2012-2013 Men's Big East Conference Awards

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@BigEastMBB: All-BIG EAST First Team:
Shabazz Napier (UConn);
Otto Porter (GU);
Gorgui Dieng (LOU);
Russ Smith (LOU);
Jack Cooley (ND);
Bryce Cotton (PC)

@BigEastMBB: All-BIG EAST Second Team:
Sean Kilpatrick (CIN);
Vander Blue (MU);
Jerian Grant (ND);
Michael Carter-Williams (SYR);
C.J. Fair (SYR)

@BigEastMBB: All-BIG EAST Third Team:
Markel Starks (GU);
Peyton Siva (LOU);
Tray Woodall (Pitt);
Brandon Triche (SYR);
JayVaughn Pinkston (VU)

@BigEastMBB: All-BIG EAST Honorable Mention:
Davante Gardner (MU)
Kadeem Batts (PC);
JaKarr Sampson (STJ);
Fuquan Edwin (SHU)

@BigEastMBB: All-Rookie Team:
O. Calhoun (UConn);
D. Smith-Rivera (GU);
S. Adams (Pitt);
C. Obekpa (STJ);
J. Sampson (STJ);

R. Arcidiacono (VU).
 
Hate to point out the truth, but a pretty underwhelming list (and year) for the Big East's last "real" year, imho.
I don't want to be too harsh on the BE though, because this is a pretty underwhelming season all across the country.
 
Congrats to Jakarr and Chris.

I'm curious if this Villanova kid takes roookie of the year over Jakarr
 
I can't see any other freshman being BE ROY than Sampson. That would be a travesty.
 
I can't see any other freshman being BE ROY than Sampson. That would be a travesty.

Agreed.

Arcidiacono has been instrumental in the success of Villanova this season. Plays both point and shooting guard, and he hits big shots. He's probably been the most valuable rookie in the league this year (with regards to winning, anyway).

However, THAT IS NOT WHAT THE AWARD IS FOR. It goes to the rookie who displays the highest level of performance. That has clearly been Jakarr, and it's been that way pretty much all season. Heck, Cleveland Melvin won it 2 years ago, and DePaul finished last. IMO, it should be Jakarr in a landslide.

I also think Obekpa has a shot at defensive player of the year, but they will probably give it to Dieng from Louisville.
 
BIG EAST Defensive Player of the Year
Gorgui Dieng, Louisville

BIG EAST Most Improved Player
Kadeem Batts, Providence
Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse

BIG EAST Sixth Man Award
Davante Gardner, Marquette

BIG EAST Sportsmanship Award
Junior Cadougan, Marquette
 
I can't see any other freshman being BE ROY than Sampson. That would be a travesty.

If Jakarr does get it -- and it sounds like he's a lock -- that'll mean that in his first two recruiting classes, Lavin will have brought in two BE Rookies of the Year: Sampson and Harkless. And neither would have come here if it hadn't been for Lavin. You know how many other times a St. John's player was named ROK since its inception 33 years ago? Once ... David Russell, back in its first season, 1979-80. That's one in 31 years vs. two in 2 years. Hmm. So much for the critics who are bemoaning Lavin's inability to sign anyone so far this year.
 
BIG EAST Defensive Player of the Year
Gorgui Dieng, Louisville

BIG EAST Most Improved Player
Kadeem Batts, Providence
Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse

BIG EAST Sixth Man Award
Davante Gardner, Marquette

BIG EAST Sportsmanship Award
Junior Cadougan, Marquette

I think Obepka got robbed for Defensive Player of the year.
 
BIG EAST Defensive Player of the Year
Gorgui Dieng, Louisville

BIG EAST Most Improved Player
Kadeem Batts, Providence
Michael Carter-Williams, Syracuse

BIG EAST Sixth Man Award
Davante Gardner, Marquette

BIG EAST Sportsmanship Award
Junior Cadougan, Marquette

I think Obepka got robbed for Defensive Player of the year.

Obekpa is similar to Dieng as I said a year ago when I saw Chris play a few times. #'s are near identical from when Dieng was a freshman but Chris had 2 more blocks per game which is great. If Chris can board like he did down the stretch next year he will win Defensive POY next year. 10ppg, 10rpg and 2-3 blocks from Dieng is tough to argue.
 
I can't see any other freshman being BE ROY than Sampson. That would be a travesty.

If Jakarr does get it -- and it sounds like he's a lock -- that'll mean that in his first two recruiting classes, Lavin will have brought in two BE Rookies of the Year: Sampson and Harkless. And neither would have come here if it hadn't been for Lavin. You know how many other times a St. John's player was named ROK since its inception 33 years ago? Once ... David Russell, back in its first season, 1979-80. That's one in 31 years vs. two in 2 years. Hmm. So much for the critics who are bemoaning Lavin's inability to sign anyone so far this year.

That's great but what was our record last year? This year? Where were we ranked? What was our NCAA seed?

It's all well and good to bring in top shelf groceries but you have to know how to cook or it's kind of a waste, don't you think?
 
I can't see any other freshman being BE ROY than Sampson. That would be a travesty.

If Jakarr does get it -- and it sounds like he's a lock -- that'll mean that in his first two recruiting classes, Lavin will have brought in two BE Rookies of the Year: Sampson and Harkless. And neither would have come here if it hadn't been for Lavin. You know how many other times a St. John's player was named ROK since its inception 33 years ago? Once ... David Russell, back in its first season, 1979-80. That's one in 31 years vs. two in 2 years. Hmm. So much for the critics who are bemoaning Lavin's inability to sign anyone so far this year.

That's great but what was our record last year? This year? Where were we ranked? What was our NCAA seed?

It's all well and good to bring in top shelf groceries but you have to know how to cook or it's kind of a waste, don't you think?

I think last year was a write-off. This year was a disappointment, no doubt ... growing pains and all, including the Sanchez ruling (which, as turned out, was not because Lavin took a poor risk, but rather poor judgment by the NCAA). Next year will give us a better idea at how we're doing under Lavin (who, you'll remember, did quite well in his first year with seasonsed upper-classmen). Do you think we would have done better with Seth Greenberg, Herb Sendek, or Mike Rice, or Kevin Willard, or any other of the names that were bouncing around, especially when you consider the cupboard was bare after year one and a complete reloading was needed? I don't.
 
I can't see any other freshman being BE ROY than Sampson. That would be a travesty.

If Jakarr does get it -- and it sounds like he's a lock -- that'll mean that in his first two recruiting classes, Lavin will have brought in two BE Rookies of the Year: Sampson and Harkless. And neither would have come here if it hadn't been for Lavin. You know how many other times a St. John's player was named ROK since its inception 33 years ago? Once ... David Russell, back in its first season, 1979-80. That's one in 31 years vs. two in 2 years. Hmm. So much for the critics who are bemoaning Lavin's inability to sign anyone so far this year.

That's great but what was our record last year? This year? Where were we ranked? What was our NCAA seed?

It's all well and good to bring in top shelf groceries but you have to know how to cook or it's kind of a waste, don't you think?

I think last year was a write-off. This year was a disappointment, no doubt ... growing pains and all, including the Sanchez ruling (which, as turned out, was not because Lavin took a poor risk, but rather poor judgment by the NCAA). Next year will give us a better idea at how we're doing under Lavin (who, you'll remember, did quite well in his first year with seasonsed upper-classmen). Do you think we would have done better with Seth Greenberg, Herb Sendek, or Mike Rice, or Kevin Willard, or any other of the names that were bouncing around, especially when you consider the cupboard was bare after year one and a complete reloading was needed? I don't.

I don't want to continue to derail the thread.... But if Lavin didn't have to totally reload an entire roster, then things would be different. I can say with confidence that Lavin would have us in solid position to dance, if he only had to garner signatures from 2 or 3 kids once he took the job. Other than bringing in a John Calipari-like class of 4 or 5 consensus top 10 players would've made the transition much smoother. Calipari also had a couple of very, highly-rated players, as well as a mature or older player remaining on the roster after bringing in his tremendous haul. Basically, only Calipari could've made the most--in a short time--out of such a situation.

St. John's also isn't in a position (at least, not currently) where they can lose a talent (Harkless) after one season. Most folks expected Harkless to be back until he tore apart Duke, and had Musberger and Vitale (MAINLY, Musberger) slobbering all over him (on national tv) in the process.

Frankly, if it wasn't for some incompetence (NCAA on Sanchez), poor luck (Branch's injuries with his eye and leg), and stubborness (Harrison), then we would be dancing. Heck! I think we're 10-8, if Harrison was still playing. I know it's the "if" game, and I'm one who do not like to play it. But those were things none of us were expecting. Was anyone truly expecting such?

My predictions of the season was initially based on Sanchez and Gift being part of the team. Not to mention, I never factored in Branch missing so, many games due to injury, and Harrison going 'Rambo' on the staff and team (just clowning, folks).

Hopefully, everyone returns, and we're able to bring in Jordan or someone else of significance. Maybe, we get some (good) luck, and things start to really go our way a season from now. It's certainly going to be an important one.
 
I can't see any other freshman being BE ROY than Sampson. That would be a travesty.

If Jakarr does get it -- and it sounds like he's a lock -- that'll mean that in his first two recruiting classes, Lavin will have brought in two BE Rookies of the Year: Sampson and Harkless. And neither would have come here if it hadn't been for Lavin. You know how many other times a St. John's player was named ROK since its inception 33 years ago? Once ... David Russell, back in its first season, 1979-80. That's one in 31 years vs. two in 2 years. Hmm. So much for the critics who are bemoaning Lavin's inability to sign anyone so far this year.

That's great but what was our record last year? This year? Where were we ranked? What was our NCAA seed?

It's all well and good to bring in top shelf groceries but you have to know how to cook or it's kind of a waste, don't you think?

I think last year was a write-off. This year was a disappointment, no doubt ... growing pains and all, including the Sanchez ruling (which, as turned out, was not because Lavin took a poor risk, but rather poor judgment by the NCAA). Next year will give us a better idea at how we're doing under Lavin (who, you'll remember, did quite well in his first year with seasonsed upper-classmen). Do you think we would have done better with Seth Greenberg, Herb Sendek, or Mike Rice, or Kevin Willard, or any other of the names that were bouncing around, especially when you consider the cupboard was bare after year one and a complete reloading was needed? I don't.

I don't want to continue to derail the thread.... But if Lavin didn't have to totally reload an entire roster, then things would be different. I can say with confidence that Lavin would have us in solid position to dance, if he only had to garner signatures from 2 or 3 kids once he took the job. Other than bringing in a John Calipari-like class of 4 or 5 consensus top 10 players would've made the transition much smoother. Calipari also had a couple of very, highly-rated players, as well as a mature or older player remaining on the roster after bringing in his tremendous haul. Basically, only Calipari could've made the most--in a short time--out of such a situation.

St. John's also isn't in a position (at least, not currently) where they can lose a talent (Harkless) after one season. Most folks expected Harkless to be back until he tore apart Duke, and had Musberger and Vitale (MAINLY, Musberger) slobbering all over him (on national tv) in the process.

Frankly, if it wasn't for some incompetence (NCAA on Sanchez), poor luck (Branch's injuries with his eye and leg), and stubborness (Harrison), then we would be dancing. Heck! I think we're 10-8, if Harrison was still playing. I know it's the "if" game, and I'm one who do not like to play it. But those were things none of us were expecting. Was anyone truly expecting such?

My predictions of the season was initially based on Sanchez and Gift being part of the team. Not to mention, I never factored in Branch missing so, many games due to injury, and Harrison going 'Rambo' on the staff and team (just clowning, folks).

Hopefully, everyone returns, and we're able to bring in Jordan or someone else of significance. Maybe, we get some (good) luck, and things start to really go our way a season from now. It's certainly going to be an important one.

While I agree with much of hat you stated, consider this. Lavin did have the luxury of signing only 2 to 3 players this year, and to date, he has lost out on all of them. On a team that was desperate for an inside presence, we lost out on Jermane Lawrence, Jarrell Martin and Ismail Wainwright. Also, it was Lavins decision to red shirt Gift, one that I and many fans writers etc. consider to be a grave miscalculation. I believe that Gift would have been the difference between dancing ( with him ) and not ( without ).

So while Lavin has certainly given a shot in the arm to a floundering program, he is certainly somewhat accountable for the level of performance we never reached.
 
I don't want to continue to derail the thread.... But if Lavin didn't have to totally reload an entire roster, then things would be different. I can say with confidence that Lavin would have us in solid position to dance, if he only had to garner signatures from 2 or 3 kids once he took the job. Other than bringing in a John Calipari-like class of 4 or 5 consensus top 10 players would've made the transition much smoother. Calipari also had a couple of very, highly-rated players, as well as a mature or older player remaining on the roster after bringing in his tremendous haul. Basically, only Calipari could've made the most--in a short time--out of such a situation.

St. John's also isn't in a position (at least, not currently) where they can lose a talent (Harkless) after one season. Most folks expected Harkless to be back until he tore apart Duke, and had Musberger and Vitale (MAINLY, Musberger) slobbering all over him (on national tv) in the process.

Frankly, if it wasn't for some incompetence (NCAA on Sanchez), poor luck (Branch's injuries with his eye and leg), and stubborness (Harrison), then we would be dancing. Heck! I think we're 10-8, if Harrison was still playing. I know it's the "if" game, and I'm one who do not like to play it. But those were things none of us were expecting. Was anyone truly expecting such?

My predictions of the season was initially based on Sanchez and Gift being part of the team. Not to mention, I never factored in Branch missing so, many games due to injury, and Harrison going 'Rambo' on the staff and team (just clowning, folks).

Hopefully, everyone returns, and we're able to bring in Jordan or someone else of significance. Maybe, we get some (good) luck, and things start to really go our way a season from now. It's certainly going to be an important one.

While I agree with much of hat you stated, consider this. Lavin did have the luxury of signing only 2 to 3 players this year, and to date, he has lost out on all of them. On a team that was desperate for an inside presence, we lost out on Jermane Lawrence, Jarrell Martin and Ismail Wainwright. Also, it was Lavins decision to red shirt Gift, one that I and many fans writers etc. consider to be a grave miscalculation. I believe that Gift would have been the difference between dancing ( with him ) and not ( without ).

He didn't have the luxury of signing those 2 or 3 players when he first took the job, which was my point. He's still building the roster because of having to bring in an entire roster from the jump. Of course, he had the luxury of bringing in a couple of players from the 2013 class, but that is irrelevant to my initial point.

Martin wasn't gonna come here, so it was good to even see him have us listed so late in the game. I was a bit surprised about Wainwright, as I thought he would end up here. I wasn't surprised about Lawrence, considering his situation. Nevertheless, we lost out on him.

I also didn't like to see Gift sit out this season, as I thought he could've helped us. But if you think Gift was the difference between us dancing and not dancing, then this is where I'll disagree. I don't think I can confidently say such. If you had said Sanchez, then I'd probably agree.

So while Lavin has certainly given a shot in the arm to a floundering program, he is certainly somewhat accountable for the level of performance we never reached.

Sure, he is accountable for the situation. But considering he had to go out and garner an entire roster didn't help matters, either. What is the level we never reached? Giving up on him already, Linda?

He took a team who had never experienced any form of winning to a 3rd place finish and the NCAA Tournament. He was out last season due to illness, and some shoddy luck (Sanchez, Branch, and Harrison) and miscalculation (Gift) set us a bit back this season.

I'll give him 4 or 5 years, like most coaches deserves.
 
when is the rookie of the year award announced?

Tomorrow.

And should be interesting to see if Arciadiacano tries to out duel Jakarr on Wednesday night when we play Nova. It can go either way because he is a gunner and a streaky kid. He can either light us up or he can shoot blanks. It's up to Lavin to see how he adjusts from that first loss.

We are a totally different beast when we play man-to-man. It is more in tune with our players' natural abilities.

If we start the game off in the matchup zone, I'll cringe.
 
So, does him winning ROY add to the possibility of him jumping to the draft?

Does him NOT winning ROY add to the decision of him staying?

If so, I'm pulling for the kid on 'Nova to win.

Just saying.
 
I don't want to continue to derail the thread.... But if Lavin didn't have to totally reload an entire roster, then things would be different. I can say with confidence that Lavin would have us in solid position to dance, if he only had to garner signatures from 2 or 3 kids once he took the job. Other than bringing in a John Calipari-like class of 4 or 5 consensus top 10 players would've made the transition much smoother. Calipari also had a couple of very, highly-rated players, as well as a mature or older player remaining on the roster after bringing in his tremendous haul. Basically, only Calipari could've made the most--in a short time--out of such a situation.

St. John's also isn't in a position (at least, not currently) where they can lose a talent (Harkless) after one season. Most folks expected Harkless to be back until he tore apart Duke, and had Musberger and Vitale (MAINLY, Musberger) slobbering all over him (on national tv) in the process.

Frankly, if it wasn't for some incompetence (NCAA on Sanchez), poor luck (Branch's injuries with his eye and leg), and stubborness (Harrison), then we would be dancing. Heck! I think we're 10-8, if Harrison was still playing. I know it's the "if" game, and I'm one who do not like to play it. But those were things none of us were expecting. Was anyone truly expecting such?

My predictions of the season was initially based on Sanchez and Gift being part of the team. Not to mention, I never factored in Branch missing so, many games due to injury, and Harrison going 'Rambo' on the staff and team (just clowning, folks).

Hopefully, everyone returns, and we're able to bring in Jordan or someone else of significance. Maybe, we get some (good) luck, and things start to really go our way a season from now. It's certainly going to be an important one.

While I agree with much of hat you stated, consider this. Lavin did have the luxury of signing only 2 to 3 players this year, and to date, he has lost out on all of them. On a team that was desperate for an inside presence, we lost out on Jermane Lawrence, Jarrell Martin and Ismail Wainwright. Also, it was Lavins decision to red shirt Gift, one that I and many fans writers etc. consider to be a grave miscalculation. I believe that Gift would have been the difference between dancing ( with him ) and not ( without ).

He didn't have the luxury of signing those 2 or 3 players when he first took the job, which was my point. He's still building the roster because of having to bring in an entire roster from the jump. Of course, he had the luxury of bringing in a couple of players from the 2013 class, but that is irrelevant to my initial point.

Martin wasn't gonna come here, so it was good to even see him have us listed so late in the game. I was a bit surprised about Wainwright, as I thought he would end up here. I wasn't surprised about Lawrence, considering his situation. Nevertheless, we lost out on him.

I also didn't like to see Gift sit out this season, as I thought he could've helped us. But if you think Gift was the difference between us dancing and not dancing, then this is where I'll disagree. I don't think I can confidently say such. If you had said Sanchez, then I'd probably agree.

So while Lavin has certainly given a shot in the arm to a floundering program, he is certainly somewhat accountable for the level of performance we never reached.

Sure, he is accountable for the situation. But considering he had to go out and garner an entire roster didn't help matters, either. What is the level we never reached? Giving up on him already, Linda?

He took a team who had never experienced any form of winning to a 3rd place finish and the NCAA Tournament. He was out last season due to illness, and some shoddy luck (Sanchez, Branch, and Harrison) and miscalculation (Gift) set us a bit back this season.

I'll give him 4 or 5 years, like most coaches deserves.

Linda? Not giving up on him at all, was just upset with him red shirting Gift. And if you consider some of the close games we have been in and lost, Marquette most recently, we got beat on the offensive glass for several put backs. If we only got a couple of more rebounds that would have stopped a put back here or there, I am sure we would have won a few more of those games. So yes, a few more wins would have made the difference between making the tourney or not.

In terms of recruiting, I don't think that even the most ardent fans would consider this years recruited class even marginally successful. Just hoping there is some front court player somewhere that may surface. After all we are like 290th in D1 in rebounding differential.
 
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