2012-2013 Men's Big East Conference Awards

So, does him winning ROY add to the possibility of him jumping to the draft?

Does him NOT winning ROY add to the decision of him staying?

If so, I'm pulling for the kid on 'Nova to win.

Just saying.
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Incredible...
 
I don't want to continue to derail the thread.... But if Lavin didn't have to totally reload an entire roster, then things would be different. I can say with confidence that Lavin would have us in solid position to dance, if he only had to garner signatures from 2 or 3 kids once he took the job. Other than bringing in a John Calipari-like class of 4 or 5 consensus top 10 players would've made the transition much smoother. Calipari also had a couple of very, highly-rated players, as well as a mature or older player remaining on the roster after bringing in his tremendous haul. Basically, only Calipari could've made the most--in a short time--out of such a situation.

St. John's also isn't in a position (at least, not currently) where they can lose a talent (Harkless) after one season. Most folks expected Harkless to be back until he tore apart Duke, and had Musberger and Vitale (MAINLY, Musberger) slobbering all over him (on national tv) in the process.

Frankly, if it wasn't for some incompetence (NCAA on Sanchez), poor luck (Branch's injuries with his eye and leg), and stubborness (Harrison), then we would be dancing. Heck! I think we're 10-8, if Harrison was still playing. I know it's the "if" game, and I'm one who do not like to play it. But those were things none of us were expecting. Was anyone truly expecting such?

My predictions of the season was initially based on Sanchez and Gift being part of the team. Not to mention, I never factored in Branch missing so, many games due to injury, and Harrison going 'Rambo' on the staff and team (just clowning, folks).

Hopefully, everyone returns, and we're able to bring in Jordan or someone else of significance. Maybe, we get some (good) luck, and things start to really go our way a season from now. It's certainly going to be an important one.
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While I agree with much of hat you stated, consider this. Lavin did have the luxury of signing only 2 to 3 players this year, and to date, he has lost out on all of them. On a team that was desperate for an inside presence, we lost out on Jermane Lawrence, Jarrell Martin and Ismail Wainwright. Also, it was Lavins decision to red shirt Gift, one that I and many fans writers etc. consider to be a grave miscalculation. I believe that Gift would have been the difference between dancing ( with him ) and not ( without ).
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He didn't have the luxury of signing those 2 or 3 players when he first took the job, which was my point. He's still building the roster because of having to bring in an entire roster from the jump. Of course, he had the luxury of bringing in a couple of players from the 2013 class, but that is irrelevant to my initial point.

Martin wasn't gonna come here, so it was good to even see him have us listed so late in the game. I was a bit surprised about Wainwright, as I thought he would end up here. I wasn't surprised about Lawrence, considering his situation. Nevertheless, we lost out on him.

I also didn't like to see Gift sit out this season, as I thought he could've helped us. But if you think Gift was the difference between us dancing and not dancing, then this is where I'll disagree. I don't think I can confidently say such. If you had said Sanchez, then I'd probably agree.

So while Lavin has certainly given a shot in the arm to a floundering program, he is certainly somewhat accountable for the level of performance we never reached.
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Sure, he is accountable for the situation. But considering he had to go out and garner an entire roster didn't help matters, either. What is the level we never reached? Giving up on him already, Linda?

He took a team who had never experienced any form of winning to a 3rd place finish and the NCAA Tournament. He was out last season due to illness, and some shoddy luck (Sanchez, Branch, and Harrison) and miscalculation (Gift) set us a bit back this season.

I'll give him 4 or 5 years, like most coaches deserves.
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Linda? Not giving up on him at all, was just upset with him red shirting Gift. And if you consider some of the close games we have been in and lost, Marquette most recently, we got beat on the offensive glass for several put backs. If we only got a couple of more rebounds that would have stopped a put back here or there, I am sure we would have won a few more of those games. So yes, a few more wins would have made the difference between making the tourney or not.

In terms of recruiting, I don't think that even the most ardent fans would consider this years recruited class even marginally successful. Just hoping there is some front court player somewhere that may surface. After all we are like 290th in D1 in rebounding differential.
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We got beat on the glass last season, as well, even with Gift. Gift would've helped, but I'm just not sure he would've helped to the point you're making it out. Collectively, we missed out on the entire group I mentioned in my earlier post.

I don't think anyone mentioned our recruiting being marginally successful, so I don't know why that was even mentioned, Linda (yes, Linda). I'd also like for us to add another inside presence. Been stating it for a several weeks.

I'm gonna guess the frontcourt help will come, per the returning group, along with Sanchez and the guy you've mentioned that would've helped us advance to the dance, in Gift.
 
I don't want to continue to derail the thread.... But if Lavin didn't have to totally reload an entire roster, then things would be different. I can say with confidence that Lavin would have us in solid position to dance, if he only had to garner signatures from 2 or 3 kids once he took the job. Other than bringing in a John Calipari-like class of 4 or 5 consensus top 10 players would've made the transition much smoother. Calipari also had a couple of very, highly-rated players, as well as a mature or older player remaining on the roster after bringing in his tremendous haul. Basically, only Calipari could've made the most--in a short time--out of such a situation.

St. John's also isn't in a position (at least, not currently) where they can lose a talent (Harkless) after one season. Most folks expected Harkless to be back until he tore apart Duke, and had Musberger and Vitale (MAINLY, Musberger) slobbering all over him (on national tv) in the process.

Frankly, if it wasn't for some incompetence (NCAA on Sanchez), poor luck (Branch's injuries with his eye and leg), and stubborness (Harrison), then we would be dancing. Heck! I think we're 10-8, if Harrison was still playing. I know it's the "if" game, and I'm one who do not like to play it. But those were things none of us were expecting. Was anyone truly expecting such?

My predictions of the season was initially based on Sanchez and Gift being part of the team. Not to mention, I never factored in Branch missing so, many games due to injury, and Harrison going 'Rambo' on the staff and team (just clowning, folks).

Hopefully, everyone returns, and we're able to bring in Jordan or someone else of significance. Maybe, we get some (good) luck, and things start to really go our way a season from now. It's certainly going to be an important one.
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While I agree with much of hat you stated, consider this. Lavin did have the luxury of signing only 2 to 3 players this year, and to date, he has lost out on all of them. On a team that was desperate for an inside presence, we lost out on Jermane Lawrence, Jarrell Martin and Ismail Wainwright. Also, it was Lavins decision to red shirt Gift, one that I and many fans writers etc. consider to be a grave miscalculation. I believe that Gift would have been the difference between dancing ( with him ) and not ( without ).
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He didn't have the luxury of signing those 2 or 3 players when he first took the job, which was my point. He's still building the roster because of having to bring in an entire roster from the jump. Of course, he had the luxury of bringing in a couple of players from the 2013 class, but that is irrelevant to my initial point.

Martin wasn't gonna come here, so it was good to even see him have us listed so late in the game. I was a bit surprised about Wainwright, as I thought he would end up here. I wasn't surprised about Lawrence, considering his situation. Nevertheless, we lost out on him.

I also didn't like to see Gift sit out this season, as I thought he could've helped us. But if you think Gift was the difference between us dancing and not dancing, then this is where I'll disagree. I don't think I can confidently say such. If you had said Sanchez, then I'd probably agree.

So while Lavin has certainly given a shot in the arm to a floundering program, he is certainly somewhat accountable for the level of performance we never reached.
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Sure, he is accountable for the situation. But considering he had to go out and garner an entire roster didn't help matters, either. What is the level we never reached? Giving up on him already, Linda?

He took a team who had never experienced any form of winning to a 3rd place finish and the NCAA Tournament. He was out last season due to illness, and some shoddy luck (Sanchez, Branch, and Harrison) and miscalculation (Gift) set us a bit back this season.

I'll give him 4 or 5 years, like most coaches deserves.
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Linda? Not giving up on him at all, was just upset with him red shirting Gift. And if you consider some of the close games we have been in and lost, Marquette most recently, we got beat on the offensive glass for several put backs. If we only got a couple of more rebounds that would have stopped a put back here or there, I am sure we would have won a few more of those games. So yes, a few more wins would have made the difference between making the tourney or not.

In terms of recruiting, I don't think that even the most ardent fans would consider this years recruited class even marginally successful. Just hoping there is some front court player somewhere that may surface. After all we are like 290th in D1 in rebounding differential.
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We got beat on the glass last season, as well, even with Gift. Gift would've helped, but I'm just not sure he would've helped to the point you're making it out. Collectively, we missed out on the entire group I mentioned in my earlier post.

I don't think anyone mentioned our recruiting being marginally successful, so I don't know why that was even mentioned, Linda (yes, Linda). I'd also like for us to add another inside presence. Been stating it for a several weeks.

I'm gonna guess the frontcourt help will come, per the returning group, along with Sanchez and the guy you've mentioned that would've helped us advance to the dance, in Gift.
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My Gift comment is based on the opinion that he would have had some degree of improvement. Would you not believe that he would have improved somewhat with a years experience under his belt. And if you don't believe that then why would you even want him back next year?
 
I don't want to continue to derail the thread.... But if Lavin didn't have to totally reload an entire roster, then things would be different. I can say with confidence that Lavin would have us in solid position to dance, if he only had to garner signatures from 2 or 3 kids once he took the job. Other than bringing in a John Calipari-like class of 4 or 5 consensus top 10 players would've made the transition much smoother. Calipari also had a couple of very, highly-rated players, as well as a mature or older player remaining on the roster after bringing in his tremendous haul. Basically, only Calipari could've made the most--in a short time--out of such a situation.

St. John's also isn't in a position (at least, not currently) where they can lose a talent (Harkless) after one season. Most folks expected Harkless to be back until he tore apart Duke, and had Musberger and Vitale (MAINLY, Musberger) slobbering all over him (on national tv) in the process.

Frankly, if it wasn't for some incompetence (NCAA on Sanchez), poor luck (Branch's injuries with his eye and leg), and stubborness (Harrison), then we would be dancing. Heck! I think we're 10-8, if Harrison was still playing. I know it's the "if" game, and I'm one who do not like to play it. But those were things none of us were expecting. Was anyone truly expecting such?

My predictions of the season was initially based on Sanchez and Gift being part of the team. Not to mention, I never factored in Branch missing so, many games due to injury, and Harrison going 'Rambo' on the staff and team (just clowning, folks).

Hopefully, everyone returns, and we're able to bring in Jordan or someone else of significance. Maybe, we get some (good) luck, and things start to really go our way a season from now. It's certainly going to be an important one.
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While I agree with much of hat you stated, consider this. Lavin did have the luxury of signing only 2 to 3 players this year, and to date, he has lost out on all of them. On a team that was desperate for an inside presence, we lost out on Jermane Lawrence, Jarrell Martin and Ismail Wainwright. Also, it was Lavins decision to red shirt Gift, one that I and many fans writers etc. consider to be a grave miscalculation. I believe that Gift would have been the difference between dancing ( with him ) and not ( without ).
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He didn't have the luxury of signing those 2 or 3 players when he first took the job, which was my point. He's still building the roster because of having to bring in an entire roster from the jump. Of course, he had the luxury of bringing in a couple of players from the 2013 class, but that is irrelevant to my initial point.

Martin wasn't gonna come here, so it was good to even see him have us listed so late in the game. I was a bit surprised about Wainwright, as I thought he would end up here. I wasn't surprised about Lawrence, considering his situation. Nevertheless, we lost out on him.

I also didn't like to see Gift sit out this season, as I thought he could've helped us. But if you think Gift was the difference between us dancing and not dancing, then this is where I'll disagree. I don't think I can confidently say such. If you had said Sanchez, then I'd probably agree.

So while Lavin has certainly given a shot in the arm to a floundering program, he is certainly somewhat accountable for the level of performance we never reached.
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Sure, he is accountable for the situation. But considering he had to go out and garner an entire roster didn't help matters, either. What is the level we never reached? Giving up on him already, Linda?

He took a team who had never experienced any form of winning to a 3rd place finish and the NCAA Tournament. He was out last season due to illness, and some shoddy luck (Sanchez, Branch, and Harrison) and miscalculation (Gift) set us a bit back this season.

I'll give him 4 or 5 years, like most coaches deserves.
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Linda? Not giving up on him at all, was just upset with him red shirting Gift. And if you consider some of the close games we have been in and lost, Marquette most recently, we got beat on the offensive glass for several put backs. If we only got a couple of more rebounds that would have stopped a put back here or there, I am sure we would have won a few more of those games. So yes, a few more wins would have made the difference between making the tourney or not.

In terms of recruiting, I don't think that even the most ardent fans would consider this years recruited class even marginally successful. Just hoping there is some front court player somewhere that may surface. After all we are like 290th in D1 in rebounding differential.
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We got beat on the glass last season, as well, even with Gift. Gift would've helped, but I'm just not sure he would've helped to the point you're making it out. Collectively, we missed out on the entire group I mentioned in my earlier post.

I don't think anyone mentioned our recruiting being marginally successful, so I don't know why that was even mentioned, Linda (yes, Linda). I'd also like for us to add another inside presence. Been stating it for a several weeks.

I'm gonna guess the frontcourt help will come, per the returning group, along with Sanchez and the guy you've mentioned that would've helped us advance to the dance, in Gift.
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My Gift comment is based on the opinion that he would have had some degree of improvement. Would you not believe that he would have improved somewhat with a years experience under his belt. And if you don't believe that then why would you even want him back next year?
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Sure, he could've improved with another year under his belt. IMO, I'm just not sure whether he would've been the difference between us dancing or not. Not on his sole presence. Maybe, with the presence of the others I've mentioned.

Regardless, he was missed. Just not to the effect that you've mentioned.
 
I agree that we really could have used Gift, and Sanchez this year. What is Moe didn't leave? Lots of coulda shoulda woulda's. Ill say this though.
Obepka is a long 6'9, Garrett 6'7, Dom 6'6, Jones 6'7, Sampson 6'8. It's not uncommon for us to have 3 of these guys on the court at once. D'Lo has grabbed some boards and Branch at 6'3 isn't exactly a midget at PG. It's not the size that's killing our rebounding...I think it's the players lack of desire. They all either ball watch or try to block the shot. An attempt at a block by Obepka already draws him out of primary rebounding position, we're lucky if we have more than one more guy going for the rebound. These kids want to run so bad they're putting the cart before the horse. On offense no one is in the paint period. It's not uncommon to see 4 defenders fight with themselves for the board when we take a shot. It's a problem this team can solve on their own.
 
I can't see any other freshman being BE ROY than Sampson. That would be a travesty.
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If Jakarr does get it -- and it sounds like he's a lock -- that'll mean that in his first two recruiting classes, Lavin will have brought in two BE Rookies of the Year: Sampson and Harkless. And neither would have come here if it hadn't been for Lavin. You know how many other times a St. John's player was named ROK since its inception 33 years ago? Once ... David Russell, back in its first season, 1979-80. That's one in 31 years vs. two in 2 years. Hmm. So much for the critics who are bemoaning Lavin's inability to sign anyone so far this year.
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they weren't so highly ranked when they were recruited here. they were coached up. that's a tribute to the staff. i'd like to see jayson williams come on board to coach up the rebounding.

our record is disappointing based on a few miscalculations...i.e. sanchez debacle...gift redshirt...etc. we could have had 20 wins if we hadn't lost to some of the dregs we had no business losing to.
 
I can't see any other freshman being BE ROY than Sampson. That would be a travesty.
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If Jakarr does get it -- and it sounds like he's a lock -- that'll mean that in his first two recruiting classes, Lavin will have brought in two BE Rookies of the Year: Sampson and Harkless. And neither would have come here if it hadn't been for Lavin. You know how many other times a St. John's player was named ROK since its inception 33 years ago? Once ... David Russell, back in its first season, 1979-80. That's one in 31 years vs. two in 2 years. Hmm. So much for the critics who are bemoaning Lavin's inability to sign anyone so far this year.
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they weren't so highly ranked when they were recruited here. they were coached up. that's a tribute to the staff. i'd like to see jayson williams come on board to coach up the rebounding.

our record is disappointing based on a few miscalculations...i.e. sanchez debacle...gift redshirt...etc. we could have had 20 wins if we hadn't lost to some of the dregs we had no business losing to.
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Even without the Sanchez debacle and Gift redshirt we 'should' have won 20. Asheville, San Fran, Rutgers at home. Prov and Marquette with Harrison. Take your pick
 
@LennRobbins: JaKarr Sampson. The big east rookie of the year. Two in a row for St. John's. Harkless and Sampson #stjbb
 
@GregLogan1: JaKarr Sampson on NBA prospects: "I won't go unless I feel I'm ready. I'm in no rush." #stjbb

@Kieran_Lynch: "I’m in no rush, I’m going to take my time. That’s what I did at Brewster Academy." Sampson #stjbb

@Kieran_Lynch: "I don’t just want to make it to the NBA. I want to be a pro in the NBA, an all star. I want to make it for a long time." Sampson #stjbb
 
@GregLogan1: Steve Lavin says JaKarr Sampson has indicated his focus is on next year with SJU: "I'd be surprised if he's not with us." #stjbb
 
@GregLogan1: Steve Lavin says JaKarr Sampson has indicated his focus is on next year with SJU: "I'd be surprised if he's not with us." #stjbb
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Congrats to Karr!
I think the combination of Karr, Sanchez and Obekpa will give SJ the best front line we have had in years. Now if we can get our backcourt in order, it could be a special year.
 
@GregLogan1: Steve Lavin says JaKarr Sampson has indicated his focus is on next year with SJU: "I'd be surprised if he's not with us." #stjbb
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Congrats to Karr!
I think the combination of Karr, Sanchez and Obekpa will give SJ the best front line we have had in years. Now if we can get our backcourt in order, it could be a special year.
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Then we can rebuild again :)
 
@GregLogan1: Steve Lavin says JaKarr Sampson has indicated his focus is on next year with SJU: "I'd be surprised if he's not with us." #stjbb
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Congrats to Karr!
I think the combination of Karr, Sanchez and Obekpa will give SJ the best front line we have had in years. Now if we can get our backcourt in order, it could be a special year.
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Then we can rebuild again :)
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It's all Norm's fault!
In reality, Lavin needs to sign a couple of high level players in the 2014 class to keep SJ competitive on the national level. IMO, recruiting top players, regardless of the number of ships available, must occur every year and he needs to deliver a player every year. It was not his coaching strenght that got him the job but the fact that his name was "Steve Lavin....former coach of UCLA". By next year, with mostly upperclassmen, I think his job will be on the line if he (a) does not win 20+ games in the new Big East and (b) signs a couple of top 75 players.
Rebuilding after year 4 will not be an option for him. If SJ needs to rebuild in 2015, I can guarantee it will not be with Steve Lavin.
 
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