ACC Football

[Mean Gene]

 SJUFAN2 wrote:
"...your going to have them hang their hat on the fact that they beat a couple of mid level, mid conference football teams that "received votes"??"

Navy is playing and beating teams in major BCS conferences, they play a national schedule and likely would be more competitive in basketball than BE cellar dwellers USF, DePaul or Seton Hall. So invite them for both since they can't be any more pathetic than the three programs mentioned!

Lol...so they are beating BCS conference cellar dwellers ergo they are the king of the BCS cellar dwellers and therfore a valuable commodity.

'72...the king in a nation where everyone has 1 leg still has one leg.

But to each his own I suppose.

As for basketball driving the bus you must have missed the memo......the mediocre BE football teams have commandeered the bus and the basketball schools are just on for the ride.

Not anymore they aren't. Nothing in the BE will happen going forward without the catholic schools and ND signing off on it. Did you miss the meeting this week? The one where Nova, WVU and Uconn were begging for a seat at the table?

If your goal is to see St. John's become a member of an A10 mid-major conference with no national presence under the trappings of being some sort of basketball super-conference I respectfully disagree.

To each his own. But when the PAC 12, Big 10, SEC and ACC finish expanding (14-18 teams each) the rest of college football is dead. Sure some schools will keep playing...but they will be as relevant as the Ivy league is today. That is to say that they will have no relevance.

If we hook our star to that sinking ship we are dead. I don't care one wit about BE football. I care about St John's hoops. And our future is no longer tethered to the success of BE football.

There are no football powers looking to get an invite to the Big East.....Temple has not even applied. The major BCS conferences look like they have slowed their expansion at least for another year. The Big East needs to negotiate a contract in the next few months or there will be ZERO TV. No TV=No revenue. There will be no contract without the football schools.

That's the point. There are no football programs looking to join a conference that is perceived as a sinking ship (at the moment). Everyone is going to wait to act until the final expansion of the big 4 conferences is completed. Then they will be forced to move. Until then, nobody is going to rock the boat.

This isn't about next year. Its about the next 50 years.

There is going to be no substantial football TV contract for the BE once the dust has settled. ALL the football money will go to the big four conferences and nobody will pay major money to air games that will amount to glorified scrimmages.

As for your knock on ND, they are laughing all the way to the bank! Their record is also a victim of their national schedule and strict academic admissions requirements. If they played all the Big East or ACC teams they would be nationally ranked....well maybe they would still lose to USF and Navy! LOL!

You must have missed my comment about their brand being highly valuable. Yep...they are getting paid. That doesn't change the fact that they've been a national embarrassment on the football field for half a decade or more.

We can throw this BS back and forth forever but time is a fleeting! The Big East needs to make itself attractive for a mega-TV contract. That will not happen with just some leftover basketball schools. In order to stabilize the Big East new upcoming schools need to be signed ASAP. If that means UCF and ECU along with a Houston so be it but Navy for football only adds value for the football schools ---- something Notre Dame does not do at present.

And NAVY is going to deliver a "mega-TV contract"?? That's the funniest thing you've said so far.

BE football is dying. Nobody is paying big bucks to watch a conference that is on the verge of losing its BCS bid and that will be dead once the music stops in this grand game of musical conference realignment.

If the Big East has a future its basketball. Bringing in schools like Navy, schools that don't promote that future is suicide.

This is not just about football, it is about maximizing your schools revenue in the new world order and I want St. John's to benefit financially from the equation. 

 

The BE future isn't about football at all. There is going to be no money there in the very near future. Its future is in building the 2nd or 3rd best basketball conference in the nation. If it doesn't do that, it has no future. BE football is all but dead. If you don't do everything possible to strengthen the basketball side of the equation then there will be no BE conference in a few years and its death throes could destroy our program.

The landscape in major college athletics has changed for the foreseeable future. Adapt or perish.

Adding non hoops schools like Navy is shortsighted and detrimental to the long term health of the St Johns hoops program, and ultimately that is all that matters around here.

 




I agree with everything SJUFAN2 has said. The 20 best basketball only schools should get together and form a basketball super conference. That's where the future is for those schools.

 

[SJUFAN2]

I agree with everything SJUFAN2 has said. The 20 best basketball only schools should get together and form a basketball super conference. That's where the future is for those schools.

 

Mean Gene, I want to thank you.

You may be the first poster ever, certainly in recent memory, to spell my screen name correctly... :woohoo: :silly: 

 

[Class of 72]

 SJUFAN2 wrote:

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Nothing in the BE will happen going forward without the catholic schools and ND signing off on it. Did you miss the meeting this week? The one where Nova, WVU and Uconn were begging for a seat at the table?

To each his own. But when the PAC 12, Big 10, SEC and ACC finish expanding (14-18 teams each) the rest of college football is dead. Sure some schools will keep playing...but they will be as relevant as the Ivy league is today. That is to say that they will have no relevance.

That's the point. There are no football programs looking to join a conference that is perceived as a sinking ship (at the moment). Everyone is going to wait to act until the final expansion of the big 4 conferences is completed.

This isn't about next year. Its about the next 50 years.

There is going to be no substantial football TV contract for the BE once the dust has settled. ALL the football money will go to the big four conferences ..........Nobody is paying big bucks to watch a conference that is on the verge of losing its BCS bid and that will be dead once the music stops in this grand game of musical conference realignment. 

The BE future isn't about football at all. There is going to be no money there in the very near future. Its future is in building the 2nd or 3rd best basketball conference in the nation. If it doesn't do that, it has no future. BE football is all but dead. If you don't do everything possible to strengthen the basketball side of the equation then there will be no BE conference in a few years and its death throes could destroy our program.

I agree with everything SJUFAN2 has said. The 20 best basketball only schools should get together and form a basketball super conference. That's where the future is for those schools.

I find both your comments commendable from a basketball fanatic's POV. However, I do not understand some of the media's propaganda regarding the formation of the so-called FOUR Super-Conferences and their projected monopoly of both basketball and football. Well my fellow redmen friends what if the super-conferences actually become FIVE.....remember the Big 12? They can easily add a few teams to reach 14. Heck, there is still Conferance USA! That theoretically could make it SIX! .....what if the Big East actually salvages football as a divisional football/basketball conference with 16-17 teams! Holy cow! Now we have SEVEN self-anointed super-conferences! Doing some quick math that would be over 100 current NCAA schools in super-duper conferences!!! You known what ????? My guess is Television $$ will be offered to ALL of those conferences! Some will have much better payouts than others but my guess is that rich Big East high-population media markets may be a negotiating factor if it includes the Texas and Florida markets along with the rest of the media markets that the Big East populates at present even without the North Pole Syracuse market.

Your vision of a super BB conference is also commendable but after Georgetown, St. John's and maybe Villanova and Marquette from the remnants of the Big East who are these other college basketball powers with a national brand name that would interest advertisers? After all, that is where the real $$ comes from! Dayton? The real basketball super-powers will be in the major conferences mentioned above. if your dream becomes reality then some the Big East powers in BB would be gone----Uconn, West Virginia, Villanova, Louisville joining Syracuse and
Pitt. Of course BB powers in other conferences would still dominate the national market.....Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UCLA, Florida, Texas, etc.

I have my doubts that these so-called super-duper conferences will have enough cohesion to conspire together against the NCAA......something none of them has even hinted to thus far! I rather roll the dice with a dual Big East league for TV money in the next year and not worry about fifty years from now.

Then again, your vision of a super Atlantic 10 or Big East 20 or whatever basketball conference may become a reality but there will be very little super about it!

No matter what happens I will remain a redmen until the day I die even if I have to suffer playing LaSalle, St. Joes, Dayton, Providence, DePaul, Seton Hall, Marquette, Fordham, along with Georgetown, Notre Dame and Xavier for now until forever.

BTW, the so-called super-conferences are already starting to question the amount of "revenue-sharing" they will have to do as they expand. More teams divide smaller pieces of the TV pie! The ACC is already looking into voiding its contract with ESPN since it added Syracuse and Pitt to their revenue mix. Adding another two--say Uconn and Rutgers that bring little to the football side of their equation and now you have to divide a contract that looked great when it was divided amongst 12 teams only to now be divided amongst SIXTEEN!!! The smart folks at the PAC 12 already froze their membership for that reason. The SEC followed suit not willing to divide the spoils with 3 more teams. The Big East is now in virgin territory since they are in media-rich markets and can offer an attractive hybrid of sports. The Big East, if they play their cards right in the next few months, could actually be in as good a position before the Pitt/Syracuse betrayal. I am not confident that our commissioner can lead us in a positive direction so unless the Big East gives Marinatto his walking papers (as the Big 12 did with their commish) we just may see the BB conference you guys envision.  

 

[SJUFAN2]

 SJUFAN2 wrote:

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Nothing in the BE will happen going forward without the catholic schools and ND signing off on it. Did you miss the meeting this week? The one where Nova, WVU and Uconn were begging for a seat at the table?

To each his own. But when the PAC 12, Big 10, SEC and ACC finish expanding (14-18 teams each) the rest of college football is dead. Sure some schools will keep playing...but they will be as relevant as the Ivy league is today. That is to say that they will have no relevance.

That's the point. There are no football programs looking to join a conference that is perceived as a sinking ship (at the moment). Everyone is going to wait to act until the final expansion of the big 4 conferences is completed.

This isn't about next year. Its about the next 50 years.

There is going to be no substantial football TV contract for the BE once the dust has settled. ALL the football money will go to the big four conferences ..........Nobody is paying big bucks to watch a conference that is on the verge of losing its BCS bid and that will be dead once the music stops in this grand game of musical conference realignment. 

The BE future isn't about football at all. There is going to be no money there in the very near future. Its future is in building the 2nd or 3rd best basketball conference in the nation. If it doesn't do that, it has no future. BE football is all but dead. If you don't do everything possible to strengthen the basketball side of the equation then there will be no BE conference in a few years and its death throes could destroy our program.

I agree with everything SJUFAN2 has said. The 20 best basketball only schools should get together and form a basketball super conference. That's where the future is for those schools.

I find both your comments commendable from a basketball fanatic's POV. However, I do not understand some of the media's propaganda regarding the formation of the so-called FOUR Super-Conferences and their projected monopoly of both basketball and football. Well my fellow redmen friends what if the super-conferences actually become FIVE.....remember the Big 12? They can easily add a few teams to reach 14. Heck, there is still Conferance USA! That theoretically could make it SIX! .....what if the Big East actually salvages football as a divisional football/basketball conference with 16-17 teams! Holy cow! Now we have SEVEN self-anointed super-conferences! Doing some quick math that would be over 100 current NCAA schools in super-duper conferences!!! You known what ????? My guess is Television $$ will be offered to ALL of those conferences! Some will have much better payouts than others but my guess is that rich Big East high-population media markets may be a negotiating factor if it includes the Texas and Florida markets along with the rest of the media markets that the Big East populates at present even without the North Pole Syracuse market.

Your vision of a super BB conference is also commendable but after Georgetown, St. John's and maybe Villanova and Marquette from the remnants of the Big East who are these other college basketball powers with a national brand name that would interest advertisers? After all, that is where the real $$ comes from! Dayton? The real basketball super-powers will be in the major conferences mentioned above. if your dream becomes reality then some the Big East powers in BB would be gone----Uconn, West Virginia, Villanova, Louisville joining Syracuse and
Pitt. Of course BB powers in other conferences would still dominate the national market.....Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UCLA, Florida, Texas, etc.

I have my doubts that these so-called super-duper conferences will have enough cohesion to conspire together against the NCAA......something none of them has even hinted to thus far! I rather roll the dice with a dual Big East league for TV money in the next year and not worry about fifty years from now.

Then again, your vision of a super Atlantic 10 or Big East 20 or whatever basketball conference may become a reality but there will be very little super about it!

No matter what happens I will remain a redmen until the day I die even if I have to suffer playing LaSalle, St. Joes, Dayton, Providence, DePaul, Seton Hall, Marquette, Fordham, along with Georgetown, Notre Dame and Xavier for now until forever.

BTW, the so-called super-conferences are already starting to question the amount of "revenue-sharing" they will have to do as they expand. More teams divide smaller pieces of the TV pie! The ACC is already looking into voiding its contract with ESPN since it added Syracuse and Pitt to their revenue mix. Adding another two--say Uconn and Rutgers that bring little to the football side of their equation and now you have to divide a contract that looked great when it was divided amongst 12 teams only to now be divided amongst SIXTEEN!!! The smart folks at the PAC 12 already froze their membership for that reason. The SEC followed suit not willing to divide the spoils with 3 more teams. The Big East is now in virgin territory since they are in media-rich markets and can offer an attractive hybrid of sports. The Big East, if they play their cards right in the next few months, could actually be in as good a position before the Pitt/Syracuse betrayal. I am not confident that our commissioner can lead us in a positive direction so unless the Big East gives Marinatto his walking papers (as the Big 12 did with their commish) we just may see the BB conference you guys envision.  

 


My basketball driven conference would have an east and west division and 16-20 teams. Of course it can't happen until the big 12 collapses but when that happens it would consist of, but not be limited to:

West: ND, Marquette, Kansas, Kansas St, Gonzaga, Butler, BYU, DePaul, etc

East: ST Johns, Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, Xavier, Memphis, Temple, etc


There are at least 7 football teams in that mix with decent or better programs that could form a league (excluding ND) and that group of hoops teams would form a conference that could compete on relatively equal footing with any hoops conference in the country.

In addition, it would have a NATIONAL footprint so when it comes to negotiating a broadcasting contract for basketball you would maximize your earning potential.

 

[Class of 72]

 The SEC signed a FIFTEEN YEAR contract. The ACC just began its TWELVE YEAR contract. ALL the major conferences already have long term contracts EXCEPT the BIG EAST! That is a lot of contracts to break and renegotiate with all the poaching. Not sure what decade the basketball only conference will EVER take shape but one thing is CRYSTAL....after this season the Big East would not have a TV deal and that would make them the only major conference without a TV deal. Do you honestly think teams from the Big 12, Conference USA, A 10 would jump into a new BB conference without a contract and forgo their current income?

 

[SJUFAN2]

 The SEC signed a FIFTEEN YEAR contract. The ACC just began its TWELVE YEAR contract. ALL the major conferences already have long term contracts EXCEPT the BIG EAST! That is a lot of contracts to break and renegotiate with all the poaching. Not sure what decade the basketball only conference will EVER take shape but one thing is CRYSTAL....after this season the Big East would not have a TV deal and that would make them the only major conference without a TV deal. Do you honestly think teams from the Big 12, Conference USA, A 10 would jump into a new BB conference without a contract and forgo their current income?

 

Sure they would.

I'm, not sure what the ACC or SEC contracts have to do with anything since I'm not suggesting we bring in any schools from those conferences, that "current income" goes away if the Big 12 collapses. If that happens, and I'll remind you that I said before that my BB conference is contingent upon that domino falling, then you get the two biggest pieces of the puzzle.

I'm pretty sure you can find plenty of schools willing to make that leap of faith once Kansas and Kansas St were added to the mix.

 

[Class of 72]

 The SEC signed a FIFTEEN YEAR contract. The ACC just began its TWELVE YEAR contract. ALL the major conferences already have long term contracts EXCEPT the BIG EAST! That is a lot of contracts to break and renegotiate with all the poaching. Not sure what decade the basketball only conference will EVER take shape but one thing is CRYSTAL....after this season the Big East would not have a TV deal and that would make them the only major conference without a TV deal. Do you honestly think teams from the Big 12, Conference USA, A 10 would jump into a new BB conference without a contract and forgo their current income?

 

Sure they would.

I'm, not sure what the ACC or SEC contracts have to do with anything since I'm not suggesting we bring in any schools from those conferences, that "current income" goes away if the Big 12 collapses. If that happens, and I'll remind you that I said before that my BB conference is contingent upon that domino falling, then you get the two biggest pieces of the puzzle.

I'm pretty sure you can find plenty of schools willing to make that leap of faith once Kansas and Kansas St were added to the mix.

 

You missed my point. The Big East will be WITHOUT A TV CONTRACT for its teams!!!! Money is the only thing that will hold it together. The others HAVE contracts that can be re-negotiated but they HAVE contracts!!! The Big Twelve, with its new commissioner will now actively target other schools. Their preference is to stay west of the Mississippi and active targets include SMU, BYU, Boise State, Air Force and Houston. IMO the Big East will act quickly to expand its football segment with Temple, UCF and Navy being the prime targets. That will bring the conference to 18 members. The football schools (UWV, Louisvile, Cincy, USF, UCF, Navy, Temple, Uconn, Rutgers, TCU) would be as competitive as the ACC---if not better! The schools playing during the basketball season could still make it the top BB conference with new coaches and recruiting! Think of what Jamie Dixon could do at TCU with the western recruiting market! A resurgent St. John's, Louisville, Uconn, Villanova, Marquette, Cincy UWV, Temple, Georgetown, a reorganized Providence program and UCF is in a recuiting hotbed in Florida. CAN YOU SEE IT SJUFAN2........... CAN YOU SEE IT SJUFAN2...........

 

[ras]

 This is a great scenario,. Lots of teams in the east,competitive football and excellent BB. This will bring stability to the BE. This also assumes UCONN and RU doest bolt.BE better work fast.

 

[SJUFAN2]

 The SEC signed a FIFTEEN YEAR contract. The ACC just began its TWELVE YEAR contract. ALL the major conferences already have long term contracts EXCEPT the BIG EAST! That is a lot of contracts to break and renegotiate with all the poaching. Not sure what decade the basketball only conference will EVER take shape but one thing is CRYSTAL....after this season the Big East would not have a TV deal and that would make them the only major conference without a TV deal. Do you honestly think teams from the Big 12, Conference USA, A 10 would jump into a new BB conference without a contract and forgo their current income?

 

Sure they would.

I'm, not sure what the ACC or SEC contracts have to do with anything since I'm not suggesting we bring in any schools from those conferences, that "current income" goes away if the Big 12 collapses. If that happens, and I'll remind you that I said before that my BB conference is contingent upon that domino falling, then you get the two biggest pieces of the puzzle.

I'm pretty sure you can find plenty of schools willing to make that leap of faith once Kansas and Kansas St were added to the mix.

 

You missed my point. The Big East will be WITHOUT A TV CONTRACT for its teams!!!! Money is the only thing that will hold it together. The others HAVE contracts that can be re-negotiated but they HAVE contracts!!! The Big Twelve, with its new commissioner will now actively target other schools. Their preference is to stay west of the Mississippi and active targets include SMU, BYU, Boise State, Air Force and Houston. IMO the Big East will act quickly to expand its football segment with Temple, UCF and Navy being the prime targets. That will bring the conference to 18 members. The football schools (UWV, Louisvile, Cincy, USF, UCF, Navy, Temple, Uconn, Rutgers, TCU) would be as competitive as the ACC---if not better! The schools playing during the basketball season could still make it the top BB conference with new coaches and recruiting! Think of what Jamie Dixon could do at TCU with the western recruiting market! A resurgent St. John's, Louisville, Uconn, Villanova, Marquette, Cincy UWV, Temple, Georgetown, a reorganized Providence program and UCF is in a recuiting hotbed in Florida. CAN YOU SEE IT SJUFAN2........... CAN YOU SEE IT SJUFAN2...........

 

No. I'm blind.

You are talking as if we are going to get a big football contract when our conference is falling apart.,

CAN YOU SEE ANYONE PAYING BIG $$ for the right to broadcast 2nd tier football to regional markets for a conference that is one sneeze away from dissolving into nothingness?

CAN YOU??

(I can't)


And if you really think think that your football lineup (UWV, Louisvile, Cincy, USF, UCF, Navy, Temple, Uconn, Rutgers, TCU) stacks up with what the ACC rolls out there (Miami, FL St, UNC, Virginia, GA Tech, Syracuse, Pitt, VA Tech, BC, Clemson, Maryland, etc) then you are just kidding yourself.

 

[Class of 72]

 The SEC signed a FIFTEEN YEAR contract. The ACC just began its TWELVE YEAR contract. ALL the major conferences already have long term contracts EXCEPT the BIG EAST! That is a lot of contracts to break and renegotiate with all the poaching. Not sure what decade the basketball only conference will EVER take shape but one thing is CRYSTAL....after this season the Big East would not have a TV deal and that would make them the only major conference without a TV deal. Do you honestly think teams from the Big 12, Conference USA, A 10 would jump into a new BB conference without a contract and forgo their current income?

 

Sure they would.

I'm, not sure what the ACC or SEC contracts have to do with anything since I'm not suggesting we bring in any schools from those conferences, that "current income" goes away if the Big 12 collapses. If that happens, and I'll remind you that I said before that my BB conference is contingent upon that domino falling, then you get the two biggest pieces of the puzzle.

I'm pretty sure you can find plenty of schools willing to make that leap of faith once Kansas and Kansas St were added to the mix.

 

You missed my point. The Big East will be WITHOUT A TV CONTRACT for its teams!!!! Money is the only thing that will hold it together. The others HAVE contracts that can be re-negotiated but they HAVE contracts!!! The Big Twelve, with its new commissioner will now actively target other schools. Their preference is to stay west of the Mississippi and active targets include SMU, BYU, Boise State, Air Force and Houston. IMO the Big East will act quickly to expand its football segment with Temple, UCF and Navy being the prime targets. That will bring the conference to 18 members. The football schools (UWV, Louisvile, Cincy, USF, UCF, Navy, Temple, Uconn, Rutgers, TCU) would be as competitive as the ACC---if not better! The schools playing during the basketball season could still make it the top BB conference with new coaches and recruiting! Think of what Jamie Dixon could do at TCU with the western recruiting market! A resurgent St. John's, Louisville, Uconn, Villanova, Marquette, Cincy UWV, Temple, Georgetown, a reorganized Providence program and UCF is in a recuiting hotbed in Florida. CAN YOU SEE IT SJUFAN2........... CAN YOU SEE IT SJUFAN2...........

 

No. I'm blind.

You are talking as if we are going to get a big football contract when our conference is falling apart.,

CAN YOU SEE ANYONE PAYING BIG $$ for the right to broadcast 2nd tier football to regional markets for a conference that is one sneeze away from dissolving into nothingness?

CAN YOU??

(I can't)


And if you really think think that your football lineup (UWV, Louisvile, Cincy, USF, UCF, Navy, Temple, Uconn, Rutgers, TCU) stacks up with what the ACC rolls out there (Miami, FL St, UNC, Virginia, GA Tech, Syracuse, Pitt, VA Tech, BC, Clemson, Maryland, etc) then you are just kidding yourself.

 

Miami=Sanctions
UNC=Probation
BC=Zero in the Northeast
Maryland just got blown away by who????? Starts with a "T" in a major NE city
FlaState=NCAA pending investigation
Virginia= LMAO! Talk about a regional market!
Syracuse=no market in Beast East, will be mediocre in both conferences
Duke=football powerhouse!

Man if you are not blind, you are certainly ACC biased my friend. The ACC just made itself better in basketball but spare me the football power! Now here is the kicker: Rutgers and Uconn, two irrelevant football schools, are soliciting the ACC like French putans for admission into their brothel. I have my doubts the ACC is much better off FOR FOOTBALL, where the real $$ are in TV than it was before!!! Now they need to renegotiate the ESPN deal so that they still get equal shares of the pie. but if Big East and NBC legal beagles start filing anti-trust suits, the future of the super-duper conferences may be in a LONG holding pattern. The Big East needs to reinvent itself and fast! Waiting another 4 years for the Big12 to fold is not on the table anymore since the Big 12 will likely become one of the BIGS!!! For St. John's sake, you better hope the Big East becomes one of the BIGS and not chopped liver on the national landscape! 

BTW, I really do not want to force a blind man to search the Internet for the Maryland-Temple score but the Owls slaughtered the terrapins (they moved real slow) AT COLLEGE PARK in the Washington-Philadelphia NE TV market. Pretty REGIONAL! 38-7. Great game if you are not an ACC commissioner trying to re-negotiate your dirty deal with ESPN!

 

[SJUFAN2]

Miami=Sanctions
UNC=Probation
BC=Zero in the Northeast
Maryland just got blown away by who????? Starts with a "T" in a major NE city
FlaState=NCAA pending investigation
Virginia= LMAO! Talk about a regional market!
Syracuse=no market in Beast East, will be mediocre in both conferences
Duke=football powerhouse!

Man if you are not blind, you are certainly ACC biased my friend. The ACC just made itself better in basketball but spare me the football power!

Stop being so dramatic. I've never said the ACC was a powerhouse football conference. Its the 4th or 5th best in the nation now and will be locked into 4th if they, the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12 all go to 16 teams.

Calling me acc based merely proves that you are missing the point. I HATE THE SEC and I really don't care all that much for college football. For those reasons I'm able to look at this situation objectively. You clearly aren't, not if you think the BE roster of football teams that you are promoting stacks up in any way, shape or form with the ACC as it stands now or as its projected to end up.


And who cares about NCAA investigations anymore? Uconn just won a national title in hoops after one. And if the NCAA hits the 4 football conferences too hard with any penalties how long do you figure it is before the take their ball and go home...so to speak.

BE football is irrelevant now. You need to accept that and get on with your life.

Now here is the kicker: Rutgers and Uconn, two irrelevant football schools, are soliciting the ACC like French putans for admission into their brothel. I have my doubts the ACC is much better off FOR FOOTBALL, where the real $$ are in TV than it was before!!! Now they need to renegotiate the ESPN deal so that they still get equal shares of the pie. but if Big East and NBC legal beagles start filing anti-trust suits, the future of the super-duper conferences may be in a LONG holding pattern. The Big East needs to reinvent itself and fast! Waiting another 4 years for the Big12 to fold is not on the table anymore since the Big 12 will likely become one of the BIGS!!! For St. John's sake, you better hope the Big East becomes one of the BIGS and not chopped liver on the national landscape! 

BTW, I really do not want to force a blind man to search the Internet for the Maryland-Temple score but the Owls slaughtered the terrapins (they moved real slow) AT COLLEGE PARK in the Washington-Philadelphia NE TV market. Pretty REGIONAL! 38-7. Great game if you are not an ACC commissioner trying to re-negotiate your dirty deal with ESPN!

 

Something I remember from a Drivers Ed class I took in High School that might help you:

They taught us not to stare at the hood ornament on the car while you are driving or you can't see far enough down the road to properly handle the car and avoid accidents.

You aren't looking down the road. You aren't even staring at that patch of road beyond your hood ornament. You are locked in on the pimple on the end of your nose and have no idea what you are speeding towards.

Best of luck with that.

 

[frank61]

 I would like to see both teams spurned by ACC and any conference that takes pride in their football teams. I would love to see them out their swinging in the wind.Revenge is a dish best served cold..............

 

[salty dog]

 I would like to see both teams spurned by ACC and any conference that takes pride in their football teams. I would love to see them out their swinging in the wind.Revenge is a dish best served cold..............

 

This is exactly why they are looking. They don't want to be left swinging in the wind. Besides do you think any
university president would trust another one even after a vote of solidarity.
This is what has become of college athletics. Teach the students to do as I say not as I do.

 

[logen]

 I would like to see both teams spurned by ACC and any conference that takes pride in their football teams. I would love to see them out their swinging in the wind.Revenge is a dish best served cold..............

 

This is exactly why they are looking. They don't want to be left swinging in the wind. Besides do you think any
university president would trust another one even after a vote of solidarity.
This is what has become of college athletics. Teach the students to do as I say not as I do.

 

Your point is right on except you can substitute "the world" for college athletics. From church and business leaders to politicians the media, the truth, ethics, trust all have very little to do with anything anymore.

 

[Class of 72]

 SJUFAN2 wrote: "Stop being so dramatic. I've never said the ACC was a powerhouse football conference. Its the 4th or 5th best in the nation now and will be locked into 4th if they, the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12 all go to 16 teams."

I see how you also conveniently left off the Big 12. Well brother, the ACC is then 5th! And here is the kicker----they were and have been 5th for a few years now followed by the BIG EAST! That is a big upgrade to STATUS QUO! LMAO! Syracuse and Pitt added VERY LITTLE value for football, as would Uconn and Rutgers. These were strategic moves by the ACC to weaken the Big East in Basketball where they had firmly overtaken the ACC! The only reason PITT and Syracuse took the ACC bait was their long-term ESPN contract. That meant STABILITY while the A holes in the Big East voted against the ESPN contract ----- thank Seton Hall who adds zero value to the Big East and three other chowder heads! Being such a great visionary that you are, you cannot envision UCF and Temple being upgrades in FOOTBALL??? Navy has a national following and has regularly gotten higher viewer ratings than most Syracuse games! Your vision of the new college basketball world order is closer to a vision of the old ECAC or MAC or even the CHSAA LOL!! DREAM BIGGER SJU and stop being so parochial!!

 

[Class of 72]

Potential Big East football schools Temple, TCU and Navy are ALL rated higher in the 2011-12 power ratings than Pitt and Syracuse! This week there were 3 Big East football schools ranked and 4 ACC. Temple received votes in the polls, Pitt and Syracuse none.

 

[ras]

 Excellent point ,thats why the BE should be proactive. BE needs to to create stability, not just to attract new teams, but to prevent loss of existing teams. The sooner the better.

 

[SJUFAN2]

 SJUFAN2 wrote: "Stop being so dramatic. I've never said the ACC was a powerhouse football conference. Its the 4th or 5th best in the nation now and will be locked into 4th if they, the SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12 all go to 16 teams."

I see how you also conveniently left off the Big 12. Well brother, the ACC is then 5th! !

 

I'm only going to respond to this portion of your last reply because frankly, this is where I stopped reading it. CLEARLY you are just picking a fight, have short term memory issues, you don't bother to read what I've written or you can't understand it. No matter what the problem is there really isn't any reason to continue this conversation any longer. So I'll end things with this dose of reality:

In order for the 4 conferences I mentioned to grow to 16 or 18 teams, the Big 12 will have to be destroyed. A point made numerous times in this thread. Since the big 12 would cease to exist under that expansion scenario, a scenario that would likely end with Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma St in the pac 12 (16) and Missouri (among others) in the SEC, it is impossible, at least in this time/space continuum for that non-extant conference to then challenge the ACC for the #4 best football conference in the country now isn't it??    

 

[otis]

My understanding is that the BEast football reorganization has become a mess because bridesmaids  rutgers, Yukon, and west virginia are holding out against hope that they will receive a better offer from the ACC, B12, or another conference. Each of the aforementioned schools are reluctant to substantially increase the $5M exit fee and accordingly Navy and others are unwilling to make a commitment to BEast football without a solid commit by the bridesmaids.

With the passage of time and the antics of the football schools trying to flee I am becoming to believe that a coast to coast basketball conference as previously outlined by The Honorable JPM may be the best option for our beloved St.John's.

 

[tom in salem]

My understanding is that the BEast football reorganization has become a mess because bridesmaids  rutgers, Yukon, and west virginia are holding out against hope that they will receive a better offer from the ACC, B12, or another conference. Each of the aforementioned schools are reluctant to substantially increase the $5M exit fee and accordingly Navy and others are unwilling to make a commitment to BEast football without a solid commit by the bridesmaids.

With the passage of time and the antics of the football schools trying to flee I am becoming to believe that a coast to coast basketball conference as previously outlined by The Honorable JPM may be the best option for our beloved St.John's.

 

No way.
The olympic sports will go broke.
Temple, UMASS, Xavier, that's the route.