12 Greatest Players In St. John's History
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Avon Barksdale
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While the argument against Hatten is always "he didnt shoot a high percentage" he also didnt have the luxury of being surrounded by the talent Harrison has had.
When you take a look at all around game, in particular, defense, Hatten was far superior to Harrison in that area - he was top 3 in the country in steals, great on the ball and off the ball defender.
Also, Hatten was a more prolific scorer - single handedly winning games for SJU, theone that i realy remember was coming back from 16 down at GTown in 2003 where he dropped 34 points - completely unstoppable....he was more versatile due to his athleticism which allowe d him to drive to the hoop more, whereas Harrison is more of a shooter (you will never see Hatten take a pull up three pointer on a fast break like Harrison does).
Lastly, with way less talent around him Hatten's two teams have accomplished more than any two teams Harrison was on (jury still out this year) and although i hold no depth and weight in winning an NIT, it is still better than being run out of your own gym in round 1 vs Robert Morris or a second round loss to UVA. And Hatten has an NCAA Tournament appearance, which we may get this year....but to me Hatten was a better player and that is nothing against Harrison who is great in his own right but having watched a lot of each of them i would take Hatten.
Agree to disagree.
It's fair. We can disagree. Keep in mind, historically on mediocre or worse teams the guy who is asked to carry the load would never score like that on a good team. For the most part I don't like guards who score but can't shoot well, but that's a preference.
"mediocre to worse" teams - are you referencing Harrison's teams or Hatten's teams?
Hatten's teams were more successful than Harrison's.....
tom in salem
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Rob Werdann's stats are probably just as impressive and that's even including his injury plagued senior season.
While he probably was best known for his coaching, Loughery was one of the finest SG's in SJ history. I don't have stats in front of me, but I'm sure his percentages are up there with our best. I remember him to be an "ice man" at the foul stripe. There was a game at CA against Miami with Rick Barry (I think). We were down to the wire trailing by one and Loughery had the ball. He seemingly dribbled lazily around the key and with the game clock almost at zero launched a jumper that won the game.
That's why these "greatest" type lists are always troublesome to me, because they rarely take into account the value an individual player contributed.
Hatten was better when he took control and played lead guard. DLo excelled within the confines of a 2 guard and never loses awareness that he is not alone on the floor. His creative passing, rebounding, defense are all exceptional and I've aways been very impressed with his knowledge of the game. How he got that good against the competition he was playing is amazing. I truly hope somebody in the league realizes how good he really is. Screw the stopwatches and rulers and let the guy do his thing.for the paying customers. He is a fanpleaser and is good for the game.
we are sju
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I thought you were going to complain that Sean Evans was excluded from the list
beast of the east
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Wow! I agree with Bobre.
Reggie Carter was very good also, He transferred home from Hawaii University and didn't play all four years but that team with Carter, Rencher, Plair, Gilroy and Wayne McCoy was an excellent team. I think they were ranked 8th in the country.
Hatten vs Harrison: I'll wait to see what DH does in the Tourney this year for final consideration but here is my thinking: Initial impression is that Hatten is the bigger impact player and better defender. Although it is not exactly apples to apples because I think DH is more versatile as a defender. I don't think that Hatten could have legitimately defended in the post against huge guys, as DH has done. Also DH spent considerable time getting double and tripled so I don't think you can claim that Hatten had it tougher and his assist numbers support that.
Hatten was one of the greatest improvisors ever but what would Hatten do on a team that required coaching and teamwork? I don't know. Seems to me that DH has a total brain fart against G'town (superstition or whatever) and he's a senior that should be bigger and wiser than that and he's got one game left to remedy that and the rest of the season and Tourney to make the final case.
Hatten was one of the greatest improvisors ever but what would Hatten do on a team that required coaching and teamwork? I don't know. Seems to me that DH has a total brain fart against G'town (superstition or whatever) and he's a senior that should be bigger and wiser than that and he's got one game left to remedy that and the rest of the season and Tourney to make the final case.
I don't think it's either/or between Hatten and Harrison. I've seen virtually every game both played and they brought/bring different strengths to the court. Both were/are good, borderline great college players. I can imagine circumstances and teams where one would be preferable to the other.
That said, I'm pretty clear on the kind of leader Harrison is. I have no idea about Hatten in that regard. That might be the tie breaker.
That said, I'm pretty clear on the kind of leader Harrison is. I have no idea about Hatten in that regard. That might be the tie breaker.