) that he'll be a 1st round pick with guaranteed money, then he should do it. That means he needs to be assured that he's a top 20, maybe 25 pick. He can't risk it if he is in the 25-30 range.

If that's the case, then its best for him and his family to go pro and elimnates any potential injury that could impact his ability to go pro later in life.

That being said, I urge Moe to get as many pro evalutations as possible prior to making a decision. he needs to get opinions from all his coaches, advisors, players and anyone else he trusts. Please don't lean on one or two sources that are trying to get in the Moe Harkless business. He needs independent observers.

Like everyone else, I think his game could benefit from another year at college, but if he truly believes he'll be a 1st round pick, then go for it.
 
here are so called "experts"   DraftExpress: St. John's Clubhouse , they have norvel pelle and Lindsey ahead of D'Angelo. Stay another year Moe.
 
here are so called "experts"   DraftExpress: St. John's Clubhouse , they have norvel pelle and Lindsey ahead of D'Angelo. Stay another year Moe.
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Huh?
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