Heck--the discussion is moot--we win the BET and automatically get in. Our depth in 3 games in 3 days will carry us far. (how's that for "rose colored glasses").
2021-2022 Schedule
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lawmanfan post=437379 said:
Lawman, we finished fourth in the league last season and we were not really close to being chosen for the tournament. The NCAA Selection Committee has shown that they will take a team with a lesser record and a strong schedule over a team with a better record and weak schedule. Under your scenario I believe we are probably a bubble team due to weak SOS. It also depends how much we beat the lesser team on our schedule by. There’s that 10 point criteria. We need to beat all those garbage teams we are playing by 10 points or more to even have a chance of those games meaning anything. And, God forbid we lose one. We don’t have enough tough high quality games later on to make up for it. To start the season I believe the Big East only has one ranked team and that’s Villanova.
It's obviously hard at this time to predict a lot of this. Do we beat Indiana on the road? If Indiana makes the tournament that is a very big win. How do the other Big East teams play in out of conference games? Last year was a really bad year for the conference if this year is better some of the 12 hypothetical wins could be bigger than last year. Maybe we beat Pitt and they have a better year than expected.
I agree that another game against a power conference or top 100 would be helpful but most importantly we have to win some games against the good teams we do play. We don't know how good this team is going to be. If it is as good as many think, I am confident we will get into the NCAA tournament. If it is marginally better than last year we will be on the bubble but hopefully in a better spot. If it doesn't gel well then it won't matter.
It's an interesting conversation but all we can do is hope that the team steps up and has a strong season.
I agree that another game against a power conference or top 100 would be helpful but most importantly we have to win some games against the good teams we do play. We don't know how good this team is going to be. If it is as good as many think, I am confident we will get into the NCAA tournament. If it is marginally better than last year we will be on the bubble but hopefully in a better spot. If it doesn't gel well then it won't matter.
It's an interesting conversation but all we can do is hope that the team steps up and has a strong season.
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Mean Gene post=437436 said:
My mild disagreement would be that (1) IMO we were one win away from an NCAA bid last season; and (2) I believe (though I could be wrong) that the number of Big East teams in history that have won 21 games and NOT gone to the NCAA tournament is zero.
However I agree that past performance is no guarantee of future results and also that the schedule may not help seeding depending on how the Big East stacks up against other conferences overall. Though it usually ends up ranked 2nd or 3rd and the only reason the other highly-ranked conferences get more bids is because they're larger.
That 10 point criteria exists for margin of victory. However, (unless its been changed) there is no cap for the offensive and defensive efficiencies portion of the formula. So, a 30 point win will be worth more than a 10 point win regardless of the 10 point MOV cap. Also, our pace of play results in a greater number of possessions per game. So, you have to win by a larger margin in order to maintain pace with a team that plays slower and has less possessions per game.Mean Gene post=437436 said:
I think the 10 point thing is gone, but yes efficiency still counts, so if anything, we need to run up scores even more.weathermannyc post=437458 said:
But, like you said, we will play a faster pace. Yes, we need to be efficient, but it also means a bit more margin for error.
The only thing proven is that the committer Will take any Big Ten team and overrate them so the entire league gets in. ;-). The schedule isn’t awful and last year was an odd year with some leagues being overrated vastly and others struggling. Look at our league alone that was ranking teams higher that played less games but a higher winning percentage without even playing some of the toughest games? Hopefully that doesn’t happen again this year but I wouldn’t use last year as the norm.
P1NSTR1PEZ
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There's such a catch 22 with this schedule and this roster because of this circus of a transfer portal. With the amount of transfers, and freshmen you want them to have time to gel in game situations so ideally games vs Miss Valley St are good ways to gauge chemistry and talent. On the other hand, the talent level here, especially with Julian back, should be high enough that those assessments can be made vs higher end talent like URI and St Bonny etc. Then you have the argument that these non conf games (sans Kansas and Indiana) are meaningless when it comes to end of season tournament ranking unless you lose. Thus, giving you ZERO margin for error. You can't lose a single game that isn't Indiana and Kansas, and more so you basically HAVE to win one of them or else. Then you also need to have a really strong Big East season to make up for the non conf schedule, like 12-8 minimum in the Big East play. It's tough...but ultimately this schedule is atrocious and 1-2 more top 150 teams would have done wonders for this group overall. At this point it doesn't matter, we need to just win every game and go from there.
Redmen88
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Bottom line, we should make the tournament this year. It would be a travesty if we did not make the tourney this year. I feel like our team is as strong as it has been in a long time. It is well balanced, although lots of new players. I am more optimistic then usual going into this season. Hoping we all enjoy the ride...
Won't apply to under 12's who cannot get a vax yet.mjmaherjr post=437617 said:
This was announced today for all indoor events in NYC and it will probably include restaurants.
Don't forget to get those red masks,
Cragg today on SJU games at MSG
“Trying to work out dates and availability in a wild year of late schedules and robust concert business - so we are hoping for 3 or 4 games and also trying to get our women’s game against UConn at MSG too.”
Zach B; “Would think Villanova and UConn are locks.”
If four at MSG I’d be surprised not to see SH and GT there.
“Trying to work out dates and availability in a wild year of late schedules and robust concert business - so we are hoping for 3 or 4 games and also trying to get our women’s game against UConn at MSG too.”
Zach B; “Would think Villanova and UConn are locks.”
If four at MSG I’d be surprised not to see SH and GT there.
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Average about sixteen thousand for the MSG games and close to that figure for the Kansas game at Belmont and then increase the number of games the following year. MSG is not looking to book events that draw eight thousand.
MakingPlays
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It's an odd year recovering from pandemic, won't be the norm. Figure 5 regular seasons games there... Pitt, UConn, Nova, Seton Hall, and Georgetown.mjmaherjr post=437803 said: