2023 USNWR college rankings

L J S A

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Holy crap, NYU finally busted out of the low 30s where they've been for as long as I can remember.

As for St. John's, I don't think that's a horrible ranking for them. I remember them being way worse (but maybe I'm just imagining that). Climbing the ranks moves at a glacial pace, but if the school can get to #125 or so, that's certainly nothing to sneeze at.

I would look toward a school like Northeastern. They used to be nothing special way back when. Now they are No. 44. Whatever blueprint they are using, St. John's should steal it.

Still waiting for someone to have the guts to put Stanford and University of Chicago No. 1 and 2.
 

rcatalano

Active member
I would like to know what the criteria is to compile these ratings! Find it very hard to believe that a lot of these schools are higher rated than SJU but this Is above my pay grade!
 

otis

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Staff member
I would like to know what the criteria is to compile these ratings……..
Bells is the criteria US news claims it uses for the “Best Colleges” rankings:

GRADUATION AND RETENTION RATES
22% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
22% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
AVERAGE SIX-YEAR GRADUATION RATE
17.6% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
17.6% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
AVERAGE FIRST-YEAR STUDENT RETENTION RATE
4.4% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
4.4% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
SOCIAL MOBILITY
5% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
5% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
PELL GRANT GRADUATION RATES
2.5% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
2.5% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
PELL GRANT GRADUATION RATE PERFORMANCE
2.5% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
2.5% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
GRADUATION RATE PERFORMANCE
8% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
8% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
UNDERGRADUATE ACADEMIC REPUTATION
20% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
20% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
PEER ASSESSMENT SURVEY
20% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
20% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
FACULTY RESOURCES FOR 2021-2022 ACADEMIC YEAR
20% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
20% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
CLASS SIZE INDEX
8% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
8% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
FACULTY COMPENSATION
7% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
7% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
PERCENT FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME FACULTY WITH TERMINAL DEGREE IN THEIR FIELD
3% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
3% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
PERCENT FACULTY THAT IS FULL TIME
1% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
1% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
STUDENT-FACULTY RATIO
1% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
1% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
STUDENT SELECTIVITY FOR THE FALL 2021 ENTERING CLASS
7% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
7% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
MATH AND EVIDENCE-BASED READING AND WRITING PORTIONS OF THE SAT AND THE COMPOSITE ACT SCORES
5% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
5% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
HIGH SCHOOL CLASS STANDING IN TOP 10%
2% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
0% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
HIGH SCHOOL CLASS STANDING IN TOP 25%
0% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
2% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
FINANCIAL RESOURCES PER STUDENT
10% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
10% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
AVERAGE ALUMNI GIVING RATE
3% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
3% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
GRADUATE INDEBTEDNESS
5% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
5% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
GRADUATE INDEBTEDNESS TOTAL
3% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
3% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
GRADUATE INDEBTEDNESS PROPORTION WITH DEBT
2% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
2% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
TOTAL
100% NATIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND NATIONAL LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT
100% REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES AND REGIONAL COLLEGES INDICATOR WEIGHT

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Brooklyn Redmen

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I think one stat that St. John's does well at is salary 5 years/10 years from graduation. It may help that historically St. John's places a number of grads on Wall St or finance jobs.
 

Andrew

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I think one stat that St. John's does well at is salary 5 years/10 years from graduation. It may help that historically St. John's places a number of grads on Wall St or finance jobs.
St. John's has a good business school and is in NY. If you pick a major that is a strength of the college you are attending and excel in the classroom and other activities you will excel in your career most of the time. I think this is true of many colleges that aren't ranked in the top 50. On the other hand if you don't know what you want to do and aren't engaged you can still succeed but you need luck or some good connections. Too much is placed on these rankings as oppposed to the right fit for the student.
 

mm52

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These rankings are getting even more ridiculous. There is no way so many state (e.g. Davis, Merced, etc.), or marginal private (e.g. Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount), institutions located in California, should be ranked in the top 100.
 

otis

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Staff member
Whether you like the US News rankings the reality is that most every kid I know applying to college follows the US News rankings and those rankings are frequently a factor which school the student selects.

Give credit to whoever at US News that came up with the scheme that has kept the name of the once popular weekly magazine alive.
 
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L J S A

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These rankings are getting even more ridiculous. There is no way so many state (e.g. Davis, Merced, etc.), or marginal private (e.g. Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount), institutions located in California, should be ranked in the top 100.
Davis is a good school. I would put it in the top 100 for sure. Merced is only 17 years old, so unless they are doing spectacular things there, you are probably correct.
 

Rocket

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These rankings are getting even more ridiculous. There is no way so many state (e.g. Davis, Merced, etc.), or marginal private (e.g. Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount), institutions located in California, should be ranked in the top 100.
Agree. It seems they take climate into consideration with California schools!!! Santa Clara is a great school academically. It could be a borderline 100 but the California State system, while having the best State funded schools in the nation, play the US News rating game better than any State in the country. While UCLA, California and San Diego are easy picks for top 100, the rest are clearly on the Stony Brook and Binghamton level.
Of course, they are all far superior in their admission standards than SJ and that is the difference maker.
 

jerseyshorejohnny

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Source: Wall Street Journal

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