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Rencher transferred from Notre Dame, and Carter was reunited with his HS teammate Wayne McKoy.
Can anyone recall Renchers backcourt mate at ND from MAter Christi? Was it Roy Beekman.
12 Greatest Players In St. John's History
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Rencher transferred from Notre Dame, and Carter was reunited with his HS teammate Wayne McKoy.
Can anyone recall Renchers backcourt mate at ND from MAter Christi? Was it Roy Beekman.
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Yea, that's it!
Kevin Loughery was, if I recall correctly, a transfer from Boston College and was a fine player at St. Johns. He played in my time at the school and was a graduate, like me, of Cardinal Hayes. Not many Hayes or Bronx guys went to St. John's
Kevin made a serious and memorable contribution to two solid 20 win seasons at StJ. He was big (6'3") which was monstrous at the time for a guard, He was great at setting up Leroy who could be in my all time favorite top 15 and he was a scorer. Those teams were super with Tony Jackson and Leroy but they didn't deliver in the post season. Billy Packer, yes the same one, outplayed Kevin in our one and out against Wake Forest in the previously last NCAA tourney game ever played in MSG in '61. In Kevin's senior year, we lost in the semis of the NIT to a tall Dayton team. With big stars like Ellis and Jackson it was hard to stand out but Kevin was a fine player on very good teams that didn't produce in post season. For that reason he doesn't make the top12 but he is up there.
Post StJ he was a very valuable and exciting player, coach, manager and executive.
How about the real old guys like Hy Gotkin and Dutch Garfinkle who put StJ on the map in NYC Metro, which was the only place on earth that basketball really mattered in their time and, I would shout out for Kenny McIntyre as a top ten who not only the "owned " the Garden, he won the big games almost always.
Kevin made a serious and memorable contribution to two solid 20 win seasons at StJ. He was big (6'3") which was monstrous at the time for a guard, He was great at setting up Leroy who could be in my all time favorite top 15 and he was a scorer. Those teams were super with Tony Jackson and Leroy but they didn't deliver in the post season. Billy Packer, yes the same one, outplayed Kevin in our one and out against Wake Forest in the previously last NCAA tourney game ever played in MSG in '61. In Kevin's senior year, we lost in the semis of the NIT to a tall Dayton team. With big stars like Ellis and Jackson it was hard to stand out but Kevin was a fine player on very good teams that didn't produce in post season. For that reason he doesn't make the top12 but he is up there.
Post StJ he was a very valuable and exciting player, coach, manager and executive.
How about the real old guys like Hy Gotkin and Dutch Garfinkle who put StJ on the map in NYC Metro, which was the only place on earth that basketball really mattered in their time and, I would shout out for Kenny McIntyre as a top ten who not only the "owned " the Garden, he won the big games almost always.
If you asked me who you would take if given a choice to win a big game, I'd go with Hatten. That guy won a lot of big games for us with a very poor supporting cast. He often did so with huge plays at the end. Duke, Texas Tech come to mind. He even beat a UConn team with Ben Gordon and Caron Butler on it.
Harrison although great in his own right has not had as much success in big games at crunch time.
Marcus just had that ability to take over a game when it mattered most. Lots of guys can score but the best players do it when everyone knows you are getting the ball.
I liked Hatten and it would never be my intension to talk anyone off him. I thought he played the lanes and went defense to offense real well. On the ball shut down defender I wish I could remember, Anyone? Marcus was a 2 guard who had to play with the ball in his hands. He pretty much had to have it to get anything done. Harrison has scored and gotten to the line receiving a pass or controlling the ball. I feel a team without much talent was the place Marcus could be most effective. Harrison has become a better player as the talent level around him has improved. It's to bad we never got to see how Cook and Hatten would have worked.
While the argument against Hatten is always "he didnt shoot a high percentage" he also didnt have the luxury of being surrounded by the talent Harrison has had.
When you take a look at all around game, in particular, defense, Hatten was far superior to Harrison in that area - he was top 3 in the country in steals, great on the ball and off the ball defender.
Also, Hatten was a more prolific scorer - single handedly winning games for SJU, theone that i realy remember was coming back from 16 down at GTown in 2003 where he dropped 34 points - completely unstoppable....he was more versatile due to his athleticism which allowe d him to drive to the hoop more, whereas Harrison is more of a shooter (you will never see Hatten take a pull up three pointer on a fast break like Harrison does).
Lastly, with way less talent around him Hatten's two teams have accomplished more than any two teams Harrison was on (jury still out this year) and although i hold no depth and weight in winning an NIT, it is still better than being run out of your own gym in round 1 vs Robert Morris or a second round loss to UVA. And Hatten has an NCAA Tournament appearance, which we may get this year....but to me Hatten was a better player and that is nothing against Harrison who is great in his own right but having watched a lot of each of them i would take Hatten.
Agree to disagree.