2019 Jets

[quote="SJUFAN2" post=361702]As a dolphin fan I usually would be pleased with a Jets melt down, or at the very worst I wouldn't care how bad the Jets were, but this is just sad. I feel their pain, because we were on this merry-go-round of trying to fit a HC or GM with a currently employed GM or HC. It took ten years for them to figure out that is madness. Now they have a GM who runs the show, and who hired a coach he wanted that shares his vision for the team's direction.

Johnson needs to fire himself and hire a someone who knows what they are doing running an NFL front office. I thought the Met's and Knick's ownership were the absolute worst but this is horrifically bad.

In the last year...
- Johnson gives McCagnan control.
- Johnson/McCagnan can't get Iowa St HC to interview.
- Johnson/McCagnan won't let Baylor coach hire his own OC (who does this?) so he turns down the job.
- Johnson forces McCagnan to hire Gase because of Peyton Manning endorsement.
- McCagnan and Gase disagree on how to spend FA cap space. Johnson allows McCagnan to spend that cap space.
- Johnson Allows McCagnan to choose players in 2019 draft.
- Gase blows up McCagnan's choices in FA and the Draft, Johnson fires McCagnan.
- Johnson hands control over to Gase.
- Gase hires figurehead GM.

Now Gase is on his way to flopping miserably, but nobody fires a guy less than a year after giving him total control over football operations and without allowing them to sign a FA class or run a draft...do they?

What does it say about Johnson that firing Gase is even a talking point today? He should be out there talking about the change in direction they took in May, preaching patience, and that they need to give Gase a couple of years to bring in "his players". That's the only fair thing to do, and the only way for him to even pretend that he knows what he's doing, but he's not doing that. He's letting this "fire Gase" movement to gain momentum. Why?

Is it utter incompetence by ownership or does he see what everyone else sees? That while Gase wouldn't be getting a fair shake if they fired him today or at the end of the season, he clearly isn't the answer.

My only question is if they do fire Gase in January, will they do the right thing and fire Douglas as well so they can start from scratch? Or will they stay on the carousel and force a HC on him he doesn't want?

Johnson might be the worst owner in NY sports. He combines the apathy and incompetence of the Wilpons with the ego and need to interfere of James Dolan. He needs to hire one guy to run everything and step out of the way or it's never getting better.[/quote]

There aren't a lot of good solutions here. I agree that firing Gase and Douglas makes the most sense. The problem is that anyone who knows what they are doing are not interested in working for the Jets.
 
[quote="Andrew" post=361728]There aren't a lot of good solutions here. I agree that firing Gase and Douglas makes the most sense. The problem is that anyone who knows what they are doing are not interested in working for the Jets.[/quote]

Yeah, that's a problem. But in the NFL, $$$ talks. They need to find a guy and give him total control as GM. Let him hire his HC and then let that HC hire his staff.

It's funny, Gase was the LAST guy I wanted the Jets to hire. He's a very smart guy, manning loves him, and former Giants GM Ernie Accorsi said of Gase (and I'm paraphrasing): 'I've done thousands of interviews of prospective coaching hires in my life. TWO of them stand out head and shoulders above the rest as candidates that were on another level intellectually. One was Bill Belechick, the other was Adam Gase.'

I felt that if you gave him a great young QB to work with he could follow Belicheat's career path and be better in his second gig. I was genuinely concerned that the Jets could succeed the Pats as the dominant team in the AFC East for the next 15 years.

Then you gave him total control of the organization and I knew he'd flop.

I don't think that front office structure works in today's NFL at all. Sure there's an outlier or two that can make it work on some level, but for me being an NFL HC is a 24hr a day, 365 day a year job. So is being a GM. Nobody is capable of doing both jobs at the same time at the highest level.

To win in the NFL a team needs a GM with total organizational control. Then you let him hire someone as HC who shares his vision and belief in the style of ball they want to play. That GM lets the HC hire his staff. He can veto someone, but can't force someone on the HC. The GM then is responsible for the 1,3, & 5 year plans for the organization. He's in charge of the big picture, and all personnel moves.

The HC has one job. That's to win the next game. All his energies should be devoted to that task and only that task.

Sure the HC and GM need to collaborate on which players they should go after but that shouldn't be a problem if the GM hire's his guy and the owner's door is closed to coaches and players.

Its not a complex formula yet it stuns me how often NFL teams get it horribly wrong.
 
Dolphin fans dancing in the streets and on the sports talk and sports news sites when the Jets hired Gase.
 
Johnson says Gase here to stay no matter what happens. Listen I hate Gase and don’t think he’s an answer but at least Sam will have some stability now. Get him an O Line and really see what he’s good, having the right QB is everything in this league
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=362992]Johnson says Gase here to stay no matter what happens. Listen I hate Gase and don’t think he’s an answer but at least Sam will have some stability now. Get him an O Line and really see what he’s good, having the right QB is everything in this league[/quote] The top 5 picks for the Jets better be 5 new OL. He has no chance back there to show anything.
 
Gase and Shurmer does anyone think either one of these 2 aren't among the top 5 worst coaches in the nfl ? I'm asking because I dont follow other teams as much other than the chargers
 
If Johnson wants to back Gase he should also tell Gase... playoffs or bust next year. Enough is enough. It’s been a decade since the jets made the playoffs. The AFC isn’t even good outside of the top 3 teams. There’s no excuse to not be fighting for the wild card at the very least
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=363118]If Johnson wants to back Gase he should also tell Gase... playoffs or bust next year. Enough is enough. It’s been a decade since the jets made the playoffs. The AFC isn’t even good outside of the top 3 teams. There’s no excuse to not be fighting for the wild card at the very least[/quote]

I get the frustration, but the reality of this is that Gase got control of the organization in June. He hasn't even drafted a player or signed an impact FA yet.

If Johnson doesn't give him at least two drafts/FA classes to bring in his own guys then he'll make it nearly impossible to hire a quality HC to replace him.

If you were an up and coming candidate, would you even interview with a franchise that fired your predecessor after one draft class?
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=363189][quote="Jack Williams" post=363118]If Johnson wants to back Gase he should also tell Gase... playoffs or bust next year. Enough is enough. It’s been a decade since the jets made the playoffs. The AFC isn’t even good outside of the top 3 teams. There’s no excuse to not be fighting for the wild card at the very least[/quote]

I get the frustration, but the reality of this is that Gase got control of the organization in June. He hasn't even drafted a player or signed an impact FA yet.

If Johnson doesn't give him at least two drafts/FA classes to bring in his own guys then he'll make it nearly impossible to hire a quality HC to replace him.

If you were an up and coming candidate, would you even interview with a franchise that fired your predecessor after one draft class?[/quote]

I don't know if 2 wins against the worst teams in the NFL has softened me up, but I think the Jets need to stick with Gase until Douglas and co build Sam a competent offensive line.

If they get Sam the O-Line, and Gase cannot manufacture that into wins, then he will then have to go.

I honestly feel for Gase. He is the "QB whisperer" but his young QB is running for his life with third stringers protecting him. Sunday has potential to get ugly because Oakland can get after the QB.

But hey, 9-7 will get you into the playoffs with the way this lousy AFC is shaping up, so until we get that 8th loss im gonna watch this team and root
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=364773]J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS[/quote]
Gase seems buoyed by the vote of confidence. Darnold playing much better after his illness may have slowed him down. D balled out!
 
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[quote="bamafan" post=364782][quote="Jack Williams" post=364773]J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS[/quote]
Gase seems buoyed by the vote of confidence. Darnold playing much better after his illness may have slowed him down. D balled out![/quote]

I know almost everyone who likes the Jets hates the Johnsons but I gotta say Chris Johnson declaring Gase our coach for next season seemed to relax everyone and let everyone just get to work.

Gase has also done way better with the playcalls, the O Line blocked well against a formidable Raiders pass rush.

@Bengals and home vs Dolphins, the Jets could be a 6-7 football team. That would be impressive considering where they were.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=364784][quote="bamafan" post=364782][quote="Jack Williams" post=364773]J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS[/quote]
Gase seems buoyed by the vote of confidence. Darnold playing much better after his illness may have slowed him down. D balled out![/quote]

I know almost everyone who likes the Jets hates the Johnsons but I gotta say Chris Johnson declaring Gase our coach for next season seemed to relax everyone and let everyone just get to work.

Gase has also done way better with the playcalls, the O Line blocked well against a formidable Raiders pass rush.

@Bengals and home vs Dolphins, the Jets could be a 6-7 football team. That would be impressive considering where they were.[/quote]

Are you still sure Daniel Jones is better than Darnold?
 
[quote="Andrew" post=364796][quote="Jack Williams" post=364784][quote="bamafan" post=364782][quote="Jack Williams" post=364773]J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS[/quote]
Gase seems buoyed by the vote of confidence. Darnold playing much better after his illness may have slowed him down. D balled out![/quote]

I know almost everyone who likes the Jets hates the Johnsons but I gotta say Chris Johnson declaring Gase our coach for next season seemed to relax everyone and let everyone just get to work.

Gase has also done way better with the playcalls, the O Line blocked well against a formidable Raiders pass rush.

@Bengals and home vs Dolphins, the Jets could be a 6-7 football team. That would be impressive considering where they were.[/quote]

Are you still sure Daniel Jones is better than Darnold?[/quote]

I’m pretty sure Darnold is the best quarterback in the league
 
If jets do not make playoffs next year Gase will be out. Could see Bienemy getting a serious look at that point
 
Fix the offensive line through free agency and the draft and get Sammy Big Spleen a couple more weapons.
 
Becton as a HS Hooper

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