Hello 72,
Before reacting to my posts you may want to read them first.
As I have EXPLICITLY said many times (most recently yesterday) "people can do what they want with their own hard earned money"
I wouldn't recommend it but heck if someone wants to do it, it's on them. I think if one does want to go to C.W. Post or Rider or whatever private school (for whatever reason) they may want to consider a community college first for the initial 2 years.
Second, I NEVER stated (or implied, for that matter) that we should do away with most private colleges as you cited. I just never want to hear somebody complain that they are X number of dollars in student loan debt and they can't find a job. No one forced then to go into debt or major in something where the employment options are non existent.
Again, to re-echo a previous comment: If these kids are going to go into debt, the university has a responsibility to provide them with a rigorous education and not let them slide through with a bunch of Mickey Mouse courses. They should make certain that their math, reading and writing skills are worthy of consideration in the marketplace once they graduate. St. John's should set the bar high and do everything they can to help these students who do not come equipped with strong academic skill sets when they arrive on campus. These kids should be challenged and encouraged to become intellectually curious. Now that would be be impressive.
Let me share 2 examples with you that are true and yet, as I'm sure you would agree, are beyond belief.
In the first instance I remember reading the Asbury Park Prees, the local Shore paper, and on the front page one Sunday was a story about a father complaining that his son had accumulated a significant amount of student loan debt from Monmout U. and couldn't find a job. Wow !! Was it a surprise that the debt came due ?? Did the father expect him to land a job at Goldman or J.P. Morgan paying $100,000 a year?? Perhaps they should have had a conversation BEFORE he matriculated at MU. Just a thought.
The second example, also true, involves a relative of my niece's husband. Seems that the kid went to a private school and accumulated $100K (not $10K, BUT $100K) in student loan debt and somehow he and his parents were shocked when the loan was due and he had a "mortgage" payment to pay every month.
If someone (from a family with an AGI of below $50K, which comprises about a third of all St. John's undergrads) wants to go $50K into debt (your BMW) for a St. John's education, be my guest. They are free to do so and God Bless them !
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MY problem is that I am one of the few on this BASKETBALL forum that reads yours and OTIS's views on how God awful a St. John's education has or is becoming! Put your posts on the "other" community discussion board on this site in the future when it does not pertain to our team. As far as your implications You should re-read your comments! Here is an example:
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I cannot figure out why anyone who lives in NJ would go to Seton Hall, or Monmouth or Rider, or fill in the blank (with the exception of Princeton) when they could go to Rutgers and pay less than $15K a yr. in tuition. "
Heck, maybe I am reading too much into your double talk but that sure sounds like it is either Princeton or a State institution to me! You see, I did fill in the blanks with other private colleges but you keep coming back to Rutgers, John Jay, Oneonta Community College and (fill in the blanks) because you are of the opinion that it is not worth going into a college loan debt.......but maybe it is ok to finance your kids desire for a BMW, Lexus or any other luxury car before he lands a job!
Peace brother![/quote]
Despite our differences I'm sure we would like each other !!
That said, these posts are NOT on the Redmen.Com BASKETBALL section. They are on the section that use to be called OPEN DISCUSSION and is now named PLAYERS LOUNGE.
The issue is NOT, (your words) HOW HORRIBLE A ST. JOHN'S EDUCATION HAS BECOME OR IS BECOMING (which I never stated) but is the education worth the amount of student loan debt one has to saddle themselves with. Unfortunately for many, this is not discussed until the bill comes due.
There are many programs at St. John's that I think are worth the money (i.e student loan debt), to a degree. Once again, as I have mentioned in other posts, they include such courses of study as those offered in The College of Pharmacy and the Allied Health Professions, The College of Business: Accounting, Finance, Computer Science, and The College of Arts and Sciences: Math, Chemistry, Biology and Physics, to name the most prominent. I'm sure others could add to that list.
Again, as I have pointed out to the point of ad nauseum, I don't think it is worth the money to go into heavy debt for many so-called soft majors. That is my personal opinion. If you think and/or others think it is worth the money, God Bless You. It's your money (or loan debt) and if you feel OK with that, so be it. It's no big deal to me. I'm not going to be the one paying it down.
Regarding the double talk comment, as far as I am concerned, it is MY OPINION that most kids would be better off going to a community college and then transferring to a 4 yr. school. Preferably this would be a state school, but if someone goes to a private school, at least they will not be burdened with the amount of debt thye would have accumulated if they went there as a freshman.
In addition, the only way I am financing a BMW, Jaguar, or Lexus is if it for myself!
If a kid comes from a family of financial means they will not suffer the same consequences (obviously) as ayoung man or woman who comes from a family that is struggling financially and has saddled himself/herself with an unreasonable amount of student loan debt.
It is the latter that I am concerned about in particular, not the former.
Peace and have a Great Weekend !!
