SJUFAN2 wrote:
"...your going to have them hang their hat on the fact that they beat a couple of mid level, mid conference football teams that "received votes"??"
Navy is playing and beating teams in major BCS conferences, they play a national schedule and likely would be more competitive in basketball than BE cellar dwellers USF, DePaul or Seton Hall. So invite them for both since they can't be any more pathetic than the three programs mentioned!
Lol...so they are beating BCS conference cellar dwellers ergo they are the king of the BCS cellar dwellers and therfore a valuable commodity.
'72...the king in a nation where everyone has 1 leg still has one leg.
But to each his own I suppose.
As for basketball driving the bus you must have missed the memo......the mediocre BE football teams have commandeered the bus and the basketball schools are just on for the ride.
Not anymore they aren't. Nothing in the BE will happen going forward without the catholic schools and ND signing off on it. Did you miss the meeting this week? The one where Nova, WVU and Uconn were begging for a seat at the table?
If your goal is to see St. John's become a member of an A10 mid-major conference with no national presence under the trappings of being some sort of basketball super-conference I respectfully disagree.
To each his own. But when the PAC 12, Big 10, SEC and ACC finish expanding (14-18 teams each) the rest of college football is dead. Sure some schools will keep playing...but they will be as relevant as the Ivy league is today. That is to say that they will have no relevance.
If we hook our star to that sinking ship we are dead. I don't care one wit about BE football. I care about St John's hoops. And our future is no longer tethered to the success of BE football.
There are no football powers looking to get an invite to the Big East.....Temple has not even applied. The major BCS conferences look like they have slowed their expansion at least for another year. The Big East needs to negotiate a contract in the next few months or there will be ZERO TV. No TV=No revenue. There will be no contract without the football schools.
That's the point. There are no football programs looking to join a conference that is perceived as a sinking ship (at the moment). Everyone is going to wait to act until the final expansion of the big 4 conferences is completed. Then they will be forced to move. Until then, nobody is going to rock the boat.
This isn't about next year. Its about the next 50 years.
There is going to be no substantial football TV contract for the BE once the dust has settled. ALL the football money will go to the big four conferences and nobody will pay major money to air games that will amount to glorified scrimmages.
As for your knock on ND, they are laughing all the way to the bank! Their record is also a victim of their national schedule and strict academic admissions requirements. If they played all the Big East or ACC teams they would be nationally ranked....well maybe they would still lose to USF and Navy! LOL!
You must have missed my comment about their brand being highly valuable. Yep...they are getting paid. That doesn't change the fact that they've been a national embarrassment on the football field for half a decade or more.
We can throw this BS back and forth forever but time is a fleeting! The Big East needs to make itself attractive for a mega-TV contract. That will not happen with just some leftover basketball schools. In order to stabilize the Big East new upcoming schools need to be signed ASAP. If that means UCF and ECU along with a Houston so be it but Navy for football only adds value for the football schools ---- something Notre Dame does not do at present.
And NAVY is going to deliver a "mega-TV contract"?? That's the funniest thing you've said so far.
BE football is dying. Nobody is paying big bucks to watch a conference that is on the verge of losing its BCS bid and that will be dead once the music stops in this grand game of musical conference realignment.
If the Big East has a future its basketball. Bringing in schools like Navy, schools that don't promote that future is suicide.
This is not just about football, it is about maximizing your schools revenue in the new world order and I want St. John's to benefit financially from the equation.
The BE future isn't about football at all. There is going to be no money there in the very near future. Its future is in building the 2nd or 3rd best basketball conference in the nation. If it doesn't do that, it has no future. BE football is all but dead. If you don't do everything possible to strengthen the basketball side of the equation then there will be no BE conference in a few years and its death throes could destroy our program.
The landscape in major college athletics has changed for the foreseeable future. Adapt or perish.
Adding non hoops schools like Navy is shortsighted and detrimental to the long term health of the St Johns hoops program, and ultimately that is all that matters around here.
